King Richard The Third..........

[hoolahoop]

Following the stroke of both luck and hard research in finding our long lost king , is there now an argument for burying him in our county ? discuss.......
Frankly I'm gobsmacked that this is the first thread on this topic. 

[Belle Vue Popside]

I just feel sorry for Peter Odemwingie in all this. He never even got chance to pick up his award for 'Longest Time Spent In A Carpark' before Richard III cruely took it away from him!

[hoolahoop]

I just feel sorry for Peter Odemwingie in all this. He never even got chance to pick up his award for 'Longest Time Spent In A Carpark' before Richard III cruely took it away from him!

Take it you can't be arsed about the story at all then BVP ?

[GM-MarkB]

I thought the report said they'd found a Richard the Third in a car park....dirty boy !

[Belle Vue Popside]

I just feel sorry for Peter Odemwingie in all this. He never even got chance to pick up his award for 'Longest Time Spent In A Carpark' before Richard III cruely took it away from him!

Take it you can't be arsed about the story at all then BVP ?

I've not really heard much about the story in all honesty. Sure it's interesting stuff though!

[phllvslc]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-21336248

It seems the dig was only undertaken on the understanding that if they found him, he would be buried in Leicester.  But York is fighting hard to have him buried there.

[idler]

He was possibly nowhere near as bad as he was painted so maybe now his remains have been found we might get a more balanced view.
I'd like to see him buried at York personally.

[wilts rover]

Sorry I disagree, who wants to be associated with losers? And it would set a bad precedent - just think about who the current incumbent is and if you really want to be associated with him?

[hoolahoop]

He was possibly nowhere near as bad as he was painted so maybe now his remains have been found we might get a more balanced view.
I'd like to see him buried at York personally.

So would I most of the charges laid at him have been now debunked and the rest are purely circumstantial at best.
We also have to remember all the good things that his one and only parliament of 1484 managed to put into statute mainly :-

Use & Fine Statutes
Introduction of bail (incl. not having possessions sequested pending trial)
Anti-corruption measures for juries/judges
Protection of English trade measures.

Imagine what he might have achieved given more time, Remember he was the ''Protector of the North'' and took that very seriously.

[hoolahoop]

Sorry I disagree, who wants to be associated with losers? And it would set a bad precedent - just think about who the current incumbent is and if you really want to be associated with him?

Come on wilts set out your argument properly you usually do. Btw what has the current Duke of Gloucester got to do with Richard 3 ? 

[Dagenham Rover]

I did hear a rumour that NCP had sent a bill to Buckingham Palace for £1.2 million 

[hoolahoop]

I did hear a rumour that NCP had sent a bill to Buckingham Palace for £1.2 million 

I knew we would get these daft jokes , please can we get them out of the way then discuss things on here.
Btw any remaining distasteful Saville jokes aren't wanted.
Sorry John , I'm just trying to see if we want one of our kings buried in our great county. Upto now they have all been buried in the South bar the odd one. It's time our great Minster was graced with a royal burial befitting it's status as the 2nd most important cathedral in the country and it would be right that the last king of the House of York was buried here not in bloody Leicester where he was humiliated.

[Dagenham Rover]

 Couldn't resist.

I agree (as I posted on poy) get him into York Minster, but there was something said on the news at dinnertime that a condition of the excavation happening was that if it proved to be Richard he would be reburied in Leicester, totally disregarding  what it appears Richard wanted

[hoolahoop]

Couldn't resist.

I agree (as I posted on poy) get him into York Minster, but there was something said on the news at dinnertime that a condition of the excavation happening was that if it proved to be Richard he would be reburied in Leicester, totally disregarding  what it appears Richard wanted

And royal precedents it seems who the bloody hell agreed to that ? So we will have a multi-faith service in a 'low' C of E cathedral rather than burying him where he most likely would have wanted.........bloody nonsense. It appears that most of the costs were met by academics and the Richard 3 societies anyway not the Leicester council who originally said that they hadn't got the spare money to put 3 trenches in a car park ! The excavation was off until folk from all over the world made last minute donations to fund the project and to tidy up the area after the excavations have finished.
YORK IT SHOULD BE

[jucyberry]

Ah but Daggers, you should know.. Rights and wants will always come second to a good money spinner.. Theres no way they will give him up and send him home, he has ceased to be a person, he is a TOURIST ATTRACTION.

