The tory jackboot strikes again..

[jucyberry]

So , there we have it.. maggies devil spawn and his new idea for the new millenium..last century that woman took valuable housing stock out of circulation by encouraging people to buy, Now that thing in number 10 seems to be intent on removing the one small piece of security the poorer members of society have.. their homes.

How many pensioners will have watched him oozing over the screen tonight and seen oblique threat to remove them from their homes... Because oh the crime of it, they are old...

Or because maybe, just maybe a family has been lucky enough to have a change for the good in earnings...

What part of this is my home don't the tories get? surely the very fact that there is still over two million council houses left might tell him that these two million cannot f**king afford to buy?

and how are they going to know that life is on the up? are they going to demand to see bank statements to prove we  the council tennants are still part of the poor and undeserving?

So, he is saying that this will only apply to new tennant, what a load of bullshit.. when has a tory ever meant what it said, or said what it means? If this goes through you watch, People like my mother will be bullied out of the home she has been in for nearly sixty years.. that she has paid rent on... Ohhhhhhh I am so mad I could scream right now.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Rigoglioso wrote:

jucyberry wrote:

So , there we have it.. maggies devil spawn.

Be still my aching sides!

You're young cocker. You're not old enough to remember. Some of us here are and do.

[Boomstick]

BillyStubbsTears wrote:

Rigoglioso wrote:

jucyberry wrote:

So , there we have it.. maggies devil spawn.

Be still my aching sides!

You're young cocker. You're not old enough to remember. Some of us here are and do.

Change the f**king record old man

[BillyStubbsTears]

Let no-one say the art of sophisticated political rhetoric is dead eh?

[Boomstick]

jucyberry wrote:

So , there we have it.. maggies devil spawn and his new idea for the new millenium..last century that woman took valuable housing stock out of circulation by encouraging people to buy, Now that thing in number 10 seems to be intent on removing the one small piece of security the poorer members of society have.. their homes.

How many pensioners will have watched him oozing over the screen tonight and seen oblique threat to remove them from their homes... Because oh the crime of it, they are old...

Or because maybe, just maybe a family has been lucky enough to have a change for the good in earnings...

What part of this is my home don't the tories get? surely the very fact that there is still over two million council houses left might tell him that these two million cannot fcuking afford to buy?

and how are they going to know that life is on the up? are they going to demand to see bank statements to prove we  the council tennants are still part of the poor and undeserving?

So, he is saying that this will only apply to new tennant, what a load of bullshit.. when has a tory ever meant what it said, or said what it means? If this goes through you watch, People like my mother will be bullied out of the home she has been in for nearly sixty years.. that she has paid rent on... Ohhhhhhh I am so mad I could scream right now.

There is one word there that screams out. TENNANT. Not owner. If a family works hard and gets in a better financial position then well done, the council house did its job, now give it to the next worthy TENNANT.

[not on facebook]

i must get this off me chest when i left school apprenticships
were like gold dust and jobs were as rare as rocking horse shite.

at school you had appointments with a officer who would addvice
how to apply for a job,the thing the moslty drummed into you was first impressions and it was a upmost to wear slacks,shoes,shirt,tie for any interview

look smart

after leaving school i soon was voting for the first time and
did not know that much about politics,all i did know was 'first impressions' count as that was drummed into me at school.

so it came to my vote the choice was conserative or labour,libs
were never in the race goinmg on media etc etc.

the conservatives all were wearing suits with a blue scheme of shirts and ties and nice shoes,they looked the part.

then there was labour,when i say labour 'micheal foot'
fcuk me i had seen better turned out scousers.

i could not get me head round it after what had been drummed into me at school,labour wanted my vote to put a scruff bag
running the ship.

i voted for conservative without really looking into either partys policys just went on first impressions.

but for sure i never voted again for any party as allways a case of to evils

[Dagenham Rover]

Ok your Mums 85 your 67 pretty reasonable I would say, Mum dies youve never married and always lived at home you're out on your arse sunshine, it occasionally happens now, it'll happen a damn site more often

Hmmmnn I know who I think  needs to get a life.........

However thats not to  say there aren't some abuse's to the present system. oh and by the way many economists say the deficit the government is trying so hard to get rid of would have been halved by 2014  by doing..... absolutly nothing carrying on as was.
Is there a Western Country that does not have a deficit?

