Double standards

[bigdonnybob]

I was sat last night, immediately in front of the corporate boxes and to sit/stand in front of those boxes and consistently hear one of the Rovers player referred to as “a black c%*t\" EVERY time he touched the ball is just not on.
When a friend remonstrated about this he was told ‘come up here, and we will sort you out’. Someone went and reported this to the stewards and the reply from them was ‘its corporate boxes, we are not allowed to do anything in there. We are not allowed in there.’ I must say that two stewards were sent up to that area, what did they do, they stood there for the rest of the match giving our group the ‘evil eye’, not the perpetrators of the situation.
Two rows in front of the box in question sit, two, sometimes, three junior season ticket holders, they are young enough not to need to hear not only the language but the racial abuse put forward by these supposed supporters of whatever team.
If, I, just a normal season ticket holder had made similar sort of comments and abuse, I would have been swiftly ‘asked to leave the stadium’.
The campaign, RESPECT, which the Football League, Doncaster Rovers and everybody and his dog subscribes to, and which we are reminded about by the public address announcer before every game applies to everyone, so we are told.
Do you think it’s possible, through this forum, to tell the Stadium Management Company and their agents, the stewards, this.
After the game, two people went to the office and complained about the offense, only to be told something similar to what the stewards had said and to put the complaint in writing, which, I understand, is being done.

I await the outcome.

[FuzzyDuck]

Disgraceful behaviour and I don't care how much they've paid to see the game, they should be ejected.  

Bob - You witnessed it.  Complain in writing to the club and the SMC.  The more complaints they receive the more they will be obliged to do something even if its simply telling these bigots to keep their language and views to themselves.

[Filo]

Most mobile phones have a camera function on them, a photo as evidence to identify the perpetrators would come in handy

[benaldo]

Jesus Christ!!!

I cannot believe that those people weren't ejected!! As you know, I sit in that area too, albeit the other side of the stairway directly down the halfway line, so not directly in front of the boxes, but in front of where JR stands (and his language is a little fruity from time to time, though never obscene or racist, ever!). I didn't hear anything last night, but there are some right d**kheads who go in the first box sometimes, I believe that box is owned by JR?

Can I suggest you make a direct complaint to the club? That area of the ground is sometimes blessed with it's fair share of knobs and just because they are paying top dollar, does not mean they can act how they like. The Leeds game in particular was awful in the expensive seats...lots of Leeds fans, pissed and aggressive. They might all have been multi millionaires but it doesn't exclude them from decent human behaviour, or more importantly, the rules!

Complain to the club, and if you get no-where, the police. That kind of language and behaviour is absolutely disgusting, and if it was coming from that first box, perhaps JR might like to look into it?

[Bristol Red Rover]

The boxes should in no way be off limits for stewards, the VSC should check this out and if true get the regulation changed for the next home game. It really is that important that this doesn't happen.

I recall going to Palace away when in the conference and being gobbed on by some arse in the palace boxes above us - in one owned by a bank I believe. Stewards went in and removed him. These people are usually not there for the football, just drunken corporate wasters. Bin the feckers.

[jonnydog]

Absolute disgrace!! An insult to the players, fans, our club and all we stand for!!

[bigdonnybob]

I have pasted below the response my friend received from Charles Swallow in response to his email last night I think you can appreciate I have deleted some names involved.


----- Original Message -----
From: Charles Swallow
To: D--- F-------
Cc: Andrew Whitham ; Martin Cooke ; Julie Nichol ; Dave Morris
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:56 AM
Subject: RE: racial abuse !!!!

Dear Mr. -----------------,

I am in receipt of your e-mail, and I am sorry that it has been necessary for you to inform the club of this incident.
Doncaster Rovers Football Club is totally committed to eradicating abusive language and any form of aggressive behaviour from within the stadium. We fully support the Football League’s national campaigns which focus upon attracting youngsters and families to matches (‘Enjoy the Match’ campaign), and also the ‘One Game One Community – Kick It Out’ campaign which constantly drives the message that there is no place for racism within the game (or in any other walk of life). If you were at the recent match against Coventry City at the Keepmoat Stadium you will have noted the club’s focus upon this particular message.

