IDS wikki page..spot the truth

[jucyberry]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iain_Duncan_Smith

Had to chuckle, check out his profession.. Never a truer word written..

[BobG]

Assuming the Wki entry is accurate, I'm glad to see that, like so many of his colleagues, he appears to be both a liar and a cheat. Funny that.

BobG

[jucyberry]

I'd say the fact that the bas**rd is a bell end is the only truth on the whole page personally.. And let's face it, that is an insult to perfectly good bell ends in itsself..

[Filo]

The arrogant tory t**t says he can live on £53 a week, well there`s an online petetion challenging him to live on that amount at the link below



https://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/iain-duncan-smith-iain-duncan-smith-to-live-on-53-a-week

[wing commander]

   Well i for one am all for it...I am sick and bloody tired working my whole life to call in the pub after work for a swift one to see the same old faces sat there drinking there benefits..It's been out of control for too long and i'm pleased there getting a grip of it....I notice none of you seer the problem with that waste of space Bob Crowe earning £140,000 a year but still living in a council house as it is his right..Not so shy about his fleet of cars or his many holidays every year though is he...
    I for one am sick of paying for the very large percentage of people sat on there arses doing nothing because there bone bloody idol......

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

The truth is he bloody well can live on that.

This isn't £53 a week to pay the bills the £53 is after rent and bills.  £53 a week for one person to live on should not be a problem at all.  Geez when I was a student I'd have loved £53 a week I barely had that left in a month after paying bills.

Yet Juicy calls him a bell end.  And for what?  Telling the truth it looks like to me.

[wing commander]

Well said mate......I actually had a row with a bloke last week who was crying about this..He firmly believe it's his entitlement to do the same as he has done for the last 10 years..Which is nothing at all
   It truly amazes me that some of these people firmly believe that the goverment should pay for everything they want...He was moaning that because he had a four bedroom house on the state and only had one child he was now being taxed for it and he was being robbed...He isn't ill,he hasn't lifted a finger in years and spends his days watching racing in the pub with a lucky 15....
   However you know you cant win arguments with people like that as when i asked why he didn't swap for a 3 bedroom house instead he just said didn't want to lose the massive garden that comes with it....

[Glyn_Wigley]

The truth is he bloody well can live on that.

This isn't £53 a week to pay the bills the £53 is after rent and bills.  £53 a week for one person to live on should not be a problem at all.  Geez when I was a student I'd have loved £53 a week I barely had that left in a month after paying bills.

Yet Juicy calls him a bell end.  And for what?  Telling the truth it looks like to me.

So £18 a week pays for electricity, gas, water, council tax, tv licence etc.? I've love to know who your energy suppliers are, they sound a bargain!

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

The guy said he had £53 a week after he paid his bills though and that's a week not month, gives him £212 a month after his bills - pretty decent money that.

[Glyn_Wigley]

The guy said he had £53 a week after he paid his bills though and that's a week not month, gives him £212 a month after his bills - pretty decent money that.

Don't know who 'this guy' is and don't care who 'this guy' is. For me to have £53 a week to spend just on food, everything else would have to be paid with £18 per week. Still think it's 'pretty decent money'?

[jucyberry]

Well that's a miracle then because the reality for hundreds of thousands is a completely different thing.

there is an assumption that people receiving benefits just plop down from a another planet. They don't.. When life goes belly up they will have had commitments that have to be met, contracts they are tied into and perhaps payments for things bought when things were going well.. You can't just say oh sorry I'm not going to pay any more, you have to or incur court costs ect.

People already struggling wont be paying for their gas and electric four times a year, they will be on payment keys, these cost far more than getting your gas and electric by quarterly bill.. life is a grind every day..

Now Andy, you are a bright boy, you worked hard , used your clever brain, went to uni and have done well for your self. I'm glad you did, pleased for you that you are able to do what you wanted and are in a career I presume you enjoy, but for many, may reasons not everybody can do that. It does not make them lesser people... Some times you can have all that and then in an instant lose it. for every high flier there are ten that fly just under the radar, benefits are paid to those in necessary but crap paid jobs are these people worthless?

Yes I do think he is a cock end, nothing anyone says will change my mind on that one. We now have a report stating that the government is toying with the idea of freezing the minimum wage.. What comes after that?

Gidieot says  ‘For too long, we’ve had a system where people who did the right thing – who get up in the morning and work hard – felt penalised for it, while people who did the wrong thing got rewarded for it.'

he is attacking, the low paid worker, the disabled, the men and women coming home with terrible disabilities from Afghanistan, the carers... Yet all the majority can see is the 'scrounger with the 50" flat screen tv. those are the minority.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Yet all the majority can see is the 'scrounger with the 50" flat screen tv. those are the minority.

