Donny North MP for PM!

[RTID75]

So, it's Ed for the next PM then! Didn't think he'd manage to pull past his brother, but he has by the tiniest margin.

Donny North man in the hot seat in 5 (hopefully less!) years then! Let's hope he can re-unite Labour and rip the coalition to shreds.

[DubaiRover]

Donny to rule the world first drfc then this, c'mon.
Donny and proud.

[The Red Baron]

I may be wrong but I think it is the first time that a Doncaster MP has been elected as leader of a major party.

Just heard on Radio 5 that he's a lapsed Weeds fan though! Let's hope he's VERY lapsed!  

[LongbridgeMGRover]

can anyone tell me how a man who grew up in London, still lives in fashionable Primrose Hill, went to Oxford University, and apart from a stint lecturing at Harvard has never had a job outside of politics has anything to do with Doncaster?

having said that, a few weeks of tweedle dee and tweedle dum, the public school chums means i wish him, or indeed anyone well.

[MrFrost]

I wonder how in touch he is with the people he represents. He doesn't fill me with confidence.

[Barmby Rover]

Why am I not surprised by your lack of confidence?

[BillyStubbsTears]

MrFrost wrote:

I wonder how in touch he is with the people he represents. He doesn't fill me with confidence.

What a bloody stupid comment. An MP represents on average about 100,000 people. How \"in touch\" are ANY of them with their constituents? How many of them could ever meet and discuss issues with any more than a tiny fraction of one percent of the people that they represent?

What does it matter where they come from? Why should having a certain upbringing give you a sense of shared community with others? I suspect that you and I come from very similar socio-economic backgrounds, and clearly we were both brought up in Donny. But I'm struggling to find a single topic that I agree with your outlook on. I would have absolutely no confidence whatsoever in YOU as representative of ME.

Personally, what I want from an MP is an intelligent, diligent, hard-working, ideally well-connected go-getter who broadly shares my political outlook. It matters not one iota if the MP cones from the Orkneys or Cornwall, whether he left school at 14 or was an Oxford Prof so long as he has the aforementioned qualities.

Which makes Ed Milliband a perfect MP for Donny.

[MrFrost]

BillyStubbsTears wrote:

MrFrost wrote:

I wonder how in touch he is with the people he represents. He doesn't fill me with confidence.

What a bloody stupid comment. An MP represents on average about 100,000 people. How \"in touch\" are ANY of them with their constituents? How many of them could ever meet and discuss issues with any more than a tiny fraction of one percent of the people that they represent?

What does it matter where they come from? Why should having a certain upbringing give you a sense of shared community with others? I suspect that you and I come from very similar socio-economic backgrounds, and clearly we were both brought up in Donny. But I'm struggling to find a single topic that I agree with your outlook on. I would have absolutely no confidence whatsoever in YOU as representative of ME.

Personally, what I want from an MP is an intelligent, diligent, hard-working, ideally well-connected go-getter who broadly shares my political outlook. It matters not one iota if the MP cones from the Orkneys or Cornwall, whether he left school at 14 or was an Oxford Prof so long as he has the aforementioned qualities.

Which makes Ed Milliband a perfect MP for Donny.

I wouldn't want you representing me either BST. I don't think I have ever come across anyone who believe's they are right about absolutely EVERYTHING. If someone else has an opinion that differs to your own, it is immidiately shot down in flames.

The qualities you have listed above, I believe Ed Milliband has very few of anyway. Fortunately for him, he has probably got four years or so to work on things and try and remember who's interests the Labour party are meant to work for.

[BillyStubbsTears]

On the contrary my friend. I am frequently wrong.




















Just not when in discussion with you. You make it too easy for your interlocutor to be right all the time by spouting arrant nonsense.

You've just given a superb example. If you truly believe that anyone could get to the top of the political pole whilst lacking the qualities I listed, then you clearly know the square root if f**k all about politics.

[MrFrost]

BillyStubbsTears wrote:

On the contrary my friend. I am frequently wrong.




















Just not when in discussion with you. You make it too easy for your interlocutor to be right all the time by spouting arrant nonsense.

You've just given a superb example. If you truly believe that anyone could get to the top of the political pole whilst lacking the qualities I listed, then you clearly know the square root if fcuk all about politics.

So you'll have no problem in admitting that David Cameron, John Major and Maggie have (had) those qualities aswell?

I remember an interview a short while back with Ed Milliband. I can't for the life of me remember who was interviewing him, but the interviewer had him all over the place, and he basically showed himself up. Do you really see this man running the country?

