You Fat B*******

[IC1967]

I'll try yet again. This time please can you keep your answer short and to the point. Do you think the way milk is mass produced is barbaric or acceptable? A one word answer will do.

[IC1967]

I'm not American either

As far as I'm concerned if you live in America you are American and must accept some responsibility for your countrymen's laughable views of the Bible.

[scaley back rover]

i have lived in cyprus and germany , does that make me an english , german cypriot ? and make me part responsible for the economic crash and lederhosen?

[IC1967]

Where you live and make your home is what your nationality becomes.

[scaley back rover]

really i will tell the Goverment of this country and the MOD that then . Should be an intresting disscussion in whitehall.

[Orlandokarla]

I'll try yet again. This time please can you keep your answer short and to the point. Do you think the way milk is mass produced is barbaric or acceptable? A one word answer will do.

Insufficient data.

[redwine]

Where you live and make your home is what your nationality becomes.

Try telling that to the ex pat Brits in Spain


I presume that you are paid by the amount of b*llocks you spout and the replies this generates. There would appear to be no other reason for your inane ramblings.


ps Glad to have increased your bank account by 5p

[Orlandokarla]

I'm not American either

As far as I'm concerned if you live in America you are American and must accept some responsibility for your countrymen's laughable views of the Bible.

I thought you said you weren't English?  I certainly can't be arsed to check, but didn't you declare yourself Irish in the Scottish Independence thread? You talk so much nonsense, you can't help but trip over your own BS.

Not my countrymen, not my views.

You're getting more illogical and irrational by the post, not to mention dodging points and counter-points with increasing regularity.

[Orlandokarla]

Where you live and make your home is what your nationality becomes.

So you're declaring yourself English then?

[IC1967]

Insufficient data!!! Avoiding the issue again more like.

[IC1967]

By the usual conventions for determining nationality I am considered to be English.

[IC1967]

I dodge nothing. Feel free to throw anything you want at me and as long as it is not silly just for the sake of it I will answer everything. Just be aware that by the time I'm finished with you you'll feel like you've been up through the mincer  (just like those poor animals you slaughter).

[Orlandokarla]

Insufficient data!!! Avoiding the issue again more like.

Nope; simply answering the question as succinctly as possible, as requested.

[Orlandokarla]

I dodge nothing. Feel free to throw anything you want at me and as long as it is not silly just for the sake of it I will answer everything. Just be aware that by the time I'm finished with you you'll feel like you've been up through the mincer  (just like those poor animals you slaughter).

Read back a page or two; there's plenty to keep you busy.

I can't be bothered to summarize for you. Do try to keep up.

[IC1967]

I've repeatedly asked you if you think milk production is cruel. You repeatedly avoid the question because the way milk is produced does not fit with your Biblical view of the world that man has dominion over all animals and can do what he wants with them. After all, animals are just food.

Well here's another website which explains in graphic, painful detail just how cruel milk production is. I defy anyone who bothers to take on board the information to ever look at milk the same way again (I fully expect you not to change your mind as you have demonstrated a total lack of empathy for our fellow animals).

I'd just be grateful if you could be honest and just admit that milk production is barbaric. The fact you think this is OK says a lot about you and your kind.

http://milkiscruel.com/

[BillyStubbsTears]

Mick

I've asked you straight questions and seen you ignore them more times than I can remember. So you are being a naughty little tinker getting worked up about someone else doing the same thing.

[IC1967]

I've asked you straight questions and seen you ignore them more times than I can remember. So you are being a naughty little tinker getting worked up about someone else doing the same thing.

I am legendary on this forum for always answering everything that is thrown at me. I do refuse to answer silly questions though. You have asked plenty of these just to try and make yourself look clever. I'm amazed you haven't cut your losses before after all the batterings I've dished out to you previously.

[BillyStubbsTears]

So you DON'T answer everything thrown at you.

Actually, the last question I repeatedly asked of you was whether you would take up a bet on a subject that you have repeatedly pontificated on.

