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Why is it that so many people are saying they wouldn't go even if they could afford to?That is so stupid. Just because you despise Leeds. I can't believe you wouldn't want to support rovers at a game. I'll remind anyone that said they won't go despite the price in the future when they moan about fans not going to games...
Quote from: \"ditch_drfc\" post=215172Why is it that so many people are saying they wouldn't go even if they could afford to?That is so stupid. Just because you despise Leeds. I can't believe you wouldn't want to support rovers at a game. I'll remind anyone that said they won't go despite the price in the future when they moan about fans not going to games...I go to every home game and as many away games as I can, I certainly don't moan about attendance. But cost is an issue having already spent £460 on my ST, then whatever I've spent on other games and extras. Therefore I am selective in my away attendance. The price is obviously an issue to many, and to be honest it is a rip-off. The main reason I am not going however is purely thus; I have never enjoyed it when I go to Bell-end road (even when we've won!), I don't like the match-day experience there, I don't like the majority of fans and there attitude, I don't like the treatment of away supporters (due to past experiences), I don't like the walk back to the car/station, I just don't like/enjoy it on a whole...[attachment=976]simples.jpg[/attachment]
Quote from: \"jonnydog\" post=215177Quote from: \"ditch_drfc\" post=215172Why is it that so many people are saying they wouldn't go even if they could afford to?That is so stupid. Just because you despise Leeds. I can't believe you wouldn't want to support rovers at a game. I'll remind anyone that said they won't go despite the price in the future when they moan about fans not going to games...I go to every home game and as many away games as I can, I certainly don't moan about attendance. But cost is an issue having already spent £460 on my ST, then whatever I've spent on other games and extras. Therefore I am selective in my away attendance. The price is obviously an issue to many, and to be honest it is a rip-off. The main reason I am not going however is purely thus; I have never enjoyed it when I go to Bell-end road (even when we've won!), I don't like the match-day experience there, I don't like the majority of fans and there attitude, I don't like the treatment of away supporters (due to past experiences), I don't like the walk back to the car/station, I just don't like/enjoy it on a whole...And silent majority it's not a stance that people are taking to lower prices when they have said they wouldn't go if it was cheaper... What happened to the stance we took against barnsley? Why can't we do that again?[/quote]If people are not going because they don't enjoy the match day experience then that's a pity. It is something we have been paying attention to for quite some time and believe me we have put a lot of effort into this, and we are seeing some results. But all that is a complex argument made up of many variables, including, prices, police, facilities, control and in many ways symptomatic of the 'sit down and shut up' attitude that prevails in a lot of football grounds these days.But Leeds and Elland Road is different because of who owns the club (well now he's admitted that he owns it!) and their attitude to the normal match going spectator. If any club knows how to treat its fans badly its that one. And then to compound the issue by moving the away fans into the dearest, and oldest, part of the stadium is one sure sign they are disconnected with their customers.The Barnsley scenario was different. The FSF and (parts of) the Trust at Barnsley had been telling the club for long enough that its pricing structure was wrong. Certain individuals at Barnsley had the ear of Patrick Cryne and so we felt that if we could demonstrate the level of discontent for those prices, especially the prices loaded against the away fans, then we would get a fair hearing, and it worked.We have absolutely no chance of doing the same at Leeds, Shaun Harvey and ultimately Ken Bates, don't listen to anybody.
Quote from: \"ditch_drfc\" post=215172Why is it that so many people are saying they wouldn't go even if they could afford to?That is so stupid. Just because you despise Leeds. I can't believe you wouldn't want to support rovers at a game. I'll remind anyone that said they won't go despite the price in the future when they moan about fans not going to games...I go to every home game and as many away games as I can, I certainly don't moan about attendance. But cost is an issue having already spent £460 on my ST, then whatever I've spent on other games and extras. Therefore I am selective in my away attendance. The price is obviously an issue to many, and to be honest it is a rip-off. The main reason I am not going however is purely thus; I have never enjoyed it when I go to Bell-end road (even when we've won!), I don't like the match-day experience there, I don't like the majority of fans and there attitude, I don't like the treatment of away supporters (due to past experiences), I don't like the walk back to the car/station, I just don't like/enjoy it on a whole...
