Armistice day protests:

[Savvy]

Does make you wonder if those have fallen could see what sort of society we have today and how they would feel!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/8126357/Muslims-clash-with-police-after-burning-poppy-in-anti-Armistice-Day-protest.html

[BillyStubbsTears]

35 people involved. Out of a country of 65 million?

0.00005% of the population. Hardly indicative if \"the sort of society we have today.\"

[Glyn_Wigley]

The freedom to do that is what they fought for, surely?

[MrFrost]

Glyn_Wigley wrote:

The freedom to do that is what they fought for, surely?

No. Don't even try and justify it.

[BobG]

Ahh. There's a perfect example of what a lack of context, an inability to see the bigger picture and an inability to think beyond the emotional response to the principles involved can do for you.

Sorry Mr Frost. But that is /what/ this country fought for in two world wars.

BobG

[gillinghamrover]

BobG wrote:

Ahh. There's a perfect example of what a lack of context, an inability to see the bigger picture and an inability to think beyond the emotional response to the principles involved can do for you.

Sorry Mr Frost. But that is /what/ this country fought for in two world wars.

BobG

Totally agree Bob, however as an ex Royal Engineer who has lost friends and colleagues, what it does show is a total lack of respect for what is the main day in the year that we honour those fallen in conflict(Islamics/Muslims/Jews/Catholics/Athiests/Agnostics/Jedis all among them).
Would I be allowed to burn a symbol of the Islamic/Muslim community and be unpunished? I suspect the answer is no as I would be arrested for anti-Islamic/Muslim actions or inciting racial hatred.

[BillyStubbsTears]

MrFrost wrote:

Glyn_Wigley wrote:

The freedom to do that is what they fought for, surely?

No. Don't even try and justify it.

Come on the Frostie.

The Fallen that we remember on Armistice Day fought to endure that we kept our freedom, correct?

What does that freedom mean if it's not the freedom for people to do things that you deeply, deeply disagree with?


Or does freedom only mean the freedom to live your life in a way that you personally deem acceptable?

Have a think about it before replying. None of this \"That's what I would have expected from a pinko commie faggot shit like you.\"

[not on facebook]

as soon as i saw the title on the thread 'muslims' came to my mind.

but i then read all the posts underneath the thread to judge if my mind
was correct,i was open minded untill i opened the link.

them 35 should be rounded up and fcuked off to where ever.

they have no intention of been true muslims and are only out
to bring the true muslim belife down along with for we stand for on our
own shores.

freedom of speech,no problem with that as it sets your stall out,but please
please pull them in and do som'ert about them.

they are doing more harm than good for whatever religion,government way of life you
belive in.

[BillyStubbsTears]

gillinghamrover wrote:

BobG wrote:

Ahh. There's a perfect example of what a lack of context, an inability to see the bigger picture and an inability to think beyond the emotional response to the principles involved can do for you.

Sorry Mr Frost. But that is /what/ this country fought for in two world wars.

BobG

Totally agree Bob, however as an ex Royal Engineer who has lost friends and colleagues, what it does show is a total lack of respect for what is the main day in the year that we honour those fallen in conflict(Islamics/Muslims/Jews/Catholics/Athiests/Agnostics/Jedis all among them).
Would I be allowed to burn a symbol of the Islamic/Muslim community and be unpunished? I suspect the answer is no as I would be arrested for anti-Islamic/Muslim actions or inciting racial hatred.

Couldn't agree more Gillingham about the respect issue. Respect is one of the cornerstones of a decent society and that is one of the reasons why the actions reported are repellent. Maturity and perspective are also major foundations of a strong society, and THAT is why people shouldn't get their knickers in a twist over a couple of dozen agent provocateurs trying to whip up aggro. What is to be gained by highlighting it? Better by far to give it the contempt it deserves.

[RobTheRover]

oslorovers wrote:

they have no intention of been true muslims and are only out
to bring the true muslim belife down along with for we stand for on our own shores.

Spot on Oslo.  I've worked with a couple of Muslim guys and they detest the extremists as much as everyone else does, possibly more so as it's them directly which suffer the tarnishing from the hard of thinking.

