fence kickers

[leedshayter]

at 3.30 this morning a group of mindless morons decided to kick the shite out of 3 panels of my garden fence,smashing them to bits.me the mrs n kids were all woken by this .wot the fcuks going on im thinking as im stumbling down the stairs half asleep,out onto the street i go to be  greeted by said morons shouting abuse at me from about 500yds .none of them were brave enough to come back and explain themselves.all i got was come down here old man(im 44)well kick your fcuking head in!.dont you dare! said the mrs,the police are on the way.one hour ten minutes later they arrive.e, sprotbroughs not like it used to be!.    

[BLIR]

If it happens again, let them think they've got away. Get in the car, drive the long way round to approach from the rear (as it were). Get out of car, administer beating to group starting with the biggest first.

Simples  

[MrFrost]

Is there a trick in getting the Police to come out to a crime?

[leedshayter]

would of done mate but had a few glasses of red before ritering

[Nudga]

I can see it kicking off near me as well (Scawsby), there are these little t**ts on mopeds that scream around at stupid o clock in our cul de sac. They then doss about on the local park and smash as many beer bottles as they can and leave vaious drugs paraphanalia lying about. Great place to bring up my little lads.

[5minstogo]

Nudga wrote:

I can see it kicking off near me as well (Scawsby), there are these little t**ts on mopeds that scream around at stupid o clock in our cul de sac. They then doss about on the local park and smash as many beer bottles as they can and leave vaious drugs paraphanalia lying about. Great place to bring up my little lads.

We've had a similar problem near us at top end of Scawthorpe. Kid who lives opposite had one of these bikes, riding round in pitch black with no lights or helmet, tax, licence. Was magic last week when the police pulled up in a van and took it off him.

Keep a written record of any anti-social/nuisance behaviour and give it to the police administering the local Safer Neighbourhood Team, better than nothing I guess.

[Filo]

And you all have a pop at Stainforth, seems the so called well to do areas are just as bad, if not worse  

[Dickie Dido]

To be honest I used to like French Knickers before my eye sight deteriorated.

[jucyberry]

Thing is, you did the right thing.. At least you are here to post about it. More and more the papers are full of people who confront these little devils and die for a piece if replaceable property.. I'm sure your lady would rather have you than a fence panel.
Cops are useless, their hands are tied cos kids today have more rights than any adult.

[leedshayter]

yeah your rite juice, lets just hope there not back tonight though,

[BLIR]

Nudga wrote:

I can see it kicking off near me as well (Scawsby), there are these little t**ts on mopeds that scream around at stupid o clock in our cul de sac. They then doss about on the local park and smash as many beer bottles as they can and leave vaious drugs paraphanalia lying about. Great place to bring up my little lads.

Can't possibly condone the following (ahem!) but I've seen it work:

Get a gang of mates (or a couple of big ones) that are not from the area and will not be recognised afterwards. Get them to park up a way off and ambush the kids on foot. Give one or two of them a bit of a slap (or a bit more, depending on their response) and threaten them with a lot more if said anti social behaviour continues.

Kids will be scared off, and will have no idea who instigated the assault.

Point to note - the guys would have to live up to their promise to dish up more slaps if needed, empty promises mean nothing.

Clearly I am not going to condone violence, but sometime these pricks only understand one way. If the safety of my kids was at risk I would do whatever was necessary to rectify the problem, and sometimes a pre-emptive strike is an effective tool!

[Nudga]

Filo wrote:

And you all have a pop at Stainforth, seems the so called well to do areas are just as bad, if not worse  

Scawsby is not well to do, it's like a slighty up market version of Balby with slightly better off chavs.

[pkt_drfc]

MrFrost wrote:

Is there a trick in getting the Police to come out to a crime?

I once used the line i have just shot somebody who tried to break into my garage bloody hell you should have seen the amount of police come to my address on a positive note they caught them

[Nudga]

pkt_drfc wrote:

MrFrost wrote:

Is there a trick in getting the Police to come out to a crime?

I once used the line i have just shot somebody who tried to break into my garage bloody hell you should have seen the amount of police come to my address on a positive note they caught them

Funny that because some Kitson I had trouble with grassed me up to Old Bill for having a dodgy tax disc in my car, only when he rang 999 he told them that someone had been kicked in on my street. The police were there within 5 mins, this lad pointed towards the dodgy tax disc and he lifted me. Didn't even question the blatent lie about someone getting a pasting.

[BobG]

Must have been he night for it. I had a loud banging on my door at about 2 this morning. As I was still sat here reading the pearls of wisdom, I was up. And I had a cricket bat about 3 feet from me So I tootled off to said door, flung it open and was about to crash bat on plonkers' bonce when I noticed there was no bugger there Another brave little boy done a runner.... Tonight I have the other door unchained and a cleared route round to the likely area - should little boy(s) try it again.