Shame memories are not passed down the line genetically  

[jucyberry]

Reality check...In general tennants who do well generally buy with this right to buy scheme., they don't move on, and around here I dont think  I know of anyone who has got a good job yet stayed a tennant...

Tennants need homes too you know. I guess the average tennant should leave their home and go live under a bush freeing up these 2 million houses...Where are they supposed to go? Perhaps that magical place in tory land where there are all these jobs just waiting to be filled in the big shake up to come.

I am sorry if that sounds a trifle immature, but I might be a TENNANT, but this is my home.

and at the risk of being pendantic, as mr Frost has already questioned in a lower thread, how can people who havent got big deposits or spotless financial records ever supposed to take this leap into the unknown?

So I ask again are these people expected to squat under a bush?

[Nudga]

I like squating under a bush but i'm probably on the wrong forum for that one.

[BillyStubbsTears]

oslorovers wrote:

i must get this off me chest when i left school apprenticships
were like gold dust and jobs were as rare as rocking horse shite.

at school you had appointments with a officer who would addvice
how to apply for a job,the thing the moslty drummed into you was first impressions and it was a upmost to wear slacks,shoes,shirt,tie for any interview

look smart

after leaving school i soon was voting for the first time and
did not know that much about politics,all i did know was 'first impressions' count as that was drummed into me at school.

so it came to my vote the choice was conserative or labour,libs
were never in the race goinmg on media etc etc.

the conservatives all were wearing suits with a blue scheme of shirts and ties and nice shoes,they looked the part.

then there was labour,when i say labour 'micheal foot'
fcuk me i had seen better turned out scousers.

i could not get me head round it after what had been drummed into me at school,labour wanted my vote to put a scruff bag
running the ship.

i voted for conservative without really looking into either partys policys just went on first impressions.

but for sure i never voted again for any party as allways a case of to evils

And THAT, Oslo, is a prime example of the turning point, when folk stopped engaging with issues in politics and started idly being told what to do by the Tabloid press.

1. Michael Foot was one of THE finest, most intelligent and most honorable political men of his, or any other generation. He was one of very, very few UK politicians who had actively campaigned against Hitler in the mid 1930s. As a young rising politician, he put his political career at risk by aggressively speaking out against the policy that the Tory Government were following, of appeasing Hitler and giving him what he wanted. Who was right there, eh?

2. The infamous \"Donkey Jacket\" issue, when he (according to legend) turned up at the Cenotaph on Remembrance Sunday wearing labourer's gear is a total fabrication by The Sun and their like. He was wearing a suit and tie and a big overcoat in the cold weather. As if it f**king well mattered anyway. But he was an old man. He had wild hair. He wasn't well groomed. He was an easy target for idle t**ts to laugh at when directed to do so by The Sun.

You want to choose your politicians on how well they dress? Well you've got the sort of leader you deserve now in Nick Clegg - he scrubs up well and looks honest on telly. And he's a total non-entity at the highest level of politics, intellectually and by experience.

3. Thank f**k we didn't have this press running the country during WWII. Winston Churchill was generally half-cut and looked like he'd been buggered by a big dog while being dragged through a hedge backwards. If The Sun had been in charge back then, we'd have had some well groomed non-entity in charge instead.

[Ian H]

Quite bizarre idea  - So much Council housing has been lost in recent years through Right to Buy, perhaps it is time a think about reversing that idea then consider a new building programme ...... not all these tenants will be expecting to progress into better jobs and to rent in the private sector.

Security of tenure must be protected ...... has that been \"promised\" ?

[MrFrost]

Forgive my ignorance, but what exactly has been proposed?

[BillyStubbsTears]

MrFrost wrote:

Forgive my ignorance

You're forgiven. Can we ask you to keep schtum as part of that deal?

[Clarkz]

Did anybody honestly expect anything else by voting in the Tories? They'll always look after those with money, they'll always favour the upper classes. When talk was of the Conservatives getting into power I marvelled at how long these peoples memories had lasted. So they attempt to ease the pain of the opposing voters by making sure the Lib Dems are in the coalition; Nick Clegg is being used as the monkey to Cameron's organ grinder and we all saw it coming to one degree or another.

