Thoughts on the level of violence and corruption in football

[theacademic]

Thanks to those of you that completed my recent gambling survey. Whilst I am analysing the results, I am also interested in what you make of the levels of corruption and violence associated with football in recent years? The survey is anonymous and can be found at: http://www.topfan.co.uk

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[NickDRFC]

Oslo's thoughts on the first part might be of interest.

[not on facebook]

Oslo's thoughts on the first part might be of interest.

i looked at what that dutch think tank thinks on subject Of FV.

they came out with quotes like 'FV was to Help counter lifestyle boredom and lads involved had careers as boring and unchallanging'

Well from my part i caught up in FV because i was born
Within in in the mid 1960s and by time i left school FV was up and running and i type Of fell into it.

When i think back it seems to me as Thou it was part Of a culture thing,just like punk scene but FV had longer lasting legs.

as for saying that hooligans had boring and unchallenging careers i beg to differ.

Ok some chaps had no Jobs at all,some were changing Jobs like girlfriends and some were Well established within massive companys as white collar workers.

I think FV came about because Police were not in controll back then,unlike today where plod are the top
Firm out there as they are Well on top these days.

When these plums have done surveys on FV and come
Out with This and that reason for the cause it makes me laugh,as in my book they should have got Their hands dirty first thrn come to a conclusion.

They have never hit on the full asspect as they seem to think that FV just related around matchdays,as it never went into the other 5 or 6 days Of the week When no football was on or Even non football season.

Lads would meet up in the pubs what ever day or night
Which help build up bonds that still last today some 20 years after we was all very active.

Once trusted allways trusted is a good way to put it

[bigbadjack]

Any stories to tell Oslo? Of those days?

[not on facebook]

Any stories to tell Oslo? Of those days?

have them by the bucket load fella,but dont think Its a good idea to drag the VSC name down and what it
stands for.

Would upset far too many normal rovers chaps on Here i guess

[RobTheRover]

One day, Oslo will write the book, I'm sure......

[RedJ]

The first two words of the book would have to be "Na then, ..." surely.

[mushRTID]

One day, Oslo will write the book, I'm sure......

But will anyone care about it?

[theacademic]

Many thanks for these comments and to those that have completed the survey: http://www.topfan.co.uk

[theacademic]

Survey is still live if anyone can spare a couple of minutes.

[StocktonRover]

One day, Oslo will write the book, I'm sure......

But will anyone care about it?

There's a big market in books of  this type - just take a look on amazon and you'll find plenty.
Dougie and Eddie Brimson (sp) made a carreer out of it, Cas Pennant has done very well out of it too, writing a couple of books, advising on films, etc.

[not on facebook]

One day, Oslo will write the book, I'm sure......

But will anyone care about it?

There's a big market in books of  this type - just take a look on amazon and you'll find plenty.
Dougie and Eddie Brimson (sp) made a carreer out of it, Cas Pennant has done very well out of it too, writing a couple of books, advising on films, etc.

Not alot Of you will know This but cas pennant was born in sunny donny and was addopted by his white parents down in East London from a very very early age.

[hoolahoop]

Done , FV is still sensationalised by the media when other forms of violence are overlooked and yes there is plenty of violence to be found in other sports.
It's a good excuse to frogmarch decent supporters around the towns and cities they visit, limit their drinking, deny them access on 'away' days etc. and it's time it stopped.
Football supporters or the vast majority of them anyway are decent citizens and should be treated as such.
This subject makes me fume. 

[Filo]

One day, Oslo will write the book, I'm sure......

But will anyone care about it?

There's a big market in books of  this type - just take a look on amazon and you'll find plenty.
Dougie and Eddie Brimson (sp) made a carreer out of it, Cas Pennant has done very well out of it too, writing a couple of books, advising on films, etc.

Not alot Of you will know This but cas pennant was born in sunny donny and was addopted by his white parents down in East London from a very very early age.

I knew that, and I had the DVD at one time until a former workmate failed to return it to me

[Mr1Croft]

One day, Oslo will write the book, I'm sure......

But will anyone care about it?

There's a big market in books of  this type - just take a look on amazon and you'll find plenty.
Dougie and Eddie Brimson (sp) made a carreer out of it, Cas Pennant has done very well out of it too, writing a couple of books, advising on films, etc.

Not alot Of you will know This but cas pennant was born in sunny donny and was addopted by his white parents down in East London from a very very early age.

I knew that, and I had the DVD at one time until a former workmate failed to return it to me

Bit of extreme revenge for not returning a DVD!

[BillyStubbsTears]

Violence?

In the post- Alan Little/Colin Sutherland days? There's nowhere near enough.

As for corruption - Altrincham's chairman having a dabble on the fixed odds reminded me of an old WSC headline about dodgy dealings in a Lancashire club's boardroom. "Power, Corruption & Pies".

[danum]

I'm with you on this Hoolahoop

Whilst most stewards and coppers are OK, far too many enjoy the power that the dreaded "yellow tabard" gives them
and they will exploit it to the limits (and beyond)

Treat people like an animal and they will eventually act like it.

I have witnessed far too many incidents that have been ignited by over-zealous "authorities"

I appreciate that both jobs must be difficult but ..

[theacademic]

Thanks for the comments guys and thanks to those who have completed the survey.

[theacademic]

Last shout to see if anyone can help out with the survey.

[wilts rover]

Sorry but for an academic study you seem to have a lot of presumtions. I have a particular problem with this;

Do you have any theories why violence is seemingly associated with football in comparison with other sports?