BobG

[Savvy]

Cricket Bat? Bit harsh that Bob lad! Not sure that would fall into the catergory of reasonable force!

[RoversDave]

Savvy wrote:

Cricket Bat? Bit harsh that Bob lad! Not sure that would fall into the catergory of reasonable force!

Have you seen his square cut, not what it was!

Talking about the boys in blue, when I was burgled one Christmas Eve about 20 years ago, called 999. Turned up quite promptly, and went asking my neighbours what sort of person I was, as though I'd done it myself. Still waiting for my follow-up call from them.

[The Red Baron]

leedshayter wrote:

at 3.30 this morning a group of mindless morons decided to kick the shite out of 3 panels of my garden fence,smashing them to bits.me the mrs n kids were all woken by this .wot the fcuks going on im thinking as im stumbling down the stairs half asleep,out onto the street i go to be  greeted by said morons shouting abuse at me from about 500yds .none of them were brave enough to come back and explain themselves.all i got was come down here old man(im 44)well kick your fcuking head in!.dont you dare! said the mrs,the police are on the way.one hour ten minutes later they arrive.e, sprotbroughs not like it used to be!.    

Before the General Election there was a huge argument about crime going up/ down and some (seemingly respectable) statistics were produced to show that crime had fallen over the last 10-15 years. What wasn't pointed out at the time was that the type of incident you're talking about is now classified as \"anti-social behaviour.\" Your incident, which involved criminal damage, or what we used to call \"vandalism\" would have been recorded as a crime a decade or so ago. No wonder \"crime figures\" are down! And that's even before we get on to those incidents which are not reported because people know the police will do nothing.

[Filo]

Savvy wrote:

Cricket Bat? Bit harsh that Bob lad! Not sure that would fall into the catergory of reasonable force!

I suppose it`s whether you`r playing a hook shot or a forward defensive stroke  

[BillyStubbsTears]

The Red Baron wrote:

leedshayter wrote:

at 3.30 this morning a group of mindless morons decided to kick the shite out of 3 panels of my garden fence,smashing them to bits.me the mrs n kids were all woken by this .wot the fcuks going on im thinking as im stumbling down the stairs half asleep,out onto the street i go to be  greeted by said morons shouting abuse at me from about 500yds .none of them were brave enough to come back and explain themselves.all i got was come down here old man(im 44)well kick your fcuking head in!.dont you dare! said the mrs,the police are on the way.one hour ten minutes later they arrive.e, sprotbroughs not like it used to be!.    

Before the General Election there was a huge argument about crime going up/ down and some (seemingly respectable) statistics were produced to show that crime had fallen over the last 10-15 years. What wasn't pointed out at the time was that the type of incident you're talking about is now classified as \"anti-social behaviour.\" Your incident, which involved criminal damage, or what we used to call \"vandalism\" would have been recorded as a crime a decade or so ago. No wonder \"crime figures\" are down! And that's even before we get on to those incidents which are not reported because people know the police will do nothing.

Much as I sympathise with the OP, and much as I share his annoyance when this sort of thing happens, (my wife's had to stop me going out with a cricket bat in the middle of the night) I kind of guessed that this topic of crime rates would rear its head eventually.

The most authoritative figures on crime trends is the British Crime Survey. That is NOT a record of what crimes are reported. it is a comprehensive survey of people's EXPERIENCE of crime. And those figures show that there has been a consistent fall in crime for the last decade, using EXACTLY the same way of catagorising crimes each time.

It's inconvenient when we all wish to retreat into old-gittism and complain that it's all shit today, but the facts simply don't bear it out.

HAve a look here. http://http://rds.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs07/bcs25.pdf

There are some fascinating results in there. Look at how thefts of and from cars have reduced in the last 17 years. Also burglaries. And yet 70% of people think that crime in the country as a whole is rising. Although only 50% of people think it's rising in their own area.

All of which seems to suggest that most people don't experience crime, but they HEAR about it.

Couldn't possibly be yet another example of unbalalnced and sensationalised reporting in the shit rags that pass for tabloid papers in this country could it?

[The Red Baron]

I think you missed my point, which is that some of the supposed fall in the crime rate can be attributed to the fact that what was considered \"crime\" is now considered \"anti-social behaviour.\"

There's no doubt that car crime and burglary have fallen- largely as a result of better security measures for both cars and property. Personal security is more difficult to protect, unless one wants to run the risk of falling foul of the law oneself for \"carrying an offensive weapon.\" Hence the increase in mugging or street robbery.