[Filo]

Edwin King of the Northumbrians, killed in the battle of Hatfield Chase is reputed to have been buried in Sherwood Forest at a place called Edwinstowe, I think that is the most Northerly location of a Kings grave

[coventryrover]

hamlet, jesus, peter pan and oliver twist were also found in the same car parl....it was a multi story carpark 

[hoolahoop]

Edwin King of the Northumbrians, killed in the battle of Hatfield Chase is reputed to have been buried in Sherwood Forest at a place called Edwinstowe, I think that is the most Northerly location of a Kings grave

I think you're right King John is at Worcester and that's the furthest north it goes providing you ignore  some of the Danish kings who were buried in Denmark i.e. Svein Forkbeard. It seems the North/South divide has always existed even in this area. Most burials in the last 1500 years have been either in Westminster, Winchester or France with some of the Hanoverians and Danes in Germany and Denmark respectively.
He belongs in York and I can see this argument intensifying ....

[hoolahoop]

hamlet, jesus, peter pan and oliver twist were also found in the same car parl....it was a multi story carpark 

What's a car parl  ? Thought I might ask seeing as you don't want to get involved in an interesting discussion

[Filo]

Edwin King of the Northumbrians, killed in the battle of Hatfield Chase is reputed to have been buried in Sherwood Forest at a place called Edwinstowe, I think that is the most Northerly location of a Kings grave

I think you're right King John is at Worcester and that's the furthest north it goes providing you ignore  some of the Danish kings who were buried in Denmark i.e. Svein Forkbeard. It seems the North/South divide has always existed even in this area. Most burials in the last 1500 years have been either in Westminster, Winchester or France with some of the Hanoverians and Danes in Germany and Denmark respectively.
He belongs in York and I can see this argument intensifying ....

Richard III father was born at Conisbrough Castle, so you could make a case for his burial there

[hoolahoop]

Edwin King of the Northumbrians, killed in the battle of Hatfield Chase is reputed to have been buried in Sherwood Forest at a place called Edwinstowe, I think that is the most Northerly location of a Kings grave

I think you're right King John is at Worcester and that's the furthest north it goes providing you ignore  some of the Danish kings who were buried in Denmark i.e. Svein Forkbeard. It seems the North/South divide has always existed even in this area. Most burials in the last 1500 years have been either in Westminster, Winchester or France with some of the Hanoverians and Danes in Germany and Denmark respectively.
He belongs in York and I can see this argument intensifying ....

Richard III father was born at Conisbrough Castle, so you could make a case for his burial there

Now I never knew that and feel as though I should have. Did you know it was once owned by King Harold and the name means ''home of the king'' or summat like that.

[Filo]

Edwin King of the Northumbrians, killed in the battle of Hatfield Chase is reputed to have been buried in Sherwood Forest at a place called Edwinstowe, I think that is the most Northerly location of a Kings grave

I think you're right King John is at Worcester and that's the furthest north it goes providing you ignore  some of the Danish kings who were buried in Denmark i.e. Svein Forkbeard. It seems the North/South divide has always existed even in this area. Most burials in the last 1500 years have been either in Westminster, Winchester or France with some of the Hanoverians and Danes in Germany and Denmark respectively.
He belongs in York and I can see this argument intensifying ....

Richard III father was born at Conisbrough Castle, so you could make a case for his burial there

Now I never knew that and feel as though I should have. Did you know it was once owned by King Harold and the name means ''home of the king'' or summat like that.