[Nudga]

It does need highlighting though because there is a lot of double standards going on in this country. If me and a few mates were to stand at Clock Corner shouting for \"The Muslims to go home or burn in hell\", we would be rounded up and frog marched to the meat wagon and arrested for inciting racial hatred, and we would be plastered all over the news and branded bigoted Doncaster f**kwits.
If these Kitsons feel that strongly about the British troops then why don't they f**k off back to their beloved motherland and fight along side their jeehadist brethren?
I'd give them a couple of choices;
1, If you want to live here then please accept our culture as you expect us to accept yours and muck in with the rest of us.

2, If you want to abuse our society then hand in your British passport and teck off back to your motherland.

3, If you want to abuse our society and WON'T hand in your British passport then try 20 years in jail for treasen and inciting racial hatred.

I remember a couple of years ago a cleric in North London was even given a Police corden whilst he spouted his b*llocks on a big microphone.

I'll tell you this for nothing, if i'm in town with out my children and I see this sort of thing I will have no hesitation what so ever in wading through the lot of em.
If we let this behaviour carry on we will have civil war within ten years.


\"Freedom of speech\", yeah, when it suits ay.

[Lytham Rover]

gillinghamrover wrote:

BobG wrote:

Ahh. There's a perfect example of what a lack of context, an inability to see the bigger picture and an inability to think beyond the emotional response to the principles involved can do for you.

Sorry Mr Frost. But that is /what/ this country fought for in two world wars.

BobG

Totally agree Bob, however as an ex Royal Engineer who has lost friends and colleagues, what it does show is a total lack of respect for what is the main day in the year that we honour those fallen in conflict(Islamics/Muslims/Jews/Catholics/Athiests/Agnostics/Jedis all among them).
Would I be allowed to burn a symbol of the Islamic/Muslim community and be unpunished? I suspect the answer is no as I would be arrested for anti-Islamic/Muslim actions or inciting racial hatred.

but surely a poppy is not a religous symbol it is  a symbol of respect to the fallen

as i remember from my history lessons

\"the tenet of democracy is that i would defend to the death my opponents views and the right to express them\"

or

\"respect from the majority to the minority  and respect from the minority to the majority\"

[not on facebook]

beadle rover you mention or ask that a poppy is not a religious symbol,thats its a
symbol of fallen heros of past.

these fcukwit muslims dont see any of above i bet my last dollar,as all they want
to do is get under the skin of life/people today,hence why they burn a poppy.

they are seeking out recations and any media from the press,as in their world all
press is good for their cause for membership.

its not political or religious the poppy burning was done in their eyes just
nuicense (spell check)

the police have done a great job on the football holligan front with banning orders
and what have yers,and lets be honest football violence was never a problem to national security.

i cant understand for life of me why the muslim extreme are left basically given
a free hand todate to whatever they please as in the poppy burning event without
been brought in and delt with football holligan style if 'owt

[Savvy]

bedale rover wrote:

gillinghamrover wrote:

BobG wrote:

Ahh. There's a perfect example of what a lack of context, an inability to see the bigger picture and an inability to think beyond the emotional response to the principles involved can do for you.

Sorry Mr Frost. But that is /what/ this country fought for in two world wars.

BobG

Totally agree Bob, however as an ex Royal Engineer who has lost friends and colleagues, what it does show is a total lack of respect for what is the main day in the year that we honour those fallen in conflict(Islamics/Muslims/Jews/Catholics/Athiests/Agnostics/Jedis all among them).
Would I be allowed to burn a symbol of the Islamic/Muslim community and be unpunished? I suspect the answer is no as I would be arrested for anti-Islamic/Muslim actions or inciting racial hatred.

but surely a poppy is not a religous symbol it is  a symbol of respect to the fallen

as i remember from my history lessons

\"the tenet of democracy is that i would defend to the death my opponents views and the right to express them\"

or

\"respect from the majority to the minority  and respect from the minority to the majority\"

Thought I'd lost the plot until I read this post! One thing is for sure, If I see anyone of them carry out an act of this nature, they better start praying to allah!

I often wonder what would have happened if we'd lost the second world war because I couldn't see Hitler putting up with this kind of shit, he knew how to quell a rebellion and kept the streets clear!


Well until the RAF came of course!!!  

