Royal George

[IC1967]

My piss is really boiling. Listening to sycophant Nicholas Witchell droning on about Royal George on his tour of New Zealand on the one o'clock news has made me want to puke. What a waste of 3 minutes of news time.

The BBC need to get it into their heads that most of us couldn't care less about the minutiae of what the Royal family get up to. Is nothing happening in Syria or Ukraine today?

The sooner we become a republic the better.

[IDM]

Really? Have you nothing better to do?

These days the monarchy has power and authority in name only, in reality they are a figurehead.  The heritage etc associated with them brings in millions if not billions of £, so even if you are a republican then you can surely see there is no harm in this?

[IC1967]

If anything symbolises stagnation, immovable social barriers and hierarchy, it is the royal family. They embody the exact opposite of hard work, aspiration and innovation and all the guff that we are told will make things fairer.

I couldn't care less about tourism etc. There are far more important things in life. My opening paragraph is the reason they should go. Off with their heads now.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/29/royals-want-new-boiler-we-pay-for-it

[wilts rover]

I couldn't care less about tourism etc. There are far more important things in life.

Tourism is a valuable source of foreign exchange, worth more in export value in 2012 than crude oil, food beverages and tobacco and very nearly as much as motor cars. Overseas visitors spend around £20 billion a year in this country and they contribute more than £6 billion in revenue to the Exchequer.

When combined with domestic tourism, the industry is worth UK £127 billion a year and employs 3 million people - on both measurements that accounts for around 10% of the UK economy.

http://www.visitbritain.org/britaintourismindustry/

I thought you were supposed to be an expert on economics!!!

[IC1967]

I am an expert on economics. Let me clarify. I couldn't care less about the impact the Royal Family have on tourism. The loss of tourism felt by becoming a republic would be negligible.

It's the big picture that counts. All you lefties out there that don't like all the toffs at the top of the Tory party need to put 2 and 2 together and come up with 4 not 5.

It is precisely because the Royal Family is 'acceptable' that the corrosive class system is perpetuated in our society. Until we get rid it will always be the same. The toffs will always have the best of it. It amazes me that it is the less intelligent members of our society that are affected the most that support the Royal family the most!

It is morally wrong that they should live in the lap of luxury at taxpayers expense when there are so many poor people in the country.

Off with their heads! 

[jucyberry]

Oh but he is just the most beautiful little boy.. with his adorable chubby chops and little dimpled elbows. He is gorgeous.

I have no problems with us having a royal family. In this day and age they are about the only thing I do like about Britain.

[IDM]

Utter b*llocks.   I would guess that the tourism effect far outweighs their cost.

"lefties"??? Again?? get off your f**king high horse for once, will you?

[IC1967]

Forget tourism. It's not all about costs. It's about what's morally right. Having a bunch of inbred misfits as a Royal Family is morally indefensible on so many levels.

[IDM]

Why are you so bothered?  What have they done to you?

[RTID75]

(Amazingly) I was thinking exactly the same as you earlier when I had the misfortune to have BBC news on. Witchell -  a total sycophant boring us shitless as he always does with his awful fawning Royal stories, keeping us bang up to date with mind numbing reports on George's latest dribble / whimper / fart / whatever.

Baby doing baby things shocker. This isn't news - it's shite.

Let me keep the quid a year in my own pocket and get rid of them all. 

Republic!

[IC1967]

I'm so bothered because I'm paying for them!  They perpetuate the class system. They are up their own arses. They think they're something they are not. They are all weird. They don't live a normal life. Saddo's live their life through them.

Off with their heads!

[Glyn_Wigley]

The heritage etc associated with them brings in millions if not billions of £, so even if you are a republican then you can surely see there is no harm in this?

Proof please. This is the argument that gets put every time, that the Royal Family bring in money through tourism. Nobody ever proves it with figures. It should surely be easy enough to do so..?

And I'm talking about what the people in the Royal Family directly bring in through tourism, not the buildings or regalia.

[wilts rover]

Glyn

From Mick's favourite source, wiki

Baby George has so far brought in £500m - someone else can type the rest I can't be bothered

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_much_money_does_the_queen_bring_through_tourism?#slide=7

[IDM]

I think it is difficult to prove it empirically, but not just the current royal family, but all of the associated things (have you seen the queues in the Tower of London to see the crown jewels?) must bring in millions.  No, I don't know and can't prove it, but this is highly likely?

Someone will have analysed it somewhere?  Like how much revenue the Tower, Buck house, Windsor castle etc bring in each year?

As for all the stuff about class divisions, that really went away after the 2nd world war, and the following decades.

[IC1967]

Could you please explain then why 0.6% of the population own 69% of the land? These people are known as the aristocratic elite.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/johann-hari/britains-land-is-still-owned-by-an-aristocratic-elite--but-it-doesnt-have-to-be-this-way-483131.html

[IDM]

That doesn't make them "better" people, though does it?  That used to be the attitude that the people in the aristocracy or higher classes were supposedly "better" but that attitude is long gone.

I actually agree to a degree that the reporters do go OTT with the baby prince, but media will always sensationalise things - the tabloids thrive on sensationalism.

And, I have to say IC1967, on this thread at least you are showing what are long believed to be "leftie" opinions on republicanism!

