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[Bristol Red Rover]

Any club that gets involved with Willie McKay as much as we did is morally bankrupt. Plus it shows how inept you are if you allow somebody with nothing to lose and can only gain (McKay) to be in charge of the most vital part of your business.

I gave you the chance to expand your point. From your answer it can only be assumed clear you have a single faceted take. You say the same thing on nearly every thread and often more than once - its mindless. Try engaging your brain next post.

[donnyroversfc]

I'm only speaking the truth. Our club as gone from being 'only a pub team having a laugh' to 'only a joke club not giving a shit'.

Anyone that supports the club with McKay in charge needs to take a good long look at themselves. You're all wrong btw, you'll regret not speaking up against McKays involvement in the club.

As i say, no sympathy.

[BobG]

No. But at least we had two thirds of the attack knackered and a squad that SOD himself knew to be too thin for this league. The unfortunate bit was that John took it upon himself to sign several players without reference to SOD and so knackered ther budget that SOD had to play with. Only one of those players has proved worth it - and even he got a contract from John that we are going to hugely regret now.  And the other thought to ask yourself is why didn't we let Billy go for 3 million when we could have, but let him go for 1.8 million a few short months later? SOD would have let him go and got in 4 or 5 decent players with that money to stengthen the squad depth.What did we do with only 60% of the money? Pissed it up a wall in the Crown in Bawtry and pissed it away on frequent flyer miles to and from France is what we did.

BobG

Sorry Wilts. That's not true. ROvers accepted the bid, yes. But then JR had his arm twisted - you can work out by whom - and did a deal with Billy. Ergo, Rovers  stopped the sale. And that, of course, was exactly not what SOD wanted to do.

BobG


Bob, the offer of £3m for BS was accepted in the summer - to the critisism of many people on this forum, it was Billy who didnt want to go.

These four or five players who would have come in would you like to name names? Presumably their total salary would have matched that of BS him being the only one leaving and the budget was set. There are clubs currently playing in League 1 who are paying their players more than we are.

[Red wizard]

No. But at least we had two thirds of the attack knackered and a squad that SOD himself knew to be too thin for this league. The unfortunate bit was that John took it upon himself to sign several players without reference to SOD and so knackered ther budget that SOD had to play with. Only one of those players has proved worth it - and even he got a contract from John that we are going to hugely regret now.  And the other thought to ask yourself is why didn't we let Billy go for 3 million when we could have, but let him go for 1.8 million a few short months later? SOD would have let him go and got in 4 or 5 decent players with that money to stengthen the squad depth.What did we do with only 60% of the money? Pissed it up a wall in the Crown in Bawtry and pissed it away on frequent flyer miles to and from France is what we did.

BobG

Sorry Wilts. That's not true. ROvers accepted the bid, yes. But then JR had his arm twisted - you can work out by whom - and did a deal with Billy. Ergo, Rovers  stopped the sale. And that, of course, was exactly not what SOD wanted to do.

BobG


Bob, the offer of £3m for BS was accepted in the summer - to the critisism of many people on this forum, it was Billy who didnt want to go.

These four or five players who would have come in would you like to name names? Presumably their total salary would have matched that of BS him being the only one leaving and the budget was set. There are clubs currently playing in League 1 who are paying their players more than we are.

How do you know all this Bob?

[BobG]

Because I'm older than most and know both who to talk to and how to do it.

BobG

[WBDRFC]

On a scale of 1-10 how morally bankrupt is our club?


The world works in mysterious ways that alwyas ends up with getting what you deserve. The club got exactly that. No sympathy.

Morally bankrupt on what basis? What clubs would you say score in the lower end of moral bankruptcy?

The last sentence - every one, every organisation, will have their highs and lows, and easy to attribute lows to "deserves". Though in terms of get what you deserve, lets take one of the extreme cases in English football - MK Dons?

Any club that gets involved with Willie McKay as much as we did is morally bankrupt. Plus it shows how inept you are if you allow somebody with nothing to lose and can only gain (McKay) to be in charge of the most vital part of your business.