[BillyStubbsTears]

So you'll have no problem in admitting that David Cameron, John Major and Maggie have (had) those qualities aswell?

Go back, read what I wrote again and ask yourself whether your question is necessary.

I remember an interview a short while back with Ed Milliband. I can't for the life of me remember who was interviewing him, but the interviewer had him all over the place, and he basically showed himself up. Do you really see this man running the country?

So you seem to recall an example of someone you don't remember scoring debating points on a topic that you don't specify against Ed Milliband? Do you really see me making my decision on who I want to lead the country on such evidence?

Give me examples of factual errors that Milliband made or inconsistencies in his policies that were exposed and I might take you more seriously.

[MrFrost]

BillyStubbsTears wrote:

So you'll have no problem in admitting that David Cameron, John Major and Maggie have (had) those qualities aswell?

Go back, read what I wrote again and ask yourself whether your question is necessary.

I remember an interview a short while back with Ed Milliband. I can't for the life of me remember who was interviewing him, but the interviewer had him all over the place, and he basically showed himself up. Do you really see this man running the country?

So you seem to recall an example if someone you don't remember scoring debating points on a topic that you don't specify against Ed Milliband? Do you really see me making my decision on who I want to lead the country on such evidence?

Give me examples of factual errors that Milliband made or inconsistencies in his policies that were exposed and I might take you more seriously.

What's the point. You'll just dance around any point I make and try and turn it round in your favour.

I notice you didn't answer my question about the three Tory leaders.

[BillyStubbsTears]

MrFrost wrote:

BillyStubbsTears wrote:

So you'll have no problem in admitting that David Cameron, John Major and Maggie have (had) those qualities aswell?

Go back, read what I wrote again and ask yourself whether your question is necessary.

I remember an interview a short while back with Ed Milliband. I can't for the life of me remember who was interviewing him, but the interviewer had him all over the place, and he basically showed himself up. Do you really see this man running the country?

So you seem to recall an example if someone you don't remember scoring debating points on a topic that you don't specify against Ed Milliband? Do you really see me making my decision on who I want to lead the country on such evidence?

Give me examples of factual errors that Milliband made or inconsistencies in his policies that were exposed and I might take you more seriously.

What's the point. You'll just dance around any point I make and try and turn it round in your favour.

I notice you didn't answer my question about the three Tory leaders.

The point is very simple. Exceedingly simple. It is THIS. I will take you seriously when you present well-considered, well-supported, fact-based arguments. It couldn't be simpler. I respect and admire anyone who does that, whatever their political persuasion.

As for not answering your question, go back, read what I wrote and then consider whether you need to ask whether I answered your question.

[MrFrost]

BillyStubbsTears wrote:

MrFrost wrote:

BillyStubbsTears wrote:

So you'll have no problem in admitting that David Cameron, John Major and Maggie have (had) those qualities aswell?

Go back, read what I wrote again and ask yourself whether your question is necessary.

I remember an interview a short while back with Ed Milliband. I can't for the life of me remember who was interviewing him, but the interviewer had him all over the place, and he basically showed himself up. Do you really see this man running the country?

So you seem to recall an example if someone you don't remember scoring debating points on a topic that you don't specify against Ed Milliband? Do you really see me making my decision on who I want to lead the country on such evidence?

Give me examples of factual errors that Milliband made or inconsistencies in his policies that were exposed and I might take you more seriously.

What's the point. You'll just dance around any point I make and try and turn it round in your favour.

I notice you didn't answer my question about the three Tory leaders.

The point is very simple. Exceedingly simple. It is THIS. I will take you seriously when you present well-considered, well-supported, fact-based arguments. It couldn't be simpler. I respect and admire anyone who does that, whatever their political persuasion.

As for not answering your question, go back, read what I wrote and then consider whether you need to ask whether I answered your question.

I already have read it, and don't need to for a second time. You didn't answer it, and that's fine. It sums it up for me.

[BillyStubbsTears]

MrFrost wrote:

BillyStubbsTears wrote:

MrFrost wrote:

BillyStubbsTears wrote:

So you'll have no problem in admitting that David Cameron, John Major and Maggie have (had) those qualities aswell?

Go back, read what I wrote again and ask yourself whether your question is necessary.

I remember an interview a short while back with Ed Milliband. I can't for the life of me remember who was interviewing him, but the interviewer had him all over the place, and he basically showed himself up. Do you really see this man running the country?

So you seem to recall an example if someone you don't remember scoring debating points on a topic that you don't specify against Ed Milliband? Do you really see me making my decision on who I want to lead the country on such evidence?