Was that a silly question or a valid enquiry?

You didn't have to take up the bet by the way. Just do me the courtesy of telling me whether you would. It seems surprising that you regale us with your opinions frequently, but when asked to man up and back them up, you don't even acknowledge that the question had been asked.

[IC1967]

You do realise that wanting to bet on everything makes you sound like a little boy in the school playground. We all remember being at school and the phrase 'I'll bet you then'. This phrase was always employed by someone who had already lost the argument.

I didn't respond to your question in this instance as out of the goodness of my heart I didn't want to make you look daft (again). But you just couldn't let it lie.

Next question please.

[Filo]

You do realise that wanting to bet on everything makes you sound like a little boy in the school playground. We all remember being at school and the phrase 'I'll bet you then'. This phrase was always employed by someone who had already lost the argument.

I didn't respond to your question in this instance as out of the goodness of my heart I didn't want to make you look daft (again). But you just couldn't let it lie.

Next question please.

I'd prefer it that you made BST look daft than evade the question

[IC1967]

I'd prefer it that you made BST look daft than evade the question

I refer you to my previous post in this thread where I have done exactly as you asked.

[Filo]

I'd prefer it that you made BST look daft than evade the question

I refer you to my previous post in this thread where I have done exactly as you asked.

You've evaded many questions Mick, why refer to the previous post?

[IC1967]

I've repeatedly asked you if you think milk production is cruel. You repeatedly avoid the question because the way milk is produced does not fit with your Biblical view of the world that man has dominion over all animals and can do what he wants with them. After all, animals are just food.

Well here's another website which explains in graphic, painful detail just how cruel milk production is. I defy anyone who bothers to take on board the information to ever look at milk the same way again (I fully expect you not to change your mind as you have demonstrated a total lack of empathy for our fellow animals).

I'd just be grateful if you could be honest and just admit that milk production is barbaric. The fact you think this is OK says a lot about you and your kind.

http://milkiscruel.com/

Still waiting.

[IC1967]

Another question for you. Do you think factory farming is OK or barbaric?

On today’s factory farms, animals are crammed by the thousands into filthy, windowless sheds and confined to wire cages, gestation crates, barren dirt lots, and other cruel confinement systems. These animals will never raise their families, root around in the soil, build nests, or do anything that is natural and important to them. Most won’t even feel the sun on their backs or breathe fresh air until the day they are loaded onto trucks bound for slaughter. The green pastures and idyllic barnyard scenes of years past are now distant memories.

The factory farming industry strives to maximize output while minimizing costs—always at the animals’ expense. The giant corporations that run most factory farms have found that they can make more money by cramming animals into tiny spaces, even though many of the animals get sick and some die. The industry journal National Hog Farmer explains, “Crowding pigs pays,” and egg-industry expert Bernard Rollins writes that “chickens are cheap; cages are expensive.”


Cows, calves, pigs, chickens, turkeys, ducks, geese, and other animals live in extremely stressful conditions:

Kept in small cages or jam-packed sheds or on filthy feedlots, often with so little space that they can’t even turn around or lie down comfortably
Deprived of exercise so that all their bodies’ energy goes toward producing flesh, eggs, or milk for human consumption
Fed drugs to fatten them faster and keep them alive in conditions that could otherwise kill them
Genetically altered to grow faster or to produce much more milk or eggs than they naturally would (many animals become crippled under their own weight and die just inches away from water and food)
When they have finally grown large enough, animals raised for food are crowded onto trucks and transported over many miles through all weather extremes, typically without food or water, to the slaughterhouse. Those who survive this nightmarish journey will have their throats slit, often while they are still conscious. Many remain conscious when they are plunged into the scalding-hot water of the defeathering or hair-removal tanks or while their bodies are being skinned or hacked apart.

http://www.peta.org/issues/animals-used-for-food/factory-farming/

[Orlandokarla]

I've repeatedly asked you if you think milk production is cruel. You repeatedly avoid the question because the way milk is produced does not fit with your Biblical view of the world that man has dominion over all animals and can do what he wants with them. After all, animals are just food.

