What a horrible interview, well worth a listen.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Wellred.

I'm not sure why you felt the need to post that. Personally, I'm working on the assumption that the VSC will maintain the stance that it has always had, which is that, in the absence of further information to fill in the blanks, it cannot support the deal.

Whether this now makes any difference to what is going to happen is a different point altogether.

Put simply, my reading (as a total outsider) is that that VSC has never made this about supporting or not supporting individuals. It is people on the other side of the discussion on here who have been quick to do that.

[Wellred]

Sorry BST but that is totally wrong.

How many VSC members and directors have been having a go at John Ryan whilst putting TB up as some kind of saint over the last few weeks.

Now we find its all about money and if Sequentia come up with the right deal TB will be off.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Wellred.

What individual members do is entirely up to them. Individual members have individual opinions. You'll need to ask them individually.

You asked what the VSC stance will be. I'm saying that I expect it to be the same as it was yesterday, Saturday and three months ago. That this is about the club, not about individuals. If a few people would remember that when firing off, it'd save a lot of vitriol on here.

[IC1967]

I think TB came across well. He came across as honest. He strikes me as a sensible bloke with his feet firmly on the ground (not with his head in the clouds which I think could be a criticism levelled at JR from time to time). There is obviously a personality clash between the two of them. From what I've seen and heard I'm on TB's side. Lack of ambition is not a valid criticism of him. He's just practical and down to earth and knows deep down we can never be a Premier League side. If it did ever happen we would have done it in a financially non viable way that would spell long term disaster for the club.

[Metalmicky]

He didn't come across as a charismatic personality and I for one wouldn't see him as ideal Chairman material, however he didn't strike me as a money grabber either. Time will tell, but until we have a greater appreciation of the sc deal [if it goes ahead] we will not be any the wiser.

[Wellred]

Wellred.

What individual members do is entirely up to them. Individual members have individual opinions. You'll need to ask them individually.

You asked what the VSC stance will be. I'm saying that I expect it to be the same as it was yesterday, Saturday and three months ago. That this is about the club, not about individuals. If a few people would remember that when firing off, it'd save a lot of vitriol on here.

Individual members yes. VSC directors No

[DRFCSouth]

I thought he came across well. There is no doubt he was choosing words carefully as would anybody in his position.

It is positive that he wishes to move on if a deal goes ahead. He made an interesting point that John Ryan had been speaking to SC off his own back for 6 months. You could argue that majority shareholders could have been involved earlier. The saddest point is that JR has gone. He is and was Mr Donny Rovers. It all sounds reasonably friendly from both interviews. There are more falling outs on here than between those two. Whatever is said, he had a point that as a majority their vote will tend to carry.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Which VSC director posts are you referring to?

[Wild Rover]

given £100m to charity should try to make chickenfeed out of a small football club.

Not quite correct, he has set up a "Trust" fund in which he has placed 100 million, that makes whatever interest it does, that is his charity donation. And fair play to him for doing it.

[Lipsy]

Inadvertently I think Wellred raises a fair point, but it's not necessarily directors but mods...

Say a mod fires both barrels into JR repeatedly over the weekend, rather than, say, maintain the VSC line about it being a sad day and all that. Guess which posts are picked up on and farted around the interwebs?

Clue: It's not the balanced, official VSC line. But, because it has come from a VSC mod, it's quoted as being the official line.

There's an argument that mods should just mod the site (trying to keep topics on track, moving posts if necessary and ensuring forum rules are adhered to, etc), rather than the system that we have at the moment... And when they wish to post their own opinions, they should post as themselves. It's not perfect, but it makes it more obvious *and* it helps curtail some of the shite that goes on.

There's no perfect solution, but I would argue that it needs a wee thunk - especially when the brown stuff hits the whirring thing.

[NickDRFC]

Bang on, Lipsy. You know as well as I do the difference between a moderator and a director, but others either don't or will seize an opportunity to make a point by using that moderators words as their stick to beat the VSC with.

To me that mod has done nothing wrong and is entitled to his opinion, but like you it muddies the VSC stance for those who don't know any better. However cumbersome it may be, it could be worth having a "moderators" account and a personal one.