Give me examples of factual errors that Milliband made or inconsistencies in his policies that were exposed and I might take you more seriously.

What's the point. You'll just dance around any point I make and try and turn it round in your favour.

I notice you didn't answer my question about the three Tory leaders.

The point is very simple. Exceedingly simple. It is THIS. I will take you seriously when you present well-considered, well-supported, fact-based arguments. It couldn't be simpler. I respect and admire anyone who does that, whatever their political persuasion.

As for not answering your question, go back, read what I wrote and then consider whether you need to ask whether I answered your question.

I already have read it, and don't need to for a second time. You didn't answer it, and that's fine. It sums it up for me.

Christ up above man, are you auditioning for \"Donny's Got Obtuse Folk\" or summat.

I said that ANYONE who gets to the top of the political pole must have those qualities.

\"Anyone\".

As in \"Anyone\".

Of COURSE Thatcher, Major and Cameron had/have those qualities. I didn't think it needed to be spelled out, given that I'd said that ANYONE who succeeded in politics needed those qualities, but clearly I overestimated you.

[BobG]

Well I understood you well enough Billy. 'Anyone', by definition, means, err, err, anyone! In this context any leader of any major party. Which is a pretty logical state of affairs anyway. It is deeply saddening to see the evidence of the growing illiteracy amongst this population.

Cheers

BobG

[MrFrost]

BobG wrote:

Well I understood you well enough Billy. 'Anyone', by definition, means, err, err, anyone! In this context any leader of any major party. Which is a pretty logical state of affairs anyway. It is deeply saddening to see the evidence of the growing illiteracy amongst this population.

Cheers

BobG

It's deeply saddening to read the ramblings of two people who's only enjoyment in life seems to be the mocking of those with a lower IQ of them.

Tell me Bob, has your thesaurus got you far in life?

[Savvy]

Funny you should mention that....I've always struggled to find another word for a thesaurus!

[BillyStubbsTears]

MrFrost wrote:

BobG wrote:

Well I understood you well enough Billy. 'Anyone', by definition, means, err, err, anyone! In this context any leader of any major party. Which is a pretty logical state of affairs anyway. It is deeply saddening to see the evidence of the growing illiteracy amongst this population.

Cheers

BobG

It's deeply saddening to read the ramblings of two people who's only enjoyment in life seems to be the mocking of those with a lower IQ of them.

Tell me Bob, has your thesaurus got you far in life?

I think you may be confusing \"thesaurus\", with \"dictionary\". Don't take that as mockery. Think of it as education.

[MrFrost]

BillyStubbsTears wrote:

MrFrost wrote:

BobG wrote:

Well I understood you well enough Billy. 'Anyone', by definition, means, err, err, anyone! In this context any leader of any major party. Which is a pretty logical state of affairs anyway. It is deeply saddening to see the evidence of the growing illiteracy amongst this population.

Cheers

BobG

It's deeply saddening to read the ramblings of two people who's only enjoyment in life seems to be the mocking of those with a lower IQ of them.

Tell me Bob, has your thesaurus got you far in life?

I think you may be confusing \"thesaurus\", with \"dictionary\". Don't take that as mockery. Think of it as education.

I'm not confusing anything.
And I seriously doubt you could educate me. Patronise - probably.

[Barmby Rover]

Something about meat products and education, but I can't quite remember the phrase........ but you must have heard it before Mr Frost, maybe you could help us poor intellectual folks out. After all we know nothing and only opinion matters even if it can't be backed up with facts if I remember previous ramblings by yourself.

[BobG]

You're right Mr Frost. It probably is impossible to educate those unwilling or unable to learn.

Cheers

BobG

[Savvy]

Thats right Bob!

\"Knowledge sounds foolish to fools\" W.E. Deming 1986

[Barmby Rover]

Listen carefully Ed....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1-tcXX7bvo&feature=related

[hoolahoop]

BillyStubbsTears wrote:

MrFrost wrote:

BobG wrote:

Well I understood you well enough Billy. 'Anyone', by definition, means, err, err, anyone! In this context any leader of any major party. Which is a pretty logical state of affairs anyway. It is deeply saddening to see the evidence of the growing illiteracy amongst this population.

Cheers

BobG

It's deeply saddening to read the ramblings of two people who's only enjoyment in life seems to be the mocking of those with a lower IQ of them.

Tell me Bob, has your thesaurus got you far in life?

I think you may be confusing \"thesaurus\", with \"dictionary\". Don't take that as mockery. Think of it as education.

