Hands up all those who want the death penalty...

[Glyn_Wigley]

...who would have strung up Jeremy Bamber in 1985...

Still want to top him while he's still officially guilty?

But he's 100% guilty, he must be otherwise he wouldn't have spent 25 years in jail!

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said this before iam all for the death penalty

but there needs to be alot of work done in the back ground
to tighten up the sentence of a death penalty by the courts.

from top of me head the yorkshire ripper,ian huntley for starters would fit the bill for death sentence.

lets throw in any terrorist caught after their act.

like i said the whole process of giving out a death sentence
will have to be seriously look into and made better and more safe.

dont know the answers how to do above thats for the so called
experts.

even the police will  need to be looked at alot more closely as for there is bad apples amongst them.

[Glyn_Wigley]

oslorovers wrote:

lets throw in any terrorist caught after their act.

So you'd have hung the Birmingham Six and the Guildford Four? Nice one.

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glyn you are worse than a bint sticking words in me mouth

i fail too see where i say i would put bham six and guilford four to the sword,thats all in the past

i only mentioned the death penalty in the future and what needs to be done.

maybe there should be a pistol whipping for members who miss read threads then jump all over the poster like a rash

if the case fella you have no leg to stand on

[rovinrover52]

all those mad suicide bombers should face the death pen          

[Glyn_Wigley]

oslorovers wrote:

glyn you are worse than a bint sticking words in me mouth

i fail too see where i say i would put bham six and guilford four to the sword,thats all in the past

i only mentioned the death penalty in the future and what needs to be done.

maybe there should be a pistol whipping for members who miss read threads then jump all over the poster like a rash

if the case fella you have no leg to stand on

They were convicted as terrorists, so by your own words you'd have given them the death penalty.

As for only talking about the death penalty in the future, well, miscarriages of justice can never happen again, can they? And if you're on about the future, what's Sutcliffe and Huntley got to do with it, they're in the past, aren't they?

[CusworthRovers]

Huntly, Sutty, Ipswich bloke, Crossbow man, Nielsson, Westy, Brady, Hindley.....hang them all.


I agree Oslo, times have moved on, we are far more advanced in producing evidence and quack reports.............but it's always good for the do-gooders to fall back on the Brum 6, Guildford 4 and apparent injustices from yester year.

It's time we shook this society up in many ways. It's time we introduced some new moral standings in line with the massive advances this nation has made.

[Glyn_Wigley]

CusworthRovers wrote:

Huntly, Sutty, Ipswich bloke, Crossbow man, Nielsson, Westy, Brady, Hindley.....hang them all.


I agree Oslo, times have moved on, we are far more advanced in producing evidence and quack reports.............but it's always good for the do-gooders to fall back on the Brum 6, Guildford 4 and apparent injustices from yester year.

It's time we shook this society up in many ways. It's time we introduced some new moral standings in line with the massive advances this nation has made.

Do I take it that your new moral standing includes executing people who may actually be innocent?

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glyn wigley....iam for the death penalty to be brought back
into our society,but at the sametime there needs a lot of ground work to be done to be able to set that up put into place.

as i said i dont know the answer to what ground work neds to be done there are so called experts who are paid to sort that out.

as you pointed out from years ago are justice system was not upto scratch hence the brum6 and guilford4 etc etc.

if a full proof death sentence can be introduced then i have no probs with likes of huntley,terrorist,ipswich loon etc etc
be hung drawn and quarterd if needs be.

i will be able to sleep at nite for sure

[Glyn_Wigley]

oslorovers wrote:

as you pointed out from years ago are justice system was not upto scratch hence the brum6 and guilford4 etc etc.

if a full proof death sentence can be introduced then i have no probs with likes of huntley,terrorist,ipswich loon etc etc
be hung drawn and quarterd if needs be.

But they were convicted under a system you agree is not up to scratch.

As for the future it very much depends upon what you call 'full proof', because if you introduce a degree of proof too high, a lot of murderers who are currently in jail under the burden of proof being 'beyond a reasonable doubt' would be acquitted, and be walking the streets. You can't have a two-tier level of determining guilt, either you're found Guilty or Not Guilty - you can't lock somebody up on the basis that you think they're guilty, but not guilty enough to receive the death penalty. Would letting all those people out make let you sleep at night?

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like i said fella iam not the expert on such matters,

but iam more than happy for the experts to come up with
a system for the sentence of the death penalty.

if i was asked to vote on the death sentence to be brought back
i would tick 'yes'.

i take on board what your getting across,hence why i point out
the present day system needs to be much better.

[Glyn_Wigley]

oslorovers wrote:

like i said fella iam not the expert on such matters,

but iam more than happy for the experts to come up with
a system for the sentence of the death penalty.

if i was asked to vote on the death sentence to be brought back
i would tick 'yes'.

i take on board what your getting across,hence why i point out
the present day system needs to be much better.

This what I don't understand - you agree that the system at present isn't good enough but you'd still want the death penalty even without knowing what (or how good) any replacement system would be...

If you were asked to vote on the death sentence today, would you want to bring it back even under the present system?

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for the death sentence to be brought back in todays climate
i would like to see a far more improved system that gives out such sentence rules and regulations etc etc.

so i would vote yes for above.

as the system stands now iam in two minds to be honest,as you
point out it has its faults.

but for the likes of huntley,yorkshire ripper who were clear cut guilty its the death sentence in my book.

think i would like to see stats on how many people are put in prison today for life that are not guilty

the guilford and bham cases etc etc were 20+ years ago when
not guilty slipped throu the net to be found guilty.

i would like to think today with the all resorces that police
have at their hands them days are long gone by.