[BillyStubbsTears]

WR

Absolutely correct. My mistake. The general point still stands though. And I note that none of the people who have been suggesting that TB's interest in the Rovers is about making money have yet answered that post.

[selby]

I  guess that we may see what SC is all about very soon and if they have the readies to take us forward or it is a load of b*llocks.
  I for one am lined up with BST and expect the remaining directors to look after themselves financially and the clubs and therfore the fans well being.
  All the supporters are pawns in a rich mans game the club and its traditions are more important to us and whoever takes the helm in the future should be made aware that they need our support as much as we need them for the club to progress.
 Infighting between ourselves will not make the slightest difference as matters at boardroom level have nothing to do with us and will take their course over time .
   Sad to see the KING go but hope the next KING does as good a job as JR who I would point out went for whatever reason by his own decision and although feeling sidelined was not pushed or voted off the board by our other directors.

[silent majority]

Do you really need to be told again what our position is? Jeez!

[London_Rover]

You don't have to repeat what the VSC's position is, but you should at least clarify that it only speaks for its members and not for the supporters as a whole - which could, of course, be a minority view depending on how we define 'supporters as a whole'.

Would that be fair?

[DearneValleyRover]

Whe

You don't have to repeat what the VSC's position is, but you should at least clarify that it only speaks for its members and not for the supporters as a whole - which could, of course, be a minority view depending on how we define 'supporters as a whole'.

Would that be fair?

When has the VSC said it speaks for all of the supporters of DRFC?   

[London_Rover]

We could go on forever with this.   When did I say that the VSC had ever said what you are implying I have said. 

[The Red Baron]

Three quick points:

1. I think it is regrettable that people with agendas- personal or otherwise- against the VSC and its leading members have decided that now is a good time to vent their feelings. The club stands on the brink of a huge change of direction and needs fans pulling in the same direction.

2. The interview with TB confirms my view that JR knew exactly what he was doing when he resigned. This was not an act of petulance or pique (even though he tried to make it sound like one) but a calculated move to put pressure on TB and hence force the takeover through.

3. Only time will tell whether JR was right and the takeover (and the removal of TB and DW from the scene) was the only way to stop the club stagnating and going backwards. But if things do go rotten in the future we'll know exactly how, when and why it happened- and who was responsible. 

[London_Rover]

I thought the interview was great.  I think some of what was said is a bit predictable but then these days a lot of interviews are.  There was an undertone of calm reassurance.  I actually thought he came across very well. 

[DonnyBazR0ver]

A vile orchestrated campaign against a man who is/was trying to make the best of a deal that had more holes in it than Swiss cheese, that has a high risk of boom and bust written all over it, trying to secure some form of assurance for the longer term.

This man has no self-interest in property development or lining his own pockets. Anyone with an ounce of intelligence can understand he does not have any choice about sticking around if the deal goes through. It is, or it was a 100% takeover. Even Wellred and Lifelong know JR would have to be 'invited' back in.

Where's your community ownership? Where's your fall back position? When JR, TB and DW have gone, they've gone. Seems to me that TB was at least patient enough to try and find an alternative to putting all your eggs in one basket where we may have attracted additional investment alongside the existing owners. Even when that failed he has been trying to make the best of the deal and not just willing to accept the first offer.

More importantly, he has been doing this in private, not seeking the limelight, not leaking information to all and sundry, keeping it within the boardroom. He is not a media savvy player and prefers to do things differently to others. 

Wellred, you've had your go. This is mine. I'm sorry if it appears a little unbalanced but there you go. I'm a very angry man right now.



     

[Glyn_Wigley]

Which VSC director posts are you referring to?

Don't expect an answer, he disappears when put on the spot.

[DearneValleyRover]

We could go on forever with this.   When did I say that the VSC had ever said what you are implying I have said. 

Just clarifying for you.