I am extremely concerned to hear of the incident from within the crowd to which you refer, and I am pleased that one of our supporters took the step of reporting the matter to one of the Keepmoat stewards. Action was then taken by the stewarding team in order to control the situation, as you have indicated in your e-mail. Whilst this action was visible to you and others seated around you, you will be unaware that the matter was also being attended to from ‘behind the scenes’ within the hospitality boxes area. I have looked into this matter this morning and discussed it with the relevant members of the club’s Commercial Team, and I can assure you that as soon as the information about the incident was referred to our Commercial Team, action was taken from within to curb the behaviour to which you have referred.
Such incidents are rare, thankfully, and will always be handled in an appropriate manner jointly by the stadium Safety Officer’s Team and the club’s officials. A specialist stewarding team operates within the Hospitality Boxes and Restaurant area, and the members of this team are ‘well-versed’ in dealing with any incident in the appropriate manner (as has happened in this case). This means that the stewards who operate within the other seating areas of the stadium are not withdrawn from their posts amongst the crowd, and this is probably the message which some stewards were trying to explain in their reference to ‘jurisdiction’.

The club actively encourages supporters to report any behavioural concern to the stewards. If it is ever necessary to do so, stewards will act accordingly under the direction of the Stadium Safety Officer and senior members of his team. I am confident that the recording of this whole incident will be detailed in the Safety Officer’s log for last night’s game, and I can assure you that we will continue to work as a team to minimize any crowd activity which causes distress for other spectators within the stadium.

Once again, on behalf of the club, I am sorry that you were subjected to such an unpleasant incident, but I thank you for handling the matter in the appropriate way and allowing the correct authorities to deal with the situation.

Yours sincerely,

Charles

[jucyberry]

Put a pig in a posh sty and it will  still be a pig .....

[not on facebook]

should have strolled into the box and knocked fcuk out of it.

then during the talkdown as to why you did what you did

it woulld be apparant that 1...there are tits in the boxes

                            2....stewards and KMS policy needs
                            a rehaul.

                            3....tits in box will feal the shame.

[benaldo]

should have strolled into the box and knocked fcuk out of it.

then during the talkdown as to why you did what you did

it woulld be apparant that 1...there are tits in the boxes

                            2....stewards and KMS policy needs
                            a rehaul.

                            3....tits in box will feal the shame.

Jesus wept.............

[Spud]

Are these the same \"fans\" that were booing Diouf in the 1st half?

[ditch_drfc]

should have strolled into the box and knocked fcuk out of it.

then during the talkdown as to why you did what you did

it woulld be apparant that 1...there are tits in the boxes

                            2....stewards and KMS policy needs
                            a rehaul.

                            3....tits in box will feal the shame.

Jesus wept.............

That whole thing there including the reply just made me laugh! Mainly the response!

[Keenstonian]

If the Club wont do anything about this then I feel sure that the FA would.

[RedJ]

Are these the same \"fans\" that were booing Diouf in the 1st half?

It wasn't booing, it was \"DIOOOOOOOUUUFF\" - I know cos I was surrounded by and joined in with it.

[rover-n-out]

yes you are correct RedJ, people were chanting  DDIIOOOUUUFFF!! in appreciation, although to some it could have been misconstrued as booing.

[RoverandOut]

Thanks BigDonnyBob I agree with you totally. It's unfortunately the state of some people today that this happens and personally I just am thankfull that I was able to grow up to be not one of those people. On a positive side the 2 or 3 junior rovers that sit in front of you do get a number of really good life experiences that make it overall a great learning process to not turn into one of those unfortunate people. Thanks again for your concern, you are a credit to the club and society.

[Padge_DRFC]

Diouf probably thought it was booing he won't be used to having support.

[roverssam1879]

seeing this come up again since the leeds game has got me angry, i was sat in the west stand for the leeds match and was furious to see leeds fans that were in our end kicking off with the home support only to be removed from their seats and marched into the away end, surely for two reasons this is unacceptable behaviour by the stewards...

