Looking grim for Labour

[IC1967]

Mick. f*** off and do one. I've told you I do not appreciate being called a liar. It is very clear he believes greed not necessity motivates people towards food bank use.

I know Rob will moderate me but sometimes It has to be said, so go stick your better ware and your gold and your betting tips and opinions where the sun doesn't shine, which if not up your actual arse must be anywhere in close vicinity. I shan't be answering you again simply because I have come to the conclusion that you are an irredeemable cock.

Well said that lady

Now for your information Mick personally I am 56 years old I have never ever been out of work since I was 15 in the last 12 months I have had major spinal surgery, I cannot sit down, I cannot stand up for any real length of time, I cannot lift or bend particularly well I cannot walk too far, what job are you going to give me!!!!!!! I didn't cost the nhs jack all because I had private health cover  and don't say well done for that I was lucky it was in my contract in  fact I'm sure Jucy remembers when I had previous spinal surgery about 4/5 years ago all private the company I worked for valued me unfortunately their patience has basically  run out for which I don't honestly blame them.

Mick do us all a favour piss off and take the nutty Lords and Ladies with you who think they know how real people have to live because they don't

and if you don't believe me ask Hoola who I met the other night to discuss our relevent back conditions and the various treatments that may or may not be available

I presume you are asking me what job I'm going to give you. Why you are asking me this question I don't know. All I'm saying is that if you wanted a job but an employer felt that he could get somebody better I'd be quite happy for you to say to said employer that you would be happy to work for £2 an hour and for the state to top your wages up to the minimum wage.  This would be on the proviso that this is what you wanted. You would in no way be forced to take a job. This is what Freud was saying.

You wouldn't think so though would you looking at the way Billy and Jucy have lied about what he said and totally misrepresented him.

[IC1967]

Is there not a forum rule that stops this kind of WUMing or trolling?

It's pathetic

Standing up for the severely disabled and pointing out where people are lessening their chances of work through political correctness and lies and misrepresentation is not WUMing or trolling. Get a grip man.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Mick

I see you are avoiding the question as ever. I'll state it more simply do that you can't avoid it.

I have a very personal stake in the disability argument. It hits home very close to me and the people I love.

So I'll say it again. I'm happy to meet with you in person to discuss this. Are you game?

[RedRover45]

IC1967.

For the third time, can you please answer my question. I wouldn't want you to ruin your 100% answer rate. Thanks.

[IC1967]

Mick

I see you are avoiding the question as ever. I'll state it more simply do that you can't avoid it.

I have a very personal stake in the disability argument. It hits home very close to me and the people I love.

So I'll say it again. I'm happy to meet with you in person to discuss this. Are you game?

I'd quite happily meet you to discuss the issue but feel it would be a complete waste of my time. You are clearly so entrenched in your hard left views that you refuse to see any other point of view. The only discussion worth having with you is one where the other person agrees with everything you say. Well that person isn't me.

I'll say it again. This moral indignation is really making my piss boil. My point of view is obvious on this issue and I am losing count of the times I've explained it. What is is that you lefties don't understand? You are trying to twist things yet again and trying to make out that I'm having a go at the disabled.

Nothing could be further from the truth. Unfortunately because I have defended and agreed with the views of Freud on paying the severely disabled £2 an hour and topping it up with benefits to the minimum wage, but only if the severely disabled person wanted to take part in this arrangement I am vilified. Unbelievable.

So I'll ask all you lefties to calm down and carefully and slowly read what I've said. You won't find anything that is having a go at the disabled. In fact all you'll find is the complete opposite. Now all those of you that have had a go at me and misrepresented my views I would respectfully ask that you all issue an immediate abject apology. I promise it will be accepted with good grace and we'll put this sorry example of lefties twisting things again behind us.

[redwine]

Mick,  the number of times your piss boils makes me wonder if you should consider seeing a doctor. My guess would be cystitis

[BillyStubbsTears]

Go on then. If you'd happily meet, let's have a time, date and place. Balls's in your court.

[IC1967]

Go on then. If you'd happily meet, let's have a time, date and place. Balls's in your court.