[Sprotyrover]

Nobody has picked up on the fact that the original deal was 10% up front and the remainder over 3 to 5 years !!!
TB has re negotiated the deal with all of the money upfront!
Is he talking about the shares buyout?
TB is a very brave man to take an interview on a train on his mobile, if it had gone under a tunnel and been cut off  the rabble rousers on this forum would have been baying for blood!
All in all a very good interview.

[bobjimwilly]

It will be interesting to see the VSC stance now that TB has stated he will sell to the devil company if the financial terms are agreed.

The VSC stance will remain the same no matter what. We are opposed to the current deal with SC because of a lack of clairty and we are not convinced the offer secures the long-term stability of the club in its current form. If the revised offer met these demands, our stance may change.

[Copps is Magic]

Just had time to sit down and listen to the interview. Although Bramall might not be as comfortable as Ryan in front of the camera he sounds like a calm and reasonable guy who has handled things in a respectful manner (he hasn't resorted to raising to John's implicit criticism and has basically said John is entitled to his opinion). He sounds convinced there is no crisis at the club because it is currently being run relatively well.

I hope the current board don't sell to SC and continue to run the club as they are.

I hope JR will eventually come back on board.

[BigH]

I think TB came across well. He came across as honest. He strikes me as a sensible bloke with his feet firmly on the ground (not with his head in the clouds which I think could be a criticism levelled at JR from time to time). There is obviously a personality clash between the two of them. From what I've seen and heard I'm on TB's side. Lack of ambition is not a valid criticism of him. He's just practical and down to earth and knows deep down we can never be a Premier League side. If it did ever happen we would have done it in a financially non viable way that would spell long term disaster for the club.

Tend to agree. The only thing that's clear to me in this whole fog is that the full story is not out there. Not by any means. This seems to be a personality clash among the shareholders being played out in the media. Lord knows why. Frustrating as it is, we'll just have to watch it pan out.

In the meantime, Dickov will have to weave some magic and try and bag a few points against a backdrop of uncertainty that won't do much for team morale.

Sorry but I'm not convinced that there are going to be any winners in this and that includes the fans.

[Pinter777]

The problem with the internet is that it is full of lower class ( that includes me) plebs who have no idea of how business are run or how investments are supposed to work. We all play football manager and assume it's all straight forward. Yet if my money was involved I would be skeptical about any further involvement.

[Wellred]

Which VSC director posts are you referring to?

Don't expect an answer, he disappears when put on the spot.

This do for you?

Glyn_Wigley
VSC Director
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Re: Someones telling lies
« Reply #9 on Today at 09:34:26 PM by Glyn_Wigley »
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Hmmmm.... Who COULD possibly be distorting the facts or telling porkies I wonder. Probably the same person who apparently was gullible enough to be drawn into mentioning O'Brien as behind the SC deal at the VSC AGM.

That's called past form....

But he wasn't drawn into it as the article in the DFP stated. He wasn't even asked about O'Brien, he volunteered the information and then spoke voluably about him. Which he then flatly denied to the DFP and said he'd been 'cornered' into mentioning O'Brien by 'targetted questioning'!

Want to know who's telling lies? I'd suggest looking at who's got form in doing so...

[Filo]

Which VSC director posts are you referring to?

Don't expect an answer, he disappears when put on the spot.

This do for you?

Glyn_Wigley
VSC Director
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Re: Someones telling lies
« Reply #9 on Today at 09:34:26 PM by Glyn_Wigley »
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Hmmmm.... Who COULD possibly be distorting the facts or telling porkies I wonder. Probably the same person who apparently was gullible enough to be drawn into mentioning O'Brien as behind the SC deal at the VSC AGM.

That's called past form....

But he wasn't drawn into it as the article in the DFP stated. He wasn't even asked about O'Brien, he volunteered the information and then spoke voluably about him. Which he then flatly denied to the DFP and said he'd been 'cornered' into mentioning O'Brien by 'targetted questioning'!

Want to know who's telling lies? I'd suggest looking at who's got form in doing so...

PMSL!

I have visions of wellred scrutinising every post for 2 minutes short of 4 hours hoping that someone will get him out of jail

[Wellred]

Didn't have to wait long at all. Bet you so disappointed.