1- if that was a home supporter making a show and being abusive he or she would be asked to leave the stadium completely

2- if all the seats were sold out, then surley it was unsafe to allow more than the stands capacity within the away end... ?health and safety regs being broken ?

many more reasons its not right go hand in hand such as the atmosphere it caused seeing the leeds fans get away with it scot free. it turned the atmosphere completely and many fans were made to feel uncomfortable, some to the extreme in which case i saw 2 families leave before half time.


the KM stewards are inconsistant on many occasions, somthing needs to be done sooner than later as that type of behaviour is unacceptable,

[jmt]

Come off it, they were never gonna chuck jt out, he's the England captain.  :dry:

[bigdonnybob]

Brilliant, jmt

[benaldo]

What I find interesting is that if those leeds fans were thrown out there would probably be complaints about heavy handed stewarding and the silent majoritys of the leeds world would have got involved. I think the job of keeping order at football games must be a thankless one. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

I personally feel a policy of zero tolerance is a good one. Any racist, aggressive, behaviour/language should precipitate a swift and steady ejection from the stadium, no questions asked until it is investiagted and further action decided upon. And all proved racist spectators should be banned for life and criminally prosecuted. Racism really is shit.

[Mr1Croft]

What I find interesting is that if those leeds fans were thrown out there would probably be complaints about heavy handed stewarding and the silent majoritys of the leeds world would have got involved. I think the job of keeping order at football games must be a thankless one. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

I personally feel a policy of zero tolerance is a good one. Any racist, aggressive, behaviour/language should precipitate a swift and steady ejection from the stadium, no questions asked until it is investiagted and further action decided upon. And all proved racist spectators should be banned for life and criminally prosecuted. Racism really is shit.

[/b]

One man stands up and shouts abuse at the ref, another shouts racial abuse at a player.
300 fans begin singing \"The Referee's a w*nker\", 300 different fans sing a very racist and abusive song at a player.

From that scenario who should get ejected? All 602 fans? Probably, who gets ejected; the one who shouts racism and depending on the game your at maybe both individuals get thrown out.

Why do the 600 singers then get to remain in? Because there in numbers but they have in no way acted differently to the individuals.

I don't think anywhere is zero tolerance policy.

[benaldo]

To be quite honest crofty, while shouting \"w**ker\" at the referee might be hurtful and not nice, it pales into insignificance compared to any racist shouts doesn't it. Referees may from time to time be w**kers, but that in itself is not aggressive, it's not threatening is it? But to shout out racist words and thoughts to any race of person about their specific racial background is not only illegal, but really, really shit as a human being. It's something that, if you're non-white, you feel very deeply. It's hurtful, ignorant, wrong, illegal, shit, and should be hounded out of society.

So, in answer to your question, the 300 fans who chanted racist abuse should all have been thrown out en masse, banned (if proven) and prosecuted (if proven). It's like violence at football matches, it's just wrong. Get rid of the people who keep it going and it'll die.

[not on facebook]

going to put the cat amongst the pegions here

when man utd played at liverpool some week back a certian
gary neville was working in the sky ground side study passing
his comments on the game.

it was clear for all to hear as 100's of liverpool fans were in full
voice shouting 'gary neville is a Kitson is a Kitson is a Kitson the poor macn bas**rd'

there was no outcry from the media or the population after that game,not a single
word was said untill i typed this.

why no outcry?

no lets go onto the chelsea fans in genk tuesday nite who were shouting out
'we know what you are anton ferdinand we know what you are'

there is uproar in the media and across football fans forums about the chelsea fans choice
of words.

someone tell me where those words are racial? 'we know what you are'?
for sure we all think they are saying they know that he is a blackman'

but it could also mean 'we know you are a fibber'

so all the mongs are jumping over it as racial because thats what the mongs want
to hear.

when you listen to black music the word nigger,black etc etc is spouted out just about
on every track but n'owt is ever said/done about it?

very true from the 1970's onwards the racial thing is now on are minds and people in the main know how to act/behave,but what gets on my tits today is that its gone/going too
far with political correctness mongs going way over the top on certian issues.

[Spud]

Did hear \"DIOOOOUUUFFFF\" in the second half, sounded like booing in the first, ah well oops. Was it a response to the idiots then? Was coming from the same area.