[The L J Monk]

oslorovers wrote:

for the death sentence to be brought back in todays climate
i would like to see a far more improved system that gives out such sentence rules and regulations etc etc.

so i would vote yes for above.

But what if a smart looking man in a tie and blue suit said the death sentence was bad, whilst a fella with wild hair dressed in a pseudo donkey jacket said it was a good thing?  

[MrFrost]

Glyn, would you argue a case that the likes of Huntley, Sutcliffe etc could actually be innocent?

[Glyn_Wigley]

MrFrost wrote:

Glyn, would you argue a case that the likes of Huntley, Sutcliffe etc could actually be innocent?

No, because that's missing the point entirely. The point is that there's a possibility of doubt - similar to the Barry George case, in which new evidence wasn't enough to exonerate him, but to create sufficient doubt about the guilty verdict.

I don't know about the evidence in the Huntley case, but I can't remember any evidence directly tying Sutcliffe to any of the murdered women. ie a logical chain of evidence of Sutcliffe-weapon-body. Isn't there the possibility that he's a fantasist-confessor, or even a copycat of another killer?

[The Red Baron]

I used to be a supporter of the death penalty, but after seeing too many miscarriages of justice over the years, I now believe that it should not be restored. However, a life sentence for murder should mean just that- life imprisonment.

[Biggles]

Kin hang em all Bamber,Stefan Kiszko, Brum 6

According to the prison reform trust 12,000 INNOCENT people a year get banged up.

As long as there can be doubt there can never be a death sentance. It'd be no consolation to me that 99 paedo's and murderers get topped by the state if i'm fitted up by some copper looking to get his arrest rate up.

[Barmby Rover]

The world exists in shades of grey, not in black and white, that is why we will always have doubt about justice in our legal system, and why innocent people will be wrongly convicted. You can release an innocent party and say sorry.
How about the man who lost his volunteer job because 35 years ago he committed a burglary despite having not had a subsequent conviction? That is the sort of stupidity that black and white thinking brings about, I presume if you hang all those convicted of terrorist offences we would no longer have Nelson Mandela.

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good points been thrown about for both side of the death penalty here

but iam still for it

[CusworthRovers]

There was more than enough evidence for Sutcliffe linking him to body-weapon.

The £5 note found next to the body in Manchester, was traced to him. The shoe prints at the murder scene, the hammer that was found at Sheffield (that he was just about to batter another lady, until stopped by the coppers) was consistent with the blows suffered by his victims. You add on to that he was regularly stopped in red light area, he was lorry driver who got around the North of England.

He was spoken too by the Cops no end of times at his home, and was actually interviewed 3 times during many years of his killings. Oh, and then he came clean and confessed all, wanting to get it off his chest.

I've read the books on this and Moors Murderers. Try reading 'Beyond Evil', I would say the only time (and bear in mind it's a book) I've had to turn away and not look (or in this case put the book down). It gives accounts of the Court Extracts of the trial and the horrific extract of when those 2 cheeky monkeys tape recorded that poor little girl Lesley Ann Downey. As the title says 'Beyond Evil'.....and there are just a few crazy cats in our jails who are beyond evil who deserve to die IMO.

[Glyn_Wigley]

CusworthRovers wrote:

The £5 note found next to the body in Manchester, was traced to him. The shoe prints at the murder scene, the hammer that was found at Sheffield (that he was just about to batter another lady, until stopped by the coppers) was consistent with the blows suffered by his victims. You add on to that he was regularly stopped in red light area, he was lorry driver who got around the North of England.

All circumstantial, and certainly not enough to '100% prove' it was him. Under any new guidelines that say you have to 100% prove someone is guilty in order to be able to execute them, he'd have been freed. Isn't that comforting? Be careful what you wish for.

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the FACT that there have been no more incidents of women
been done by the 'yorkshire ripper' after sutcliffe was caught
speaks volumes

but that alone would not stand up in court,iam more than happy
west yorks plod got the right man.

[Mike_F]

I was against the reintroduction of the death penalty till I got up this morning. My sister-in-law and her fella stayed at ours last night and left their car parked on the road outside. When they returned to it this morning it was covered in spit and had \"w**k\" scratched into the bonnet. It surely can't have been a targeted attack as he is from Sheffield and wouldn't have any eniemies round here. Or any at all for that matter as he's a lovely chap.

The sort of people who go around committing such wanton acts of vandalism at an emotional and financial cost to others for absolutely no gain of their own really have no place in society. If caught in the act they ought to be put up against the nearest wall and shot. Unfortunately this sort of thing seems to be happening more and more these days with generation after generation of these Kitsons turning out equally retarded offspring.

[Glyn_Wigley]

oslorovers wrote:

the FACT that there have been no more incidents of women
been done by the 'yorkshire ripper' after sutcliffe was caught
speaks volumes

but that alone would not stand up in court,iam more than happy
west yorks plod got the right man.

I think they have as well.

But what you and I think doesn't matter - what matters is can you '100% prove' it in court? If that's the criteria you want to be able to hang people, and you can't '100% prove' it, they walk because either they're '100% guilty' or they're 'not guilty', you can't have 'slightly guilty'. Is having a '100% guilty' criteria that still what you want?

[CusworthRovers]

Glyn_Wigley wrote:

CusworthRovers wrote:

The £5 note found next to the body in Manchester, was traced to him. The shoe prints at the murder scene, the hammer that was found at Sheffield (that he was just about to batter another lady, until stopped by the coppers) was consistent with the blows suffered by his victims. You add on to that he was regularly stopped in red light area, he was lorry driver who got around the North of England.

All circumstantial, and certainly not enough to '100% prove' it was him.

............hmmmmmm no mate