[hoolahoop]

Totally in agreement with your comments savvy. There are two things that any immigrant should adhere to (that includes Brits of course)...respect for the rule of law and more importantly respect for the customs and beliefs of the host country.
I would not dream of walking around swilling ale and burning pictures of the prophet Mohammad on the streets of any Muslim country or here for that matter.
Freedom of speech and respect sometimes are at loggerheads and on this particular issue respect should always be the winner.

[Savvy]

I was thinking about Billy's comments Hoola, ok, fair point, only 35 people, but I reckon, going back even as far as the late 80's you'd have struggled to have got even 3 protest in such a manner!

[not on facebook]

to add more fuel to this thread,it seems that 6members of the
EDL (english defence league) were present at this extreme muslims
burning the poppy event.

and how did the police deal with them,they put them in back of van and
had them processed.

so where is the freedom of speach some of yers stand behind i ask.

ok you would not want the EDL camped out on yer front door step.

[Savvy]

It does beg the question if there is another country in the world where a group of protesters would have been allowed to walk around with placards announcing \"Our Troops are cnuts and should burn in hell\", wouldn't have thought so!

[donnyproletarian]

Savvy wrote:

It does beg the question if there is another country in the world where a group of protesters would have been allowed to walk around with placards announcing \"Our Troops are cnuts and should burn in hell\", wouldn't have thought so!

The irony is that this is what our fathers fought and died for.A paradox of democracy ime afraid .Although i do agree with a previous poster that this behaviour should be flagged for inciting racial hatred.It bugs me that legilation like the prevention of terrorism act have been  used in the past against  the Irish and tactics learned used in the miners strike etc.But the very same legilation is conveniately ignored by the PC camp when push comed to push.No wonder folk are peed of and falling into the hands of the hate brigade.

[MrFrost]

Freedom of speech.

I'd like to have these thirty odd Muslims round up and shipped to a Muslim country. They can then march round their own streets burning what the hell they like. I wonder what the reaction would be if I stood outside a mosque and protested against their beliefs or way of life?

[donnyproletarian]

MrFrost wrote:

Freedom of speech.

I'd like to have these thirty odd Muslims round up and shipped to a Muslim country. They can then march round their own streets burning what the hell they like. I wonder what the reaction would be if I stood outside a mosque and protested against their beliefs or way of life?

That would make us no better than them and your right you would get stoned or worse buggered to death by a cross dressing pre op muslim lady boy.As for freedom of speech the fact that both of us have said what we have just said without the thought police knocking on our door is what makes it worthwhile

[vaya]

MrFrost wrote:

Freedom of speech.

I'd like to have these thirty odd Muslims round up and shipped to a Muslim country. They can then march round their own streets burning what the hell they like. I wonder what the reaction would be if I stood outside a mosque and protested against their beliefs or way of life?

.... you'd possibly be a fat, crossed-eyed, vilified bigot, yet allowed along with your equally small-minded chums to run for Parliament.

[MrFrost]

But it's freedom of speech. Something our fallen fought for.

[BillyStubbsTears]

MrFrost wrote:

But it's freedom of speech. Something our fallen fought for.

Go on. You're so nearly there. Just one big squeeze and you'll have it.

[vaya]

Exactly. Much as I'd happily have Griffin et al. expungned from the face of the planet, he's quite able and at liberty to run for Parliament.

Lose miserably admittedly, but he's able to do it.

[BillyStubbsTears]

vaya wrote:

Exactly. Much as I'd happily have Griffin et al. expungned from the face of the planet, he's quite able and at liberty to run for Parliament.

Lose miserably admittedly, but he's able to do it.

And make a knob-wipe of himsen on Newsnight on the way. Good this democracy lark int it?

[Savvy]

Perhaps this is the solution we've been missing?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dhg_QIyMxZw

[DonnyNoel]

Savvy wrote:

It does beg the question if there is another country in the world where a group of protesters would have been allowed to walk around with placards announcing \"Our Troops are cnuts and should burn in hell\", wouldn't have thought so!

It's also done in the US....by Christians  

I recall an excellent Louis Theroux documentary on \"the most hated family in America\"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church

[charleydrfc]

can someone change this so the image shows please