Quote from: \"ditch_drfc\" post=215185Quote from: \"jonnydog\" post=215177Quote from: \"ditch_drfc\" post=215172Why is it that so many people are saying they wouldn't go even if they could afford to?That is so stupid. Just because you despise Leeds. I can't believe you wouldn't want to support rovers at a game. I'll remind anyone that said they won't go despite the price in the future when they moan about fans not going to games...I go to every home game and as many away games as I can, I certainly don't moan about attendance. But cost is an issue having already spent £460 on my ST, then whatever I've spent on other games and extras. Therefore I am selective in my away attendance. The price is obviously an issue to many, and to be honest it is a rip-off. The main reason I am not going however is purely thus; I have never enjoyed it when I go to Bell-end road (even when we've won!), I don't like the match-day experience there, I don't like the majority of fans and there attitude, I don't like the treatment of away supporters (due to past experiences), I don't like the walk back to the car/station, I just don't like/enjoy it on a whole...And silent majority it's not a stance that people are taking to lower prices when they have said they wouldn't go if it was cheaper... What happened to the stance we took against barnsley? Why can't we do that again?[/quote]If people are not going because they don't enjoy the match day experience then that's a pity. It is something we have been paying attention to for quite some time and believe me we have put a lot of effort into this, and we are seeing some results. But all that is a complex argument made up of many variables, including, prices, police, facilities, control and in many ways symptomatic of the 'sit down and shut up' attitude that prevails in a lot of football grounds these days.But Leeds and Elland Road is different because of who owns the club (well now he's admitted that he owns it!) and their attitude to the normal match going spectator. If any club knows how to treat its fans badly its that one. And then to compound the issue by moving the away fans into the dearest, and oldest, part of the stadium is one sure sign they are disconnected with their customers.The Barnsley scenario was different. The FSF and (parts of) the Trust at Barnsley had been telling the club for long enough that its pricing structure was wrong. Certain individuals at Barnsley had the ear of Patrick Cryne and so we felt that if we could demonstrate the level of discontent for those prices, especially the prices loaded against the away fans, then we would get a fair hearing, and it worked.We have absolutely no chance of doing the same at Leeds, Shaun Harvey and ultimately Ken Bates, don't listen to anybody.Fair enough. But is there no way, as a forum, a collective of fans can do something to lower the price? Surely if we all try and do what we did at Barnsley then it might work? I understand Bates won't listen though. I don't know what we can do, as i know nothing on the subject.So how many Fans will be going? Maybe that will be a big enough sign to them
Quote from: \"silent_majority\" post=215193Quote from: \"ditch_drfc\" post=215185Quote from: \"jonnydog\" post=215177Quote from: \"ditch_drfc\" post=215172Why is it that so many people are saying they wouldn't go even if they could afford to?That is so stupid. Just because you despise Leeds. I can't believe you wouldn't want to support rovers at a game. I'll remind anyone that said they won't go despite the price in the future when they moan about fans not going to games...I go to every home game and as many away games as I can, I certainly don't moan about attendance. But cost is an issue having already spent £460 on my ST, then whatever I've spent on other games and extras. Therefore I am selective in my away attendance. The price is obviously an issue to many, and to be honest it is a rip-off. The main reason I am not going however is purely thus; I have never enjoyed it when I go to Bell-end road (even when we've won!), I don't like the match-day experience there, I don't like the majority of fans and there attitude, I don't like the treatment of away supporters (due to past experiences), I don't like the walk back to the car/station, I just don't like/enjoy it on a whole...And silent majority it's not a stance that people are taking to lower prices when they have said they wouldn't go if it was cheaper... What happened to the stance we took against barnsley? Why can't we do that again?[/quote]If people are not going because they don't enjoy the match day experience then that's a pity. It is something we have been paying attention to for quite some time and believe me we have put a lot of effort into this, and we are seeing some results. But all that is a complex argument made up of many variables, including, prices, police, facilities, control and in many ways symptomatic of the 'sit down and shut up' attitude that prevails in a lot of football grounds these days.But Leeds and Elland Road is different because of who owns the club (well now he's admitted that he owns it!) and their attitude to the normal match going spectator. If any club knows how to treat its fans badly its that one. And then to compound the issue by moving the away fans into the dearest, and oldest, part of the stadium is one sure sign they are disconnected with their customers.The Barnsley scenario was different. The FSF and (parts of) the Trust at Barnsley had been telling the club for long enough that its pricing structure was wrong. Certain individuals at Barnsley had the ear of Patrick Cryne and so we felt that if we could demonstrate the level of discontent for those prices, especially the prices loaded against the away fans, then we would get a fair hearing, and it worked.We have absolutely no chance of doing the same at Leeds, Shaun Harvey and ultimately Ken Bates, don't listen to anybody.Fair enough. But is there no way, as a forum, a collective of fans can do something to lower the price? Surely if we all try and do what we did at Barnsley then it might work? I understand Bates won't listen though. I don't know what we can do, as i know nothing on the subject.So how many Fans will be going? Maybe that will be a big enough sign to themI was at a meeting last Sunday and the board members of LUST (Leeds Utd Supporters Trust) and the Supporters club were all present. They said that travelling fans to Elland Road this season had fallen dramatically and that the club wasn't listening to them or anyone else. They are concerned because the away fans add to the atmosphere, so that less fans makes for a poorer match day experience which in turn means less home fans attend. Its a vicious circle. But KB doesn't care, he famously proposed that all fans should sit behind electrified fences, such is his view and opinion of the common supporter!And this is what the Cardiff fans thought of their trip to Elland Road earlier this season;http://www.fsf.org.uk/news/Bluebirds-walk-out-in-show-of-solidarity.php?id=added|desc|40|