Jeez you are a patronising fooker Billy!  :angry:
What do you get out of belittling or seemingly belittling Mr. Frost, your posts whilst extremely amusing on most occasions can be extremely ridiculous on others.
Both you and I know my little Marxist, that this man has been elected to be a 'poodle' for the Unions .
You take the art of being pedantic to a whole new level.

[Bentley Bullet]

Forum statesmen 2 Months, 1 Week ago    
Is it not true that some posters on here regard themselves as forum statesmen, and that they stick together in fear of disagreeing with each other?
I do wonder what stimulus people get from a football forum if it is intellectual chat they are seeking, especially if they can’t tolerate posters with lesser literacy. Surely there are more suitable forums available where their intellect will be more appreciated, and better understood.
It could be that they are happier as big fish in a small pond, not least because much of the gobbledegook they write camouflages a lot of b*llocks, and goes undetected by us simple footy fans who can’t be arsed to decipher it!

[BillyStubbsTears]

Bentley Bullet wrote:

Forum statesmen 2 Months, 1 Week ago    
Is it not true that some posters on here regard themselves as forum statesmen, and that they stick together in fear of disagreeing with each other?

Oh the irony...

I seem to remember that post being followed up by a number of supportive posts. Several of them monosyllabic, but there you go. You can't choose your cyber-friends.

Actually, to answer both you and Hoola, I don't set out with the aim of belittling anyone. Who am I to set myself up to do that?

If I crack every once in a while, then mea culpa.

But then, this is a rough, tough, Northern Lads' forum. We can take the blows and ride them. Personally, it worries me not one jot being called a \"patronising f**ker\", a \"poof\", a \"clever Kitson\" being accused of writing \"b*llocks\", or willfully trying to belittle someone.

I'm a big lad and I take it on the chin. I assume others do the same to whatever barbs come their way. If they don't, they ought to re-consider getting involved in heated discussions.

[hoolahoop]

Barmby Rover wrote:

Something about meat products and education, but I can't quite remember the phrase........ but you must have heard it before Mr Frost, maybe you could help us poor intellectual folks out. After all we know nothing and only opinion matters even if it can't be backed up with facts if I remember previous ramblings by yourself.

I wished there had been a fact or two for every opinion you have expressed in the past Barmby.
Are the 3 of you playing with him by agreement or are you all psychic arse'oles tonight ?
The demeaning phrase that you were looking for was that you with all your combined powers and intellect are unable to educate the 'pork' that is Mr. Frost.........    am I right ?  

[MrFrost]

BillyStubbsTears wrote:

Bentley Bullet wrote:

Forum statesmen 2 Months, 1 Week ago    
Is it not true that some posters on here regard themselves as forum statesmen, and that they stick together in fear of disagreeing with each other?

Oh the irony...

I seem to remember that post being followed up by a number of supportive posts. Several of them monosyllabic, but there you go. You can't choose your cyber-friends.

Actually, to answer both you and Hoola, I don't set out with the aim of belittling anyone. Who am I to set myself up to do that?

If I crack every once in a while, then mea culpa.

But then, this is a rough, tough, Northern Lads' forum. We can take the blows and ride them. Personally, it worries me not one jot being called a \"patronising fcuker\", a \"poof\", a \"clever cnut\" being accused of writing \"b*llocks\", or willfully trying to belittle someone.

I'm a big lad and I take it on the chin. I assume others do the same to whatever barbs come their way. If they don't, they ought to re-consider getting involved in heated discussions.

Now you're just showing off.

[hoolahoop]

BillyStubbsTears wrote:

Bentley Bullet wrote:

Forum statesmen 2 Months, 1 Week ago    
Is it not true that some posters on here regard themselves as forum statesmen, and that they stick together in fear of disagreeing with each other?

Oh the irony...

I seem to remember that post being followed up by a number of supportive posts. Several of them monosyllabic, but there you go. You can't choose your cyber-friends.

Actually, to answer both you and Hoola, I don't set out with the aim of belittling anyone. Who am I to set myself up to do that?

If I crack every once in a while, then mea culpa.

But then, this is a rough, tough, Northern Lads' forum. We can take the blows and ride them. Personally, it worries me not one jot being called a \"patronising fcuker\", a \"poof\", a \"clever cnut\" being accused of writing \"b*llocks\", or willfully trying to belittle someone.

I'm a big lad and I take it on the chin. I assume others do the same to whatever barbs come their way. If they don't, they ought to re-consider getting involved in heated discussions.

Patronising fooker.