You just can't stop twisting things can you. I'll repeat it again and this time I'd appreciate it if you could take the necessary time for the information to penetrate your brain so you can understand what I'm saying, 'I'd quite happily meet you to discuss the issue but feel it would be a complete waste of my time. You are clearly so entrenched in your hard left views that you refuse to see any other point of view. The only discussion worth having with you is one where the other person agrees with everything you say. Well that person isn't me.'

My time is valuable to me. I haven't got where I've got today by wasting time in pointless meetings with the likes of you.

[BillyStubbsTears]

So. To be clear. I've offered to meet you to discuss these issues face to face and you're too busy to take that up?

You have enough time to write 4000+ posts on here under your various guises, but you don't have 30 minutes to meet someone face to face, look into their eyes and repeat some of your opinions?

Is that right?

[IC1967]

So. To be clear. I've offered to meet you to discuss these issues face to face and you're too busy to take that up?

You have enough time to write 4000+ posts on here under your various guises, but you don't have 30 minutes to meet someone face to face, look into their eyes and repeat some of your opinions?

Is that right?

Given the amount of time it is taking you to understand what I've said I doubt very much whether 30 minutes would be anywhere near enough.  You have proved you are incapable of taking in simple information many time in the past. For example how many times did I have to tell you I was IC1967? Now given that your brain is hardwired into only thinking that a hard left perspective is the only possible view to hold then I feel a meeting would as I'v esaid twice already be a complete waste of time.

Please feel free to question or challenge my views on this forum as I will respond in great detail and answer any question you would like to ask. I only ask that you wait for a response as I will have to fit it into my busy schedule but I will do my best to give a prompt answer (unlike some others around here I could mention).

[IC1967]

IC1967.

For the third time, can you please answer my question. I wouldn't want you to ruin your 100% answer rate. Thanks.

I am IC1967.

[IC1967]

Let me try a different tact guys.

IC1967, I appreciate that you are who you say you are.
Now, the question is do you as a person post using any other pseudonyms in any of the VSC forums.
If the answer is yes, please list all the other pseudonyms you post under.
If the answer is no, in my opinion you are lying.

Is that clear and concise enough for you ?

I don't post using any other pseudonyms in any of the VSC forums.

Yes that is clear and concise enough for me.

100% record still intact (this statement excludes silly questions).

[BillyStubbsTears]

Ok, so we'll add "coward" to "liar".

A further question for you.

Have you ever posted under the pseudonyms Madmick50 and mjdgreg?

[IC1967]

Filo

He hasn't, but he's been equally abusive. I've had enough of the t**t to be honest. I don't mind the Kitson abusing me, but I'm not going to have him having a pop at people like Debs.

Another massive lie! I've been equally abusive! I can't get my breath! I am a paragon of virtue compared to you. The worst thing I've ever called you is a liar. I've backed this up and proved it to be the case.

I won't print what you've called me as I don't have such a well developed potty mouth.

Now, being a magnanimous sort of person, I'll give you yet another chance to issue an abject apology. Get it sorted by close of play today or there will be another lie exposed tomorrow.

[IC1967]

Ok, so we'll add "coward" to "liar".

A further question for you.

Have you ever posted under the pseudonyms Madmick50 and mjdgreg?

I'll have you know I consider myself to be extremely brave and courageous (and modest). I don't know anyone else that would have the courage and bravery to step into the hard left lion's den that is the VSC Off Topic Forum to put forward a predominantly right wing point of view for such a sustained period despite coming under the kind of abuse that would lead a lesser man to crumble.

Now there may be those of you out there that worry about the level of abuse I receive, (to Filo's credit he has stepped in more than once to try and tone it down a bit). However what I would say to anyone out there is don't worry about upsetting me. It is water off a duck's back and only serves to make me stronger. Throw what you want at me. I can take it (unlike some others around here that I could mention).

As for your question I will answer it by saying it falls into the 'silly' category.

100% record still intact.

[IC1967]

Mick, you irredeemable little shite. Debs has been bang on with what she said. You are doing your usual thing of retreating into an argument about precise definitions of words and accurate quoting, which is rich coming from someone like you who wouldn't recognise a fact if it smacked him in the mouth and called him a lying Kitson.

Debs quotes Freud accurately “…food from a food bank – the supply – is a free good, and by definition there is an almost infinite demand for a free good.”