[Sad-Rovers]

I am an expert on economics.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oavMtUWDBTM" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oavMtUWDBTM</a>

[IC1967]

That doesn't make them "better" people, though does it?  That used to be the attitude that the people in the aristocracy or higher classes were supposedly "better" but that attitude is long gone.

I actually agree to a degree that the reporters do go OTT with the baby prince, but media will always sensationalise things - the tabloids thrive on sensationalism.

And, I have to say IC1967, on this thread at least you are showing what are long believed to be "leftie" opinions on republicanism!

They certainly aren't 'better' people. In fact I look down my nose at them. However they still believe they are better people simply through a quirk of birth. I've hobnobbed with these type of people and I can tell you there is no doubt they think they are superior. The attitude they have to working class people is reprehensible. This is perpetuated by all the sycophancy that surrounds the Royal family.

I'm quite happy to be called an extreme right wing leftie. My views are formed regardless of whether they are right wing or left wing. I am my own man. I use my vast intellect to weigh up the pros and cons of a situation and it just so happens that most of my views fall into the extreme right wing side of things. Occasionally though the lefties do get the odd thing right and I'm quite happy to acknowledge that.

[rtid88]

I LOVE THE ROYAL FAMILY!!

I HATE IC1967!!!
 
All that needs to be said, and saying it in uppercase lettering really emphasises my point I think!! 

[IC1967]

It's the likes of you that allows them to keep getting away with it. You should be ashamed of yourself for falling for their propaganda.

[Wild Rover]

I think the "Last King of Egypt" ( or somewhere similar ) in 1950's summed it up quite well when he said " in the future there will be only 5 kings in the world, Spades clubs hearts and diamonds an Great Britain"

[Glyn_Wigley]

Glyn

From Mick's favourite source, wiki

Baby George has so far brought in £500m - someone else can type the rest I can't be bothered

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_much_money_does_the_queen_bring_through_tourism?#slide=7

Somebody just saying figure proves nothing. Where's their source from, or have they just made them up?

[Glyn_Wigley]

I think it is difficult to prove it empirically, but not just the current royal family, but all of the associated things (have you seen the queues in the Tower of London to see the crown jewels?) must bring in millions.  No, I don't know and can't prove it, but this is highly likely?

Someone will have analysed it somewhere?  Like how much revenue the Tower, Buck house, Windsor castle etc bring in each year?

As for all the stuff about class divisions, that really went away after the 2nd world war, and the following decades.

The problem is, the Tower, Buck House and Windsor Castle don't belong to the Royal Family so whatever money they bring in is nothing to do with the Royal Family.

[IDM]

My point is Glyn, that the royal family is associated with all these attractions - take away the royalty now and you lose that link that all the history stuff has to the present day.

I am indifferent to the actual people in the royal family but I do think the whole surroundings and history is, on balance, good value for our country.  You and others may disagree, and that is fair enough.  As for the OP, he has a reputation for posting controversial stuff hence the tone of my response.

[rtid88]

Its the likes of you IC1977 spouting ur pathetic political propaganda on this forum whilst thinking you know best and that you are better than every1 else and that urs is the only opinion that is worth listening too that should be ashamed of yourself! How about you actually come onto this football forum and actually start a thread about football for once, rather than your right wing shite!!!

[RedJ]

Its the likes of you IC1977 spouting ur pathetic political propaganda on this forum whilst thinking you know best and that you are better than every1 else and that urs is the only opinion that is worth listening too that should be ashamed of yourself! How about you actually come onto this football forum and actually start a thread about football for once, rather than your leftie shite!!!

He tends to talk just as much b*llocks about football as well on the very rare occasion he bothers to.

[BillyStubbsTears]

'Kin 'ell!

We've found someone who is more right wing than Mick! Ghengis Khan. Come on down.

For what it's worth, I've never bought the "We need the Royal Family to bring in the tourists" argument.

I've been to the Acropolis. I didn't go there on the off chance that Pericles would be knocking about. I've been to the Arena at Verona, but not because I expected to see Claudius or Tiberias there.

[Glyn_Wigley]

My point is Glyn, that the royal family is associated with all these attractions - take away the royalty now and you lose that link that all the history stuff has to the present day.

It doesn't seem to have hurt the Palace of Versailles...

[rtid88]

Sorry Billy, modified my original post, I always get mixed up between my left and right!!

[IC1967]

That used to be the attitude that the people in the aristocracy or higher classes were supposedly "better" but that attitude is long gone.

Really? I think you are living in fantasyland if you believe that. You only have to watch the appalling grovelling sycophancy when anyone comes into contact with the royal family to realise that these sycophants do think they are better than them. There are a few people around (like me) that don't think they are better than the rest of us. in fact I think I'm much better than they are but the vast majority can't wait to tug their forelock in their presence.

Also saying that class division has gone away is ridiculous. 0.6% of the population wouldn't own most of the land if that was the case. Who gets all the best jobs? It's the privileged elite that can afford to send their children to the best public schools.

The propaganda machine around the royal family has obviously done a very good job on you, Jucyberry, rtid88 and your kind. Wise up and smell the coffee. You are being taken for mugs.