And usually those getting money from other places than just the benefits, whether on the black market or on the rob, but people see them as assume all of us have that lifestyle.

Unless, of course, they're like me and bought their nice telly when they were still working...

[jucyberry]

Exactly Glyn, but that isn't what they want to hear is it because it is so much more satisfying to feel the warm glow of superiority.

The reality is, paying the basics and then with what is left buying food.. Not clothes, not shoes, not treats, not bus fares, nothing. Anyone who is doing otherwise is either jigging the system or is an addict.. Addicts beg steal and or borrow to get their fix, food becomes a secondary.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Ah come off it, I know people better off than me and they've never worked a day in their life.  And I'm definitely not elitist or particularly well paid and I also have plenty of times survived on £53 a week.  In fact if you looked at the spending I need now, after the bills I could easily survive on less than £53 a week, easily if I had to.  Though that discounts the cost of driving, which if I was unemployed I obviously wouldn't have anyway.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Ah come off it, I know people better off than me and they've never worked a day in their life.  And I'm definitely not elitist or particularly well paid and I also have plenty of times survived on £53 a week.  In fact if you looked at the spending I need now, after the bills I could easily survive on less than £53 a week, easily if I had to.  Though that discounts the cost of driving, which if I was unemployed I obviously wouldn't have anyway.

You're missing the point. I could live on £53 a week after bills.

But I haven't got £53 a week after bills. This £53 figure is b*llocks.

How much a week do you think electricity, gas, water and council tax costs?

[wing commander]

  Juicy Berry...Thats why when we had some labouring Jobs going (above minimum wage) more people didnt actually turn up for a interview than did...They certainly sound keen when there sat next to the lady in the job shop who has the power to take away there benefits if there not actively looking for work..Strangely that enthusiasm to better themselves seems to leave them when they walk out the job centre door....Some even had the bloody nerve to ring me up to cancel but asked if the job centre rang "could i tell them i attended but wasn't successfull"

 It's all a matter of opinion but the fact that Incapacity benefit claimants has been reduced by a third because they dont want to do the medical they introduced say's it all on just how much of a minority benefit fiddleing really is..

[Glyn_Wigley]

The guy said he had £53 a week after he paid his bills though and that's a week not month, gives him £212 a month after his bills - pretty decent money that.

He hasn't said that at all, he said that's what he has to live on - BILLS INCLUDED - after the changes to Housing Benefit and Council Tax Benefit have left him even worse off.

Still think it's a 'pretty decent amount' that's piss-simple to live on?

[Glyn_Wigley]

  Juicy Berry...Thats why when we had some labouring Jobs going (above minimum wage) more people didnt actually turn up for a interview than did...They certainly sound keen when there sat next to the lady in the job shop who has the power to take away there benefits if there not actively looking for work..Strangely that enthusiasm to better themselves seems to leave them when they walk out the job centre door....Some even had the bloody nerve to ring me up to cancel but asked if the job centre rang "could i tell them i attended but wasn't successfull"

 It's all a matter of opinion but the fact that Incapacity benefit claimants has been reduced by a third because they dont want to do the medical they introduced say's it all on just how much of a minority benefit fiddleing really is..

Well, I have to say that makes me being clobbered so much easier to bear.

[jucyberry]

it is also pretty disingenuous to quote the figures shown without looking deeper into them.. There are many reasons for not going to a medical, in the twelve weeks +you wait to be called you might get better, it is within the realms of possibility after all.. You might especially in the case of mentally ill decide that you cannot take going through the system again.. You could, looking on the truly bleak side have died.

I'm not saying there aren't people who don't ant to work, all I'm saying is they are far fewer than the government want you to believe.

[wing commander]

    There are cases like that but only a couple of percent....My friend is disabled and is a active campaigner of disabled rights...He actually thinks its a great thing because he's sick of not getting into spaces meant for him because someone he calls a "cashpoint cripple" with a blue badge parks in them and wanders of down the shop,happy as a lark...
   
     The tougher we get on the welfare system the better and in time will actually mean more of the money can go to the people who deserve it rather than those who think it's a easy way to get by without lifting a finger..However i think we will have to agree to disagree on this subject..lol politics the route of all evil..lol

[Glyn_Wigley]

The guy said he had £53 a week after he paid his bills though and that's a week not month, gives him £212 a month after his bills - pretty decent money that.

He hasn't said that at all, he said that's what he has to live on - BILLS INCLUDED - after the changes to Housing Benefit and Council Tax Benefit have left him even worse off.