However, that being said and done. They say you don't know how good you've got it until it's taken away from you. Labour for the next election? I think the way things are already turning, I'd think it to be likely. Furthermore, I hope it happens before we're plunged back into the class war.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Clarkz wrote:

Did anybody honestly expect anything else by voting in the Tories? They'll always look after those with money, they'll always favour the upper classes. When talk was of the Conservatives getting into power I marvelled at how long these peoples memories had lasted. So they attempt to ease the pain of the opposing voters by making sure the Lib Dems are in the coalition; Nick Clegg is being used as the monkey to Cameron's organ grinder and we all saw it coming to one degree or another.

However, that being said and done. They say you don't know how good you've got it until it's taken away from you. Labour for the next election? I think the way things are already turning, I'd think it to be likely. Furthermore, I hope it happens before we're plunged back into the class war.

We're back IN the Class War already. Just like we always are when this lot are in power.

They've cut the funding for 22 school refurbishments in Donny. Which will cut building jobs in the area as well as meaning that Donny kids will be taught in Portakabins. They've cut funding for world-leading manufacturing in Sheffield.

Yet today, they announced that they will set up a commission to ensure that farmers get a \"fair\" price from the supermarkets for their produce.

Funny int it? The pits had to prove that they were able to survive in a competitive market, or were shut down and to f**king hell with the consequences for folk round here. But when that same competitive market means that farmers start to suffer, the market must be wrong and should be correct by a Government commission.

Same old Tories. Always looking after their own.

[not on facebook]

BST think you need to re read me post again before you jump all over us like a rash,the parts that go

'first impressions' was drummed into us

'was my first vote' hence wet behind the ears a tad green.

'my lack of political knowlodge'

thinking about it it was just not mr foot that was badly turned
out as the whole of the labour party was a rite mixed bag of odds and ends,just did not look professional.

if the labour party had been suited and booted like the conservatives, then i guess i would have took me vote a lot more serious.

[BillyStubbsTears]

oslorovers wrote:

thinking about it it was just not mr foot that was badly turned
out as the whole of the labour party was a rite mixed bag of odds and ends,just did not look professional.

if the labour party had been suited and booted like the conservatives, then i guess i would have took me vote a lot more serious.

You're not really selling this one to me Oslo. We're from the same generation. I also came of age around that time. But I f**king well did NOT vote for the Tories because they had nice ties. I voted against them because I looked at what they did to the area that I love.

Tell me why the Labour Party's policies didn't appeal to you at the time and I'm more than happy to accept that.

Tell me that you made your decision on the quality of the shoes the politicians were wearing, and I'm leaning towards the Chinese approach, where they think we are f**king stupid for giving the vote to people who have no concept of political issues.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Rigoglioso wrote:

I do find it amusing, BST, how you think everyone who doesn't vote Labour or
like Labour's policies is either uneducated or doesn't understand politics!

Not at all pal. Some of the most intelligent people I've ever met have been Tory voters. But they understood exactly what it was that the Tory party was wanting to achieve. What I despair of is people who choose their political allegiance with little understanding of the poltical philosophy or history underpinning the party they vote for.

I've yet to read anything you've written on here that gives any indication that you are in the first category. Prove me wrong.

[Mike_F]

BillyStubbsTears wrote:They've cut the funding for 22 school refurbishments in Donny. Which will cut building jobs in the area as well as meaning that Donny kids will be taught in Portakabins. They've cut funding for world-leading manufacturing in Sheffield.[/quote]

The redevelopment of schools was a great time-bomb left behind by Labour to make sure the new government would be scuppered by public opinion form the outset. When their own ministers leave messages for the newcomers saying \"Sorry, there's no money left\" it makes me wonder how THEY would have funded these ambitious projects. Likewise the Forgemasters loan, which would surely hae been kept on if there was any profit to be made for the exchequer. Without looking at tie books I can only assume that the plug was pulled because it was another sub-prime risk of the ilk that got us into the mire in the first place.

By the way, 1. I don't blame Labour for the tricks, they are in the business of party politics and they have damaged a competitor; 2. I wuold be saying the same thing if it had been an outgoing Tory government leaving these untenable promises hanging. I was rather hoping that a coalition would lead to a blunting of the party political edge and a subsequent focus on what's best for the country rather than the party. So far I've been disappointed.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Mike_F wrote:

When their own ministers leave messages for the newcomers saying \"Sorry, there's no money left\"

That's going to go down as one of the out-of-context quotes of history int it?

It was a tongue-in-cheek comment left by the Chief Secretary to the Treasury to his successor. It is precisely what the CST is supposed to say to all the other Departments when they ask for bigger funds.