Are these the same \"fans\" that were booing Diouf in the 1st half?

It wasn't booing, it was \"DIOOOOOOOUUUFF\" - I know cos I was surrounded by and joined in with it.

[silent majority]

What I find interesting is that if those leeds fans were thrown out there would probably be complaints about heavy handed stewarding and the silent majoritys of the leeds world would have got involved. I think the job of keeping order at football games must be a thankless one. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

I personally feel a policy of zero tolerance is a good one. Any racist, aggressive, behaviour/language should precipitate a swift and steady ejection from the stadium, no questions asked until it is investiagted and further action decided upon. And all proved racist spectators should be banned for life and criminally prosecuted. Racism really is shit.

Benaldo,

I'm assuming this is aimed at me?

If it is it just goes to show that you know absolutely nothing about me, what I stand for, how much work I have done for the 'Kick Racism Out' campaign, 'Level Playing Field' or any other organisation I belong to. And not only have I done this in this country but around the world too.

Carry on though, it just shows your ignorance.

[benaldo]

going to put the cat amongst the pegions here

when man utd played at liverpool some week back a certian
gary neville was working in the sky ground side study passing
his comments on the game.

it was clear for all to hear as 100's of liverpool fans were in full
voice shouting 'gary neville is a Kitson is a Kitson is a Kitson the poor macn bas**rd'

there was no outcry from the media or the population after that game,not a single
word was said untill i typed this.

why no outcry?

no lets go onto the chelsea fans in genk tuesday nite who were shouting out
'we know what you are anton ferdinand we know what you are'

there is uproar in the media and across football fans forums about the chelsea fans choice
of words.

someone tell me where those words are racial? 'we know what you are'?
for sure we all think they are saying they know that he is a blackman'

but it could also mean 'we know you are a fibber'

so all the mongs are jumping over it as racial because thats what the mongs want
to hear.

when you listen to black music the word nigger,black etc etc is spouted out just about
on every track but n'owt is ever said/done about it?

very true from the 1970's onwards the racial thing is now on are minds and people in the main know how to act/behave,but what gets on my tits today is that its gone/going too
far with political correctness mongs going way over the top on certian issues.

Oh dear................

[not on facebook]

going to put the cat amongst the pegions here

when man utd played at liverpool some week back a certian
gary neville was working in the sky ground side study passing
his comments on the game.

it was clear for all to hear as 100's of liverpool fans were in full
voice shouting 'gary neville is a Kitson is a Kitson is a Kitson the poor macn bas**rd'

there was no outcry from the media or the population after that game,not a single
word was said untill i typed this.

why no outcry?

no lets go onto the chelsea fans in genk tuesday nite who were shouting out
'we know what you are anton ferdinand we know what you are'

there is uproar in the media and across football fans forums about the chelsea fans choice
of words.

someone tell me where those words are racial? 'we know what you are'?
for sure we all think they are saying they know that he is a blackman'

but it could also mean 'we know you are a fibber'

so all the mongs are jumping over it as racial because thats what the mongs want
to hear.

when you listen to black music the word nigger,black etc etc is spouted out just about
on every track but n'owt is ever said/done about it?

very true from the 1970's onwards the racial thing is now on are minds and people in the main know how to act/behave,but what gets on my tits today is that its gone/going too
far with political correctness mongs going way over the top on certian issues.

Oh dear................

thats how i see things are panning out wrong or right

[roverssam1879]

What I find interesting is that if those leeds fans were thrown out there would probably be complaints about heavy handed stewarding and the silent majoritys of the leeds world would have got involved. I think the job of keeping order at football games must be a thankless one. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.[/b]
I personally feel a policy of zero tolerance is a good one. Any racist, aggressive, behaviour/language should precipitate a swift and steady ejection from the stadium, no questions asked until it is investiagted and further action decided upon. And all proved racist spectators should be banned for life and criminally prosecuted. Racism really is shit.

i could understand the heavy handed side of it but they were sat in the home end !if they said they were leeds fans at the ticket office the staff would refuse to sell them and quite rightly!

that is DOUBLE STANDARDS for sure !

[Adam]

Throw them out and then complain about attendances.