His inference here is clear. He is saying that he is not convinced that it is demand driving the increase in usage of good banks  he thinks it is possible (probably likely, otherwise, why raise the f***ing point?) that it is supply of a free good that is attracting people to take the free good who could actually afford to feed themselves. What do you call people who lap up free stuff that they could actually afford to pay for? I call them "greedy".

Freud is a b*****d of the first order. He has no comprehension of the demeaning experience of dropping through the safety net to the point where you have to demean yourself and take free handouts of the cheapest, lowest quality food in order to feed yourself and your kids. He has so little comprehension of it, that he thinks the country is awash with hundreds of thousands of people who go and queue up to get these meagre low-quality rations for free. He thinks the country is awash with greedy t**ts like that.

I always find that the spin people put on arguments says something about their own moral code. The fact that he thinks the country is full of greedy amoral t**ts says it all. The fact that you support him says even more.

The fact that you, you miserable little Kitson, then concoct an argument to have a go a Debs who is taking the shitty end of this Govt's policies with dignity and good grace is the supreme irony. You can say what you want to me, but I'm not having you calling her a liar. She is worth 50 of you, you pathetic toe rag. You lie so freely and blatantly, you assume everyone else has the same moral standards. You have called it 100% wrong with Debs and shown yourself up for the ignorant bully that you are.

Do us all a favour. Take your obnoxious ideas and f*** off to somewhere where they are appreciated. With whichever of your personas you wish to take.

Right I've given you another chance and you've turned it down. Time for another lie to be exposed. There are a few in the drivel above but I'll just concentrate on one particularly ridiculous example (for now).

I always find that the spin people put on arguments says something about their own moral code. The fact that he thinks the country is full of greedy amoral t**ts says it all. The fact that you support him says even more.

The first part of that statement is breathtaking. You not me are the one putting a spin on what he said!!! It is you that has a totally corrupt moral code. He never mentioned the word greedy. He never said the disabled should be paid £2 an hour. You still try to spin it that he did. Now for another massive lie. You say 'the fact that I support him says even more'. I've already stated more than once that I don't know the man from Adam and couldn't care less about him and his views. The people I support are the severely disabled that can't get a job because they can't command the minimum wage from an employer. For you to try and spin it that I support Freud is a blatant lie.

It seems to me that you lefties are trying to turn this debate into one about the overall record of Freud and the Tories on their handling of the disabled. That is not what this particular debate was about. I'm quite happy to have a debate on this issue but for you to try and misrepresent what he and I have said and to imply that this is the debate we're having all along is disgraceful.

You liar. Now get that abject apology sorted by close of play or there will be further lies exposed.

[Filo]

Mick, you irredeemable little shite. Debs has been bang on with what she said. You are doing your usual thing of retreating into an argument about precise definitions of words and accurate quoting, which is rich coming from someone like you who wouldn't recognise a fact if it smacked him in the mouth and called him a lying Kitson.

Debs quotes Freud accurately “…food from a food bank – the supply – is a free good, and by definition there is an almost infinite demand for a free good.”

His inference here is clear. He is saying that he is not convinced that it is demand driving the increase in usage of good banks  he thinks it is possible (probably likely, otherwise, why raise the f***ing point?) that it is supply of a free good that is attracting people to take the free good who could actually afford to feed themselves. What do you call people who lap up free stuff that they could actually afford to pay for? I call them "greedy".

Freud is a b*****d of the first order. He has no comprehension of the demeaning experience of dropping through the safety net to the point where you have to demean yourself and take free handouts of the cheapest, lowest quality food in order to feed yourself and your kids. He has so little comprehension of it, that he thinks the country is awash with hundreds of thousands of people who go and queue up to get these meagre low-quality rations for free. He thinks the country is awash with greedy t**ts like that.

I always find that the spin people put on arguments says something about their own moral code. The fact that he thinks the country is full of greedy amoral t**ts says it all. The fact that you support him says even more.

The fact that you, you miserable little Kitson, then concoct an argument to have a go a Debs who is taking the shitty end of this Govt's policies with dignity and good grace is the supreme irony. You can say what you want to me, but I'm not having you calling her a liar. She is worth 50 of you, you pathetic toe rag. You lie so freely and blatantly, you assume everyone else has the same moral standards. You have called it 100% wrong with Debs and shown yourself up for the ignorant bully that you are.

Do us all a favour. Take your obnoxious ideas and f*** off to somewhere where they are appreciated. With whichever of your personas you wish to take.