[BillyStubbsTears]

TRB. I'm afraid you're wrong on every score. You quote (with absolutely no evidence to back it up) vandalism and violent crime as examples of problem areas.

The BCS data are available for anyone to look at. These are impartially collated figures, which include, for example, numbers of cases of vandalism per year. These are NOT police reported figures. They are NOT muddied by being defined as anti-social behaviour. They are figures of cases of vandalism that have been recorded in the same way for more than 20 years.

The figures show that vandalism cases peaked in 1995, and have declined steadily since then. In 2009-10, when the BCS survey asked real people about their real experience of real problems, they found 46% fewer reports of vandalism against property than they did in 1995.

Violent crime:

Using the same approach, the BCS found that in 2009-10, cases of Wounding were 45% lower than in 1995, Assualt with minor injury, 68% lower, Domestic violence and violence by an acquaintanace, 60-70% lower, violence by a stranger 22% lower. The very serious violent crimes have not come down anywhere near as much (murder, rape, robbery) but even then, they HAVE come down.

And yet, no-one believes it. We are a nation of ignorant smart arses who reckon everyone in authority is spinning them a line and who refuse to believe that they are living in the best if times. It is deeply, deeply corrosive.

[CusworthRovers]

BillyStubbsTears wrote:

The BCS data are available for anyone to look at. These are impartially collated figures, which include, for example, numbers of cases of vandalism per year. These are NOT police reported figures. They are NOT muddied by being defined as anti-social behaviour. They are figures of cases of vandalism that have been recorded in the same way for more than 20 years.

Unless I'm being thick here, then surely they will come from Police data. Unless you are suggesting the BCS ring up every house in the UK and ask if they have been a victim of crime to get their stats. Everything is reported to the Police, not BCS

[BillyStubbsTears]

No it's not police figures. Precisely because they know many crimes are not reported.

What they do is interview several tens of thousands of people about what crime THEY themselves have experienced in the last 12 months. Statistically, it means they get a damn accurate picture if the national average.

It's not perfect - it couldn't be unless they interviewed every single person in the country. But overall, on average, it gives a very good estimate. And when it shows that for 15 years there has been a steady decline in all sorts of crimes, it us almost impossible to imagine that the decline had not actually happened.

[CusworthRovers]

I would still suggest the best way to gauge crime trends is through recorded crimes when ringing up the Cops. Whilst I accept there maybe a problem of people not reporting crimes, I would assume it's far far lower than the people who are actually reporting it. Trying to guesstimate National Crime trends on a 2000-10,000 house survey, is flawed in my opinion.

[Thinwhiteduke]

MrFrost wrote:

Is there a trick in getting the Police to come out to a crime?

Yep. Tell them you have a Gun and your prepared to use it.

[BillyStubbsTears]

CusworthRovers wrote:

I would still suggest the best way to gauge crime trends is through recorded crimes when ringing up the Cops. Whilst I accept there maybe a problem of people not reporting crimes, I would assume it's far far lower than the people who are actually reporting it. Trying to guesstimate National Crime trends on a 2000-10,000 house survey, is flawed in my opinion.

Actually Cussie, it's reckoned that only 1 in every 4 crimes is reported to the Police.

I suspect LeedsHayter didn't report his problem. I didn't last time my car was broken into. The bloke over the road didn't when someone took a key to his car wing. That's why the BCS survey is far more accurate as a way of gauging overall crime levels. Even if it us not perfect.

By the way,they actually survey a minimum of 20,000 households - about one in every thousand in the country. Which makes it just about the biggest survey in the country. And at that size, the results are really Betty accurate - the outliers pretty well cancel each other out.

[MrFrost]

I report everything to the Police. I don't know if that's because my old man is high up in the force and it's been bred into me or what.

For the use it has ever done though, it has always been pointless.

Yet they have enough free time to pull people over for a headlight out and dish out fines for it.

I have no respect for the Police.

[Filo]

MrFrost wrote:

I report everything to the Police. I don't know if that's because my old man is high up in the force and it's been bred into me or what.

For the use it has ever done though, it has always been pointless.

Yet they have enough free time to pull people over for a headlight out and dish out fines for it.

I have no respect for the Police.

You have no respect for your old man?  

[MrFrost]

Filo wrote:

MrFrost wrote:

I report everything to the Police. I don't know if that's because my old man is high up in the force and it's been bred into me or what.

For the use it has ever done though, it has always been pointless.

Yet they have enough free time to pull people over for a headlight out and dish out fines for it.

I have no respect for the Police.

You have no respect for your old man?  

He actually agrees with me, and can see why people have no respect for the force. It's full of corruption and jobsworths.

To be honest though, he's in the MOD, so their dealings with civilian crime is pretty low.