Well here's another website which explains in graphic, painful detail just how cruel milk production is. I defy anyone who bothers to take on board the information to ever look at milk the same way again (I fully expect you not to change your mind as you have demonstrated a total lack of empathy for our fellow animals).

I'd just be grateful if you could be honest and just admit that milk production is barbaric. The fact you think this is OK says a lot about you and your kind.

http://milkiscruel.com/

Still waiting.

Sorry luv, real life and all that. 

IF that was my view, then it would fit PRECISELY with that world view!

Milk production is not cruel. How one may go about it, is another matter entirely. Can it be done humanely? Absolutely. Is that always the case? Clearly not.

I too am against animal cruelty. We simply don't share the same definition.

I've never said that animals are 'just food,' but it's true that we all have our place on the food chain.

As you have intimated yourself, you require very little proof of anything if it fits your preconceived idea or agenda.
Peta.com, milkiscruel.com; hardly objective websites to educate the skeptical, are they?

In the case of PETA, you provide a link to a biased source and expect me to believe every word, as you do. Firstly, I'm not that gullible. Secondly, much of it is illogical. Frankly, I find it difficult to believe that even you mindlessly buy into all their arguments. Pet hypocrisy/destruction, keeping cats indoors/on leashes etc, etc... Really???
Did you read the predator reintroduction page? You'll see less use of emotive language in a teenage girl's diary. Such use of figurative language is unnecessary if the argument is rational, logical, and valid.

As for milkiscruel, well I can link you to a hundred dog-fight videos, or a hundred cats dressed up in festive costumes, but that doesn't prove that the majority of pet owners treat their animals that way. Clearly, the video is disturbing, but then that is the point. They are attempting to close down the industry on philosophical grounds, and using this as their ammunition. No amount of welfare legislation will ever be enough to pacify groups whose aim is converting the world to a vegan lifestyle.
Always be suspicious of your sources. They are only showing you what they want you to see. 4 negligent dairy farms in a country of over 310 million people, doesn't equate to common by any definition.

You claim you're asking a simple question, yet what you are asking is to formulate an opinion based upon extremely limited data, from incredibly questionable sources. That I refuse to, is hardly dodging a question. The burden of proof is on you. Prove your argument; provide numerous, CREDIBLE sources and there may be something to discuss.

I'm still waiting for you to catch up.
You never did respond regarding hunting or pets. If you're all out of ideas links, I'll allow you to withdraw with dignity.

[Orlandokarla]

Another question for you. Do you think factory farming is OK or barbaric?

http://www.peta.org/issues/animals-used-for-food/factory-farming/

OK or barbaric? Nothing in between?

I don't like so-called 'factory farming;' too few genuine farmers, and too many unskilled, often illegal, (at least over here) labourers.
Laziness and greed are the biggest issue.
It's not difficult to run a farm humanely, but it is labour-intensive and not as profitable.
Primarily, that means giving the animals as much space as possible, and only administering medications that are absolutely necessary for the wellbeing of the animals.
Not all large-scale farming concerns are what you would term 'factory farms,' although some would have you believe that all farms with livestock, regardless of size, are the same. I can assure you that's not the case.

[IC1967]

OK or barbaric? Nothing in between?

I don't like so-called 'factory farming;

It's very simple. The answer is barbaric. In between is barbaric but just to a lesser degree.

[IC1967]

I give up on the milk issue. The correct answer is barbaric.

[IC1967]

Like I say, if you've got any questions for me just fire them at me. I promise a brief and to the point answer that does not contain any waffle. If only I could say the same about some others around here.

Another question. Do you think fishing is OK or barbaric?

[Orlandokarla]

OK or barbaric? Nothing in between?

I don't like so-called 'factory farming;

It's very simple. The answer is barbaric. In between is barbaric but just to a lesser degree.

In between is 'could do better'.