Just having a trawl through that source of all knowledge, Wikipedia:
July 14, 2013 - riot at the Nabire Regency Boxing Championship, Indonesia caused a stampede leaving 18 fans dead and 40 injured
February 10, 2012 – riot at a boxing match in Argentina. The referee, one of the boxers and his cornerman were injured, the other boxer was banned for life.
June 6, 2010 – The Greek Basketball League final at Peace and Friendship Stadium between Olympiacos and Panathinaikos begun and ended in a riot. The third quarter was halted for an hour with fans throwing objects at the benches. This was repeated with a minute to go and the game never finished, even after the deployment of riot police.
March 15, 2010 – At a Rusian ice hockey match, a drunk fan climbed over the glass and hit a player over the head with a stick several times, leaving him with concussion and requiring medical treatment.
February 16, 2009 – A brawl at an American high school basketball tournament game escalated into the stands before spilling over onto the court. Eleven people were arrested.

Yes, my theory is that football is the sport with the highest international profile, and probably the highest number of participants, therefore gets reported more & the opportunities are more frequent. There is nothing special about football, other than there is a lot of it. Violence is part of society, sport is part of society.

[Boomstick]

Always annoys me when as soon as any degree of violent occurs at a football match all the wet lettuces are soon to bleet and whine about it.
But what about ice hockey when fighting is considered part of the game, and they have set players that do the fighting.
There is also a lot of violence in rugby too.

[RobTheRover]

Whilst most stewards and coppers are OK, far too many enjoy the power that the dreaded "yellow tabard" gives them
and they will exploit it to the limits (and beyond)

You'd have loved the jumped-up little sh!te in the car park at Centretainment in Sheffield last night then.  Mickey Flanagan at the Arena made up for him though.  Very funny indeed.

[normal rules]

where ever there is money, especially large amounts - there will be corruption

we don't need to look to far for a good example:

In January 2013, along with several other people, including fellow footballers, Coppinger faced a race-fixing inquiry with allegations of corruption in gambling on horses to lose on Betting exchanges in nine races between 1 November 2010 and 31 March 2011. He strongly denied the charges,[19][20] though was found guilty of corrupt and fraudulent practices by the British Horseracing Authority and given a three-year ban from any dealings with registered racing individuals

ok its a different sport but you get the idea.

[normal rules]

a few examples of the more publicised allegations of corruption. I would suggest this is just the tip of the iceberg:

That Bolton Wanderers manager Sam Allardyce, and his agent son Craig were alleged to have accepted "bungs" (bribes) from agents for signing certain players. Two agents, Teni Yerima and Peter Harrison, were secretly filmed, each separately claiming that they had paid Allardyce through his son. Allardyce denies ever taking, or asking for, a bung.[4]
Then Portsmouth manager Harry Redknapp is secretly filmed discussing the possibility of buying the Blackburn Rovers captain Andy Todd with agent Peter Harrison, which is illegal under FA rules. However, the programme merely showed Harrison approaching Redknapp and asking direct questions which Redknapp answered.
Then Portsmouth first-team coach Kevin Bond, first team coach of Newcastle United when the programme was aired, is secretly recorded admitting he would consider discussing receiving payments from a proposed new agency involving agent Peter Harrison. This was the programme's description; it did not seem explicit from the extract broadcast. Bond was suspended and then sacked by Newcastle as a result of the allegations.
Chelsea director of youth football Frank Arnesen is secretly filmed making an illegal approach or "tapping up" Middlesbrough's England youth star 15-year-old Nathan Porritt. Arnesen offers a fee of £150,000 spread over three years as an incentive to move, although he had been advised that it was 99.9% certain that Porritt would leave Middlesbrough. Both of these allegations are illegal under FA rules. Officials from Liverpool and Newcastle United were also implicated in attempts to sign Porritt.[5]
Agent Peter Harrison told the undercover reporter that, to secure transfer deals with Bolton, he bribed Sam Allardyce by offering to pay his son Craig. Harrison is a FIFA-listed agent, who is based in the north-east of England.
That three different Bolton transfer signings involved secret payments from agents to Craig Allardyce, some when he was contractually banned from doing any Bolton deals. Panorama alleged Bolton's transfer signings of defender Tal Ben Haim, midfielder Hidetoshi Nakata and goalkeeper Ali Al Habsi involved secret payments from agents to Craig Allardyce. Allardyce's son quit the agency business in summer 2006, and has admitted in newspaper interviews that his working as an agent might have cost his father the chance of becoming England manager.
Agent Charles Collymore, is secretly filmed in the Panorama film, saying: "There's managers out there who take bungs all day long. I would say to you comfortably there's six to eight managers we could definitely approach and they'd be up for this no problem." Later, Collymore is named publicly for the first time by Luton Town manager Mike Newell as the agent who offered him an illegal payment. Collymore also represents England cricketer Simon Jones.

[PDX_Rover]

Agree that football fans are singled out and treated very shabbily. Hold coaches on motorways, escorting coaches out of town... Or to Goole in the case of us versus Hull. It's a restriction of freedom. Like not being able to have a beer and watch a game at a ground.

Ridiculous. Time it stopped.

[normal rules]

didn't the hull fans get an apology from w yorks police re the Huddersfield game debarcle?

[silent majority]

didn't the hull fans get an apology from w yorks police re the Huddersfield game debarcle?

Yes they did. A Freedom of Information request proved that the so called 'evidence' that they had based their information on didn't exist. As we all know, I think, it was done for political reasons.