Still think it's a 'pretty decent amount' that's piss-simple to live on?

Do we get an answer then?

[South West Rover]

I believe that Big Fat Yorkshire pudding is in fact correct.  The £53 is after housing costs.  A decent amount really.  You would have a very basic existence sure, but it is do-able non the less.  Plenty of incentive to attempt to get back to work and earn a little more....

[Filo]

If it`s that easy, and IDS has stated he`s been on the "breadline" before, twice, because he was unemployed, it makes you wonder why he`s dismissed the petition as a stunt, it should be a breeze to an experienced breadliner like him, imagine the PR the tories would gain if IDS demonstrated to us all how it could be done!

Time to lead by example I say!

[Glyn_Wigley]

I believe that Big Fat Yorkshire pudding is in fact correct.  The £53 is after housing costs.  A decent amount really.  You would have a very basic existence sure, but it is do-able non the less.  Plenty of incentive to attempt to get back to work and earn a little more....

After Housing Benefit but not after non-food bills. Even the Daily Mail reports it as net income.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2302343/Iain-Duncan-Smith-defends-welfare-cuts-I-live-53-week.html

Still think it's doable?

And you can shove your patronising 'incentive to get back to work' crap where the sun don't shine. I don't want to be unemployed, I've never wanted to be unemployed. But I am. The last thing I need is smug people telling me I need to be punished as an incentive to find work thank you. What I want is a job, not sneers.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Glyn

Good luck with the job searching. You of course, are one of the very many hundreds of thousands who desperately want work. Those are the ones now being hit by these Kitsons.

We've had a softening-up job done on us for years by the Tory Press running their stories about skivers and scroungers. But for every one of them (and I hate the real scroungers with a vengeance) there are 50 like you. There are 2 million currently in the dole who worked bloody hard before the big crash. They are not scroungers and it is a f**king disgrace that they are being labelled that way. And that trite comments like "this will encourage people to get off their arse and find work" are trotted out by people who have been lucky enough not to lose their job.

The Tories are doing what they have done for decades. f**k all over the working class, then blame THEM for being the problem. George Orwell wrote about exactly the same thing in the 1930s, when the Tory Govt had no idea how to end the Great Depression and mass unemployment, so they vilified those on the dole as idle scroungers, cut benefits and set the lucky in-work people against those without work.

Same old piss in an 80 year old bottle. They've spent years pushing the idea of scroungers at us not because they think we have a big problem with scroungers. It's because they detest the concept of a system that looks after decent, hard-working people who get the shitty end of the deal. They want to use this to drive down wages and make people more employable because they firmly believe that over-priced workers are the cause of our current unemployment problem. They will not and cannot accept that unemployment could be solved within 2 years if they sorted out the problem of lack of demand in the economy.

[BillyStubbsTears]

PS. IDS is most definitely NOT a bell-end. He is a determined and focused right-wing ideologue. He is one if the most right-wing cabinet ministers we've had since the War. He is determined to roll back welfare and expose the most vulnerable to the pressures of the Market. And he does it under the cloak of claiming to have their best interests at heart.

Nye Bevan called the Tories "lower than vermin" 60 years ago. He would have been at a loss for words to describe IDS.

[Glyn_Wigley]

There used to be a time when governments tried to redistribute wealth to the poorest in the country in order to help them subsist.

Now we've got a government who wants to redistribute debt to them.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Right on cue. The most disgusting, repulsive shit rag in Britain uses the murder of 6 kids to stick the boot into the Welfare State



Are there words obscene enough to sum up how f***ing abominable the Daily Mail is? They campaigned to stop Jewish refugees from Hitler finding refuge here in the 30s. They haven't changed one f***ing jot in the past 80 years. Utterly beyond contempt.

Every time you read anything in that paper with a political slant to it, remember that picture. Six kids' lives snuffed out by a perverted sociopath. And Paul Dacre decides to use their faces to justify an attack on the Welfare State.

[RobTheRover]

Unbelievable

Thats the lowest, even for The Mail.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Rob

No it's not. It is EXACTLY what I'd expect from the bas**rds. They don't give a shit about the kids who died. They use them to twist readers' emotions for the Mail's own political purpose.

Like someone said on the radio this morning, was Harold Shipman the vile product of Middle Class Britain? Of course he wasn't. He was a deranged individual who was representative of no-one but Harold Shipman. Just the same as Mick Philpott is an evil deranged individual representative of no-one but himself.

But the Mail will use him to slur the entire Welfare State and anyone who receives benefits.