Tories evading Tax!

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A multi millionaire and Lord Ashcroft won`t pay his taxes, an utter disgrace at a time when the tax man is chasing the working class for unpaid tax that was a result of their mistake

Tax evading Tory Peer!

[Dagenham Rover]

Surprised............no

[Chris]

Tax evasion is a crime. This is not tax evasion.

Regardless of whether you agree with it, he hasn't broken any rules.

[Barmby Rover]

He must be such a nice chap too, what a shame that the press are hounding him. We should be chasing all those folks stealing a few hundred quid on the dole instead!  :S    :X

[LuckyGirl]

So he transfers the money on 5th April when a change in the rules means he would have to pay approximately £3.4m if he did the same thing on , or after, 6th April.

Oh, sorry, I forgot I,m still looking for a job after being an unpaid carer for a family member who also thought £ 90 a week excessive income for all the services of a skivvy. Drawing a line under that I am watching the availavble number of jobs fall daily.

Is it just me or is there something intrinsically unfair and questionable in behaving protectively provided you have sufficient resources.

Oh if someone is struggling and down just give them another kick and tell them their benefits will be cut too. On £65 a week do you really expect me to prefer benefits to working!!!!!!

Rant over but Lord Ashcroft is still not a British taxpayer.

[bobjimwilly]

Lord Ashcroft - definition of a t**t?

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Barmby Rover wrote:

He must be such a nice chap too, what a shame that the press are hounding him. We should be chasing all those folks stealing a few hundred quid on the dole instead!  :S    :X

Some of us wouldn't if we could get a f**king job.  4 years I've been at uni and every job application seems to end in \"sorry you have no experience\" well I have to get it from somewhere, but it seems nobody is willing to give me that experience.  They want people to go to uni, but they have to give us a chance when we actually complete our degree.

[rabjohns]

A Panorama investigation into Ashcroft's tax affair's cancelled tonight due to legal issue's.

[hoolahoop]

rabjohns wrote:

A Panorama investigation into Ashcroft's tax affair's cancelled tonight due to legal issue's.

Perhaps the fact that his actions aren't 'illegal' just immoral. A very different thing but nonetheless very annoying.  :angry:

[Boomstick]

LORD PAUL

[Boomstick]

big
fat yorkshire pudding wrote:

Barmby Rover wrote:

He must be such a nice chap too, what a shame that the press are hounding him. We should be chasing all those folks stealing a few hundred quid on the dole instead!  :S    :X

Some of us wouldn't if we could get a fcuking job.  4 years I've been at uni and every job application seems to end in \"sorry you have no experience\" well I have to get it from somewhere, but it seems nobody is willing to give me that experience.  They want people to go to uni, but they have to give us a chance when we actually complete our degree.

Thats Labour for you :dry:
\"degrees have never been so expensive and yet...so cheap.\"


You'll have to get a job in a call centre

call centre graduates

 :angry:

[Barmby Rover]

I do hope you got the irony in there BFYP, Ashcroft has been immoral and illegal as far as I know, along with the Tories taking money from people outside of these shores.
BFYP, I get people WITH loads of experience and extemely high qualifications coming to see me because they have been out of work for more than a year in my job. I currently have a research mathematician and ironically a man who used to sort out IT for the banking system coming in to see me. Just like myself, you have been in the wrong place at the wrong time. I spent two years out of three unemployed when I graduated, in 1979. I have the marvellous Thatcher to thank for that one, and I have spent my whole life trying to catch up moneywise since. Lower the expectations BFYP for the moment, go for jobs with Tescos, Asda etc for the moment, and try to think of it as only a stepping stone to something better as soon as things pick up.

[Thinwhiteduke]

Barmby Rover wrote:

Lower the expectations BFYP for the moment, go for jobs with Tescos, Asda etc for the moment, and try to think of it as only a stepping stone to something better as soon as things pick up.

Agree with those sentiments exactly.

Anyway - it aint no bad thing working at Tescos, my cousin started there as a shelf stacker / till operator 15 years ago with no qualifications other than GCSE......she's now an area Manager on £40,000+ a year.

[Thinwhiteduke]

LuckyGirl wrote:

So he transfers the money on 5th April when a change in the rules means he would have to pay approximately £3.4m if he did the same thing on , or after, 6th April.


Rant over but Lord Ashcroft is still not a British taxpayer.

Like others have said though - most definetly immoral, but not illegal.

Why have previous Governements not closed the loophole that allows this practice?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Thinwhiteduke wrote:

LuckyGirl wrote:

So he transfers the money on 5th April when a change in the rules means he would have to pay approximately £3.4m if he did the same thing on , or after, 6th April.


Rant over but Lord Ashcroft is still not a British taxpayer.

Like others have said though - most definetly immoral, but not illegal.

Why have previous Governements not closed the loophole that allows this practice?

You may recall that the Labour Government announced in 2008 that they intended to tighten up the tax rules on non-domiciled tax scooters. They were savaged by the Tories and the press who said it would lead to financial whizz kids leaving the country.

Sounds like it would have been win-win to me. Especially if it resulted in leeches like Ashcroft never darkening our shores again.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Barmby Rover wrote:

Lower the expectations BFYP for the moment, go for jobs with Tescos, Asda etc for the moment, and try to think of it as only a stepping stone to something better as soon as things pick up.