The castle in it`s present structure was built by a Plantganet on the site of a Norman castle, before the Norman Conquest King Harold held the manor of Conisbrough

[BobG]

I'd stick him i Westminster Abbey. With a bloody great sarcophagus. And in a place that overlooks the bloody Tudors. Show the cheating buggers they can't win in the end.

BobG

[Filo]

I'd stick him i Westminster Abbey. With a bloody great sarcophagus. And in a place that overlooks the bloody Tudors. Show the cheating buggers they can't win in the end.

BobG

Aye, stick him on top of Henry Tudor!

[wilts rover]

Richard was born at Fotheringay in Northamptonshire (where Mary Queen of Scots lost her head) so I guess they would have a good claim as well then? In my opinon he should be buried at Bosworth where he fell in battle, which is where most of the men who fought with him will be, as from that point on he ceased to be a king and have a say in where he should be buried.

For those who are arguing that he should be in York is this because you think people from Yorkshire supported him. The House of York had land all over, as did Lancaster, I am sure I read once that more people from Yorkshire fought for Lancaster and vice versa.

Wernt the Northumbrian kings buried in Northumbria. Isn't Yeavering supposed to be one site, and Tynemouth? I know some Mercian kings along with a few Viking ones are at Repton in Nottinghamshire.

[wilts rover]

I'd stick him i Westminster Abbey. With a bloody great sarcophagus. And in a place that overlooks the bloody Tudors. Show the cheating buggers they can't win in the end.

BobG

With all the other French lot you mean? The English ones are in Winchester.

[hoolahoop]

I'd stick him i Westminster Abbey. With a bloody great sarcophagus. And in a place that overlooks the bloody Tudors. Show the cheating buggers they can't win in the end.

BobG

Aye, stick him on top of Henry Tudor!

Better still kick the Welsh t**t out clean it out , extend it somewhat and put Henry VII back in the car park...........let Leicester have him. That's if we can't have a Northern burial of one of our monarchs.

Let me get this right his father was born in Yorkshire, his son is buried here, his wife's family came from this area, he spent most of his life in the region, he was tutored as a child here, spent a fortune in York which from all accounts was his desired resting place and yet ............he is going to bloody Leicester where he was treated like shite. Bizarre, someone hasn't thought this one out at all..

[hoolahoop]

Edwin King of the Northumbrians, killed in the battle of Hatfield Chase is reputed to have been buried in Sherwood Forest at a place called Edwinstowe, I think that is the most Northerly location of a Kings grave

I think you're right King John is at Worcester and that's the furthest north it goes providing you ignore  some of the Danish kings who were buried in Denmark i.e. Svein Forkbeard. It seems the North/South divide has always existed even in this area. Most burials in the last 1500 years have been either in Westminster, Winchester or France with some of the Hanoverians and Danes in Germany and Denmark respectively.
He belongs in York and I can see this argument intensifying ....

Richard III father was born at Conisbrough Castle, so you could make a case for his burial there

Now I never knew that and feel as though I should have. Did you know it was once owned by King Harold and the name means ''home of the king'' or summat like that.

The castle in it`s present structure was built by a Plantganet on the site of a Norman castle, before the Norman Conquest King Harold held the manor of Conisbrough

Sorry Filo you are quite correct.

[Filo]

Given that Richard III was a pre reformation monarch, and thus a catholic, should he really be buried in an Anglican cathedral?


I`m sure that he would n`t have wanted to be buried in a faith that was created by a Tudor

[hoolahoop]

Given that Richard III was a pre reformation monarch, and thus a catholic, should he really be buried in an Anglican cathedral?


I`m sure that he would n`t have wanted to be buried in a faith that was created by a Tudor

Funny that I was thinking that and apparently contemporary accounts at the time stress just how religious he was and of course he did authorise that the bible could be printed in English. York would still probably be ok because it is considered to be 'high' C of E in the way that services etc are carried out . However burying him in the soulless city of his eventual torment surrounded by imigrants doesn't seem right to me.
Have you filled the petition in yet ?