Quite typical of this incoming bunch that they seize on this and publicise it as some sort of \"confession\".

As for what Labour would have done, they had already announced a pretty drastic cut in public expenditure. Labour's proposed cutbacks were at about the rate of reduction that you would normally expect in our economy as we come out of recession. What this lot have done is to stick 50% MORE cuts on top of that. Purely for ideological reasons. Because they strongly and violently disagree with the state being involved in the economy and society. Which, when we come round full circle, is the reason they want to squeeze people out of council housing. Because, for ideological reasons, they believe that the state should not provide housing for any bu the most destitute (which they will define).

And by the way, the last thing Labour has done id to \"damage a competitor\". If they'd REALLY wanted to damage the incoming Tory Govt, they'd have taken on the policies that Cameron and Osbourne wanted in 2008, cutting back Govt spending just as we were tipping in a horrific recession, and not bailing out the banks. Then Cameron's mob really WOULD have had a shit tip to dig us out of. As it is, Labour's management of the recession has left us well placed to emerge with strong growth, as the latest growth figure show.

[not on facebook]

BST i did not take the time to look at ANY of the 3
partys policys,as i said i was NOT into politics AT ALL.

i just left school and FIRST IMPRESSIONS was drummed into me
by the job officer at school when having interviews.

i did not even read the newspapers,only the back pages for the sport,saw ALL party members via the tv and as i said i went on
FIRST IMPRESSIONS.

when it came to me vote i knew doncaster was staunch labour,me olde man told us bascially.

went into the booth at local school and was in there for a few mins fealing nervous as never voted before and was in two minds.

LABOUR, due to me dads pet talks,but alarm bells in me body was ringing due to way they was turned out and mr foot with his unkept hair and brown duffel coat,i could not picture that FIRST IMPRESSION running the country.

CONSERVATIVES,for me they looked the part FIRST IMPRESSIONS,
where shall i put me X,thinking what me old man had said i was going towards labour but then FIRST IMPRESSIONS kicked in
and i went with conservative,FOR THAT REASON ONLY.

i never voted since for my thinking on whatever party got in,and i never complained about what party got in and their
policys just let them get on with it.....if you dont vote you
cant complain i belive.

can you now smell the coffee BST?

[BillyStubbsTears]

oslorovers wrote:

BST i did not take the time to look at ANY of the 3
partys policys,as i said i was NOT into politics AT ALL.

i just left school and FIRST IMPRESSIONS was drummed into me
by the job officer at school when having interviews.

i did not even read the newspapers,only the back pages for the sport,saw ALL party members via the tv and as i said i went on
FIRST IMPRESSIONS.

when it came to me vote i knew doncaster was staunch labour,me olde man told us bascially.

went into the booth at local school and was in there for a few mins fealing nervous as never voted before and was in two minds.

LABOUR, due to me dads pet talks,but alarm bells in me body was ringing due to way they was turned out and mr foot with his unkept hair and brown duffel coat,i could not picture that FIRST IMPRESSION running the country.

CONSERVATIVES,for me they looked the part FIRST IMPRESSIONS,
where shall i put me X,thinking what me old man had said i was going towards labour but then FIRST IMPRESSIONS kicked in
and i went with conservative,FOR THAT REASON ONLY.

i never voted since for my thinking on whatever party got in,and i never complained about what party got in and their
policys just let them get on with it.....if you dont vote you
cant complain i belive.
can you now smell the coffee BST?

Oslo. You're still saying nothing to convince me that the Chinese aren't right.

[not on facebook]

well BST i could be like ANY politician form the past or
future and try my best to pull some wool over yer eyes
and tell you whatyou want to hear or what i want you to belive

but if iam honest with yers fella i have n'owt to hide or  gain form telling you any different from 'how it was for me'.

as i said politics is not me strong point,so may i ask what part do the chinese play in this? you have lost me on that one.

iam trying to think why a below middle of the road school leaver,was not worried about lack of work oppertunitys,me old man did all that worrying for us,as in me would take a great interest in politics

when in the borough of doncaster there was beer,fanny and rovers

its obvious which road i took wrong or right

[BillyStubbsTears]

The Chinese believe that choosing your political leaders is a far too important job to leave to people who have no interest in or connection with the whole issue. Maybe they are right?

I fail to see why there was a choice to make between ale/women and being politically aware. You think I made a choice to be interested in one and not the other?