The biggest problem is though, I've tried some of these places and actually been knocked back as they've said this; \"you're well qualified and our problem is you're not going to have that committment with us if something better comes along and we need people who'll be here long term\".  Even by basically lying and saying I would be it doesn't persuade them, makes it really difficult, kind of stuck in the middle.  Still cracking on with it, but it doesn't help that I have the bank etc on my back for not earning any substantial money, it's frustrating more than anything, the whole signing on thing is mighty demoralising aswell, they treat you as if you're stupid, the woman there last week had a mighty shock when she realised I had a degree etc and appologised for being patronising basically saying the system isn't set up to help people like me.  People like me?  I'm looking for a job just the same as anybody else, just because I've been through education why would that make me different?  Really find the whole thing completely frustrating and pointless.

[Barmby Rover]

Ask to be referred on to A4e or Working Links, somebody like that when you next sign on, they will help if only in terms of keeping your morale up and having another person looking for you as well. Normally it is after you have been unemployed for a year, but you can be fast tracked into the system.

[LuckyGirl]

big fat yorkshire pudding wrote: \".. it's frustrating more than anything, the whole signing on thing is mighty demoralising aswell, they treat you as if you're stupid, the woman there last week had a mighty shock when she realised I had a degree etc and appologised for being patronising basically saying the system isn't set up to help people like me. People like me? I'm looking for a job just the same as anybody else ..\"

You,ve hit the nail on the head there BFYP. I have had to ask for things all the way along and still don't feel 'supported'. All any of us can do is keep on applying for whatever is out there. I just hope we both find something sooner rather than later!!!

[hoolahoop]

Boomstick wrote:

big
fat yorkshire pudding wrote:

Barmby Rover wrote:

He must be such a nice chap too, what a shame that the press are hounding him. We should be chasing all those folks stealing a few hundred quid on the dole instead!  :S    :X

Some of us wouldn't if we could get a fcuking job.  4 years I've been at uni and every job application seems to end in \"sorry you have no experience\" well I have to get it from somewhere, but it seems nobody is willing to give me that experience.  They want people to go to uni, but they have to give us a chance when we actually complete our degree.

Thats Labour for you :dry:
\"degrees have never been so expensive and yet...so cheap.\"


You'll have to get a job in a call centre

call centre graduates

 :angry:

I hope you're saying that 'tongue in cheek' boomstick, you obviously don't know bfyp judging by your ridiculous comments.  :angry:  :angry:  :angry:
He is a decent, hard-working lad and doesn't need those sort of crass comments.

[jucyberry]

Sadly it is a rotten catch 22 situation. So many bright kids chasing too few of the jobs they have worked so hard to qualify for..

So they have to 'dumb down', only then they are regarded with almost suspicion because they educated themselves to a higher standard than the general mung bean.  

Doesn't give the bright young things much encouragement does it?

And it will only get worse. We as a nation can no longer afford to retire unless we are very lucky.

So where will future jobs come from?

[hoolahoop]

JB those same comments will have been made in every century but the jobs still come.
100% employment will always be an impossibility surely ?

[Boomstick]

hoolahoop wrote:

JB those same comments will have been made in every century but the jobs still come.
100% employment will always be an impossibility surely ?

Yes of course unless the welfare system is drastically changed

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Boomstick wrote:

hoolahoop wrote:

JB those same comments will have been made in every century but the jobs still come.
100% employment will always be an impossibility surely ?

Yes of course unless the welfare system is drastically changed

Aye, the welfare system is a bit too easy, it amazed me how much they just leave you to it and let you have the money (when they eventually start paying you I'm still waiting).

[BillyStubbsTears]

hoolahoop wrote:

JB those same comments will have been made in every century but the jobs still come.
100% employment will always be an impossibility surely ?

Wrong Hoola. On both scores.

1) Jobs are NOT predestined to emerge. They come when the right economic conditions are in place. There are many, many examples of countries screwing up badly and going from relative affluence and economic security to economic collapse from which they never emerge. Or take decades to emerge. I have a gut feeling that the Mediterranean countries are going through one of those periods at the moment. 20 years ago, Italy had a far stronger economy than us. They have struggled badly for a decade now, with unemployment far higher than ours, and they are currently teetering on the edge of a cliff. They are currently looking round frantically wondering where on earth the jobs are coming from.

2) Whilst 100% employment is of course not practical, (there will always be someone between jobs) practically full employment os perfectly possible. We had it here for two generations from 1940-1975. See the graph at the top of Section XI, Page 24 in this document.

http://www.parliament.uk/documents/commons/lib/research/rp99/rp99-111.pdf

Kind of answers Boomsticks usual fact-free-zone, right-wing, bigotted drivel that one does. That was the era on which the Welfare State was bedded in.

What actually happened in that era was that, as a result of the horror of the Great Depression, both Labour and the Tories had full employment as their key economic aim. They implemented Keynesian interventionist policies to implement this. It was only from the mid-70s when the Callaghan Government caved in to the IMF and introduced the era of Monetarist economy policy (with the prime economic aim being the control of inflation rather than full employment) which Maggie so gleefully seized on that unemployment became the scourge that our generation knew.

Look at the graph. It's a plain as the nose on your face. When the Free Market dominates, as it did from 1920-40 and 1980-onwards, rampant unemployment follows. When Governments control the worst excesses of the market as they did from 1940-1975, full employment os perfectly possible.

It is one of the most shameful of Maggie's legacies, that she has left the opinion that \"there is no alternative\" as something that our generation has taken as fact.

There is ALWAYS an alternative.