Right I've given you another chance and you've turned it down. Time for another lie to be exposed. There are a few in the drivel above but I'll just concentrate on one particularly ridiculous example (for now).

I always find that the spin people put on arguments says something about their own moral code. The fact that he thinks the country is full of greedy amoral t**ts says it all. The fact that you support him says even more.

The first part of that statement is breathtaking. You not me are the one putting a spin on what he said!!! It is you that has a totally corrupt moral code. He never mentioned the word greedy. He never said the disabled should be paid £2 an hour. You still try to spin it that he did. Now for another massive lie. You say 'the fact that I support him says even more'. I've already stated more than once that I don't know the man from Adam and couldn't care less about him and his views. The people I support are the severely disabled that can't get a job because they can't command the minimum wage from an employer. For you to try and spin it that I support Freud is a blatant lie.

It seems to me that you lefties are trying to turn this debate into one about the overall record of Freud and the Tories on their handling of the disabled. That is not what this particular debate was about. I'm quite happy to have a debate on this issue but for you to try and misrepresent what he and I have said and to imply that this is the debate we're having all along is disgraceful.

You liar. Now get that abject apology sorted by close of play or there will be further lies exposed.

OK, BST has had a warning for his use of language towards you, Now you are getting a warning for your blatant wumming and trying to incite BST


Pack it in the pair of you!

[IC1967]

I apologise abjectly if it has come across that I was wumming and inciting BST. That was not my intention. I was merely trying to stand up for the severely disabled. I agree to a truce with BST and will not post any more of his lies as a sign of my good intentions.

I also apologise abjectly to Jucyberry for upsetting her. She is obviously a very nice person and I regret the hurt I have caused her. It won't happen again.

[jucyberry]

Thank you for that Mick. I appreciate it. Let's let bygones be bygones.  .

[RedRover45]

Kiss and make up ? No tongues though ;-)

[wilts rover]

Blimey Mick has someone hacked your account!

[Iberian Red]

I apologise abjectly if it has come across that I was wumming and inciting BST. That was not my intention. I was merely trying to stand up for the severely disabled. I agree to a truce with BST and will not post any more of his lies as a sign of my good intentions.

I also apologise abjectly to Jucyberry for upsetting her. She is obviously a very nice person and I regret the hurt I have caused her. It won't happen again.

You are a man in desperate need of a hobby.
Have you tried taking up the guitar?

[Dagenham Rover]

I don't mind giving lessons 50 quid an hour  its irrelevant that I retired 20 years ago I could relearn enough in a couple of weeks.....................and yes if you don't remember Mick I was a professional and made a good living 

[Filo]

Any comment on the latest opinion poll?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27330849

[Boomstick]

So. To be clear. I've offered to meet you to discuss these issues face to face and you're too busy to take that up?

You have enough time to write 4000+ posts on here under your various guises, but you don't have 30 minutes to meet someone face to face, look into their eyes and repeat some of your opinions?

Is that right?

The childish rhetoric of someone whose soundly lost an argument.

That's playground stuff old lad.

[Filo]

So. To be clear. I've offered to meet you to discuss these issues face to face and you're too busy to take that up?

You have enough time to write 4000+ posts on here under your various guises, but you don't have 30 minutes to meet someone face to face, look into their eyes and repeat some of your opinions?

Is that right?

The childish rhetoric of someone whose soundly lost an argument.

That's playground stuff old lad.

While we're on about childish rhetoric, remember this from an hour or so ago, glass houses and all that!

f**k him, Kitson.
As a Donny lad he should be ashamed. f**king insult. Where's is backbone to show loyalty to him hometown.

From now on, I propose we actually call him Jamie McDonald, as an eternal insult.

t**t.

http://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=250052.0

[IC1967]

Get in. Unemployment down yet again. Average earnings rising faster than inflation. Another 5 months of unbridled good economic news will certainly ensure Labour don't win the election. I'm so happy.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-30512657

[BillyStubbsTears]

Best have a bet on it then.

Oh I forgot. You already have.

[IC1967]

Best have a bet on it then.

Oh I forgot. You already have.

I got 2/1. The best you can get now is even money. Hopefully some of you took my advice and are going to make a nice killing like me.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I don;t give a shit what price you claim to have with the bookies. You have a bet with me.