[Filo]

jucyberry wrote:

So , there we have it.. maggies devil spawn and his new idea for the new millenium..last century that woman took valuable housing stock out of circulation by encouraging people to buy, Now that thing in number 10 seems to be intent on removing the one small piece of security the poorer members of society have.. their homes.

How many pensioners will have watched him oozing over the screen tonight and seen oblique threat to remove them from their homes... Because oh the crime of it, they are old...

Or because maybe, just maybe a family has been lucky enough to have a change for the good in earnings...

What part of this is my home don't the tories get? surely the very fact that there is still over two million council houses left might tell him that these two million cannot fcuking afford to buy?

and how are they going to know that life is on the up? are they going to demand to see bank statements to prove we  the council tennants are still part of the poor and undeserving?

So, he is saying that this will only apply to new tennant, what a load of bullshit.. when has a tory ever meant what it said, or said what it means? If this goes through you watch, People like my mother will be bullied out of the home she has been in for nearly sixty years.. that she has paid rent on... Ohhhhhhh I am so mad I could scream right now.

Cameron is only pissed off because he`s only got a short Tenure in his council house in Downing Street, maybe he should move out of there seeing as he`s got a decent job and give No. 10 up to someone more needy  

[not on facebook]

BST i was far from trying to second guess what choice you took
on leaving school ale/women or political awareness.

only trying to point out my total lack in political awareness
or interest in politics when i left school.

if i had took politics far more serious i would have put a lot
more thought into my first vote,of which its would be fair to say it would not have been my last vote.

iam only trying to get across to you 'how it was for me' of which you seem to be having  slight problems taking them FACTS on board.

its starting to hit me that maybe you are trying a bit of
'FISHING' whilst not having a liecence is the only deffence i can come up with for yers.



if the case must point out i have very broad shoulders and thick skinned to suit,cast elsewhere fella no bites round this neck of the woods.

[BillyStubbsTears]

oslorovers wrote:

BST i was far from trying to second guess what choice you took
on leaving school ale/women or political awareness.

only trying to point out my total lack in political awareness
or interest in politics when i left school.

if i had took politics far more serious i would have put a lot
more thought into my first vote,of which its would be fair to say it would not have been my last vote.

iam only trying to get across to you 'how it was for me' of which you seem to be having  slight problems taking them FACTS on board.

its starting to hit me that maybe you are trying a bit of
'FISHING' whilst not having a liecence is the only deffence i can come up with for yers.



if the case must point out i have very broad shoulders and thick skinned to suit,cast elsewhere fella no bites round this neck of the woods.

You've got the wrong end if the stick mate. There's no fishing going on and nowt personal either. I'm just genuinely disappointed in folk who choose to opt out of one of the most important decisions that we can make as citizens of a free country. The culture that we have developed of deciding who our leader will be based on how they look on telly, or even worse, not even giving a damn about it, is a deep long term problem for us.

[Mike_F]

The trouble is Billy, the majority of us middles-class folk don't really see much difference whoever is in power. We're the ones who pay the most taxes and create the most business so it's only natural that the sitting government use us as cash cows, whether that's the Tories cutting taxes for the mega-rich whilst increasing VAT, fuel duty etc. or the Labour Party screwing more from us so that they can give it to those who didn't try at school and think the state owes them a living (I know these are generalisations but it's the underlying theme).

Either way it's us working folk who pay the most and are entitled to the least. Try getting help with your mortgage if you're made redundant. No f**king chance. Had you never lifted a finger and done nothing but take from the state you would be more entitled to housing benefit and the like. I know, I was out of work for a few months about five years ago and it was bloody hard! That situation would be the same under any government but at least the reforms the current lot are thinking about would be fairer on those who work for a living.

[Sheepskin Stu]

It's interesting that you consider yourself to be middle class Mike. On what criteria have you reached that decision? I don't have any formal qualifications to speak of and do a manual job which is mundane and low paid. I was last unemployed over 15 years ago therefore I have paid taxes like you. I think it's too easy to fall back on outdated stereotypes. I really don't buy this \"oh but what about the poor middle classes\" routine. Nothing personal obviously,  Michael.  

[i_ateallthepies]

BillyStubbsTears wrote:

The Chinese believe that choosing your political leaders is a far too important job to leave to people who have no interest in or connection with the whole issue. Maybe they are right?

Communist sympathiser Billy?

I bet the majority of Chinese people would love the chance to choose their political leaders.