Without some drastic action, such as bringing in McKay, the club could easily become financially bankrupt. I would rather forgo some morals if it means Rovers stay in business.

[BobG]

Sorry WBD. That's just plain wrong. We face a more imminent prospect of financial crisis now than under just about any alternative scenario you care to mention.

I agree we are where we are - and we have to deal with things as tyhey are. But don't forget, underlying all this is ambition beyond any reasonable expectation of achievement, and, therefore, disastrous decision making over the last several years.

BobG

[WBDRFC]

Sorry WBD. That's just plain wrong. We face a more imminent prospect of financial crisis now than under just about any alternative scenario you care to mention.

I agree we are where we are - and we have to deal with things as tyhey are. But don't forget, underlying all this is ambition beyond any reasonable expectation of achievement, and, therefore, disastrous decision making over the last several years.

BobG

I agree that the financial situation has not improved, and I don't think the experiment with McKay has worked. But I understand the aims behind it, and the need to slash the wage bill. It just hasn't had the desired effect.

There was a chance it would work (or at least JR thought there would be), and so it worth trying, even it meant it didn't fit it with people's morals. JR must have been in a desperate situation to be persuaded to go along with it.

[wilts rover]

No. But at least we had two thirds of the attack knackered and a squad that SOD himself knew to be too thin for this league. The unfortunate bit was that John took it upon himself to sign several players without reference to SOD and so knackered ther budget that SOD had to play with. Only one of those players has proved worth it - and even he got a contract from John that we are going to hugely regret now.  And the other thought to ask yourself is why didn't we let Billy go for 3 million when we could have, but let him go for 1.8 million a few short months later? SOD would have let him go and got in 4 or 5 decent players with that money to stengthen the squad depth.What did we do with only 60% of the money? Pissed it up a wall in the Crown in Bawtry and pissed it away on frequent flyer miles to and from France is what we did.

BobG

Sorry Wilts. That's not true. ROvers accepted the bid, yes. But then JR had his arm twisted - you can work out by whom - and did a deal with Billy. Ergo, Rovers  stopped the sale. And that, of course, was exactly not what SOD wanted to do.

BobG


Bob, the offer of £3m for BS was accepted in the summer - to the critisism of many people on this forum, it was Billy who didnt want to go.

These four or five players who would have come in would you like to name names? Presumably their total salary would have matched that of BS him being the only one leaving and the budget was set. There are clubs currently playing in League 1 who are paying their players more than we are.

Sorry Bob you are going to have to enlighten me here. So JR is not the main decision maker at Rovers (despite signing any player he wants and whether or not the manager wants them) but who is the mystery arm twister. Lets rule out who it isn't. It can't be O'Driscoll, in fact exactly the opposite, he wants Sharp away. It can't be MacKay, he only deals in foreign players, in fact Sharp going would allow him to bring in 5 of them, and O'Driscoll wont deal with him anyay. It can't be Terry Bramall as he has already pulled out from any meaningful influence and certainly is not going to fund any increase for Sharp. Unlikely to be Dick Watson as he is known for supporting Ryan's decisions rather than forming them. So who does that leave, crikey Steve Uttley and Mickey Walker have a lot more influence than I thought. When there is an elephant in the room - there's usually an elephant in the room.

Whe the season started there was real optomism, based around BS, that we would have a team challenging near the top of the league, if not the play-offs. We saw that at Brighton. What we also saw at Brighton, although we didn't want to admit it, was a team that was porous in midfield, without a dominant centre-half never mind two of them, a young inexperienced keeper and a paper-thin squad, the majority of whom were not up to this standard and who revolved the bench with the treatment room. All this on the bigest ever budget.
SOD worked wonders at getting players to play beyond their ability for two seasons. Unfortunately the magic wand broke and the emperor's clothes fell off. We are where we are and why we are, your source will tell you that.

Clear out the deadwood and start again with some younger, hungerier players, if they are from Outer Mongolia, Inner Barnsley or Willie MacKay's backyard, I dont care. So long as they want to play for DRFC on £3 a week. If anyone in their right mind believes that we can do that wthout using football agents, go back to reading your old Roy of the Rovers before the nurse comes to tuck you in.