Looking grim for Labour

[IC1967]

f***ing hell Debs. You'd better get on with that abject apology. Otherwise he might say some more about it.

How ironic. Someone who is a liar that regularly accuses me of lying making light of another liar not apologising. Typical.

[BillyStubbsTears]

We've had this on a depressingly regular basis Mick.

I've challenged you times many to find an example of ANY time that I have ever lied on here. You have never yet found one.

You have lied about everything from your name to your ability to predict National winners, to your photographic memory.

You are a pathological liar and you assume that everyone else must be too. But you have never found an example of me lying in here, despite your repeated assertions that I lie.

You are a truly odious little shit. Facts are inconvenient obstacles in any discussion with you.

[IC1967]

Right. That's it. You have until the close of play today to issue an abject apology or tomorrow I will show where you've lied. You have been warned. Now just save yourself a load of grief and get that abject apology sorted pronto.

[BillyStubbsTears]

At last! He's going to show me where I've lied.

I'll save you the wait Mick. You can get on with it right now because you wouldn't get an apology from me if you waited till Doomsday.

On with it.

[IC1967]

Was he still furious when he lied through his teeth on the subject? Maybe that explains it.

You really are a piece of work. I didn't think your reputation could sink any lower but somehow you have managed it. It is you sir that is the liar. Dave did not lie. Milliband did.

Here's what Milliband said:

'To be clear Mr Speaker about what the welfare reform minister said, but it's very serious, he didn't just say that disabled people aren't worth the minimum wage. He went further and he said, and I quote, he was looking at, and I quote whether there's something we could do if someone wants to work for £2 an hour. Mr Speaker, surely someone holding those views can't possibly stay in his government.'

Here's what Dave said:

'Those are not the views of the government, they are not the views of anyone in the government.'

The bit in bold is the blatant lie. The unpaid minister categorically didn't say that. He was referring to a small minority of disabled people that couldn't get a job because employers considered them not worth the minimum wage. Milliband spun it as though the unpaid minister was talking about all disabled people. Totally disgraceful. No wonder Dave said what he did. He was being totally truthful. All the unpaid minister said was he was wondering whether there is something they could do (i.e. top up their wages through benefits to the minimum wage level) if someone (who wouldn't be able to get a job otherwise) wants to work for £2 an hour.

You, Milliband and your friends really are pathetic and you disgust all right minded people. To try to make capital out of the good intentions of this unpaid minister by lying about what he said is morally reprehensible in the extreme.

That didn't take long. You lied about Dave telling a lie about the lie that Milliband spouted at PMQ's.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Mick

f**k me this is hard work.

I said that Cameron had said "Those are not the views of the government, they are not the views of anyone in the government."

"Those views" being the view that disabled people were not worth the minimum wage.

But they ARE the views of someone in Govt. They are the views of Lord Freud. Out of his own mouth. So Cameron was blatantly lying.

What the f**k has Miliband got to do with this. I never mentioned anything that Miliband said.

[IC1967]

Mick

f*** me this is hard work.

I said that Cameron had said "Those are not the views of the government, they are not the views of anyone in the government."

"Those views" being the view that disabled people were not worth the minimum wage.

But they ARE the views of someone in Govt. They are the views of Lord Freud. Out of his own mouth. So Cameron was blatantly lying.

What the f*** has Miliband got to do with this. I never mentioned anything that Miliband said.

I've highlighted the bit in bold that is the lie you are responsible for. You lied and are still lying even now! The minister did not say that disabled people are not worth the minimum wage. He said that a small group of severely disabled are not worth the minimum wage. His choice of words could have been better as the way it appears as written, taken totally out of context does not represent what he obviously meant.

There you have it. Categoric evidence that you are a liar. You challenged me to find a lie. You are such a liar that you didn't realise there was a disgraceful lie in the thread where you issued the challenge. Unbelievable.

You then ask what has Milliband got to do with it. The alleged lie that you accused Dave of was in response to Milliband's lie so it has got everything to do with liar Milliband. It seems when you are a liar you can't differentiate who else is a liar and who is telling the truth.

Let me make it clear as your brain is obviously addled. You lied when you stated that Freud does believe that disabled people are not worth the minimum wage. He never said that. He only said it about a very small group of severely disabled people. You have lied in that you have said he said it about all disabled people.

What a liar you are.

Look. I'm making you look daft.Get that abject apology sorted and I won't expose anymore of your lies. You've got until close of play today.

[IC1967]

f***ing hell Debs. You'd better get on with that abject apology. Otherwise he might say some more about it.

Just get on with it will you.

[IC1967]

Hahaha. Labour in meltdown in Scotland.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-29772670

[IC1967]

Come on Billy. You claim you're not a liar. Show us all where I'm wrong.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Ok. I'm happy to accept that there is a semantic argument to be made on this. That Cameron carefully chose words that can generously interpreted as meaning that no-one in Govt believes that ALL disabled people are not worth the minimum wage, whilst carefully avoiding the self-evident truth that one of his trusted lieutenants clearly thinks that SOME disabled people are not worth the minimum wage.

So, if I overstate the case when I called Cameron a barefaced liar, when what I should have called him was a miserable, deceiving dissembler then ok. If you want to take that as evidence that I deliberately and maliciously lied, that's fine by me.

Now. About your rap sheet.

We'll start with a simple one. Are you the same person as MadMick50 and mjdgreg?

[Dagenham Rover]

Ok. I'm happy to accept that there is a semantic argument to be made on this. That Cameron carefully chose words that can generously interpreted as meaning that no-one in Govt believes that ALL disabled people are not worth the minimum wage, whilst carefully avoiding the self-evident truth that one of his trusted lieutenants clearly thinks that SOME disabled people are not worth the minimum wage.

So, if I overstate the case when I called Cameron a barefaced liar, when what I should have called him was a miserable, deceiving dissembler then ok. If you want to take that as evidence that I deliberately and maliciously lied, that's fine by me.

Now. About your rap sheet.

We'll start with a simple one. Are you the same person as MadMick50 and mjdgreg?

actually Cameron changed the wording to suit

[IC1967]

Ok. I'm happy to accept that there is a semantic argument to be made on this. That Cameron carefully chose words that can generously interpreted as meaning that no-one in Govt believes that ALL disabled people are not worth the minimum wage, whilst carefully avoiding the self-evident truth that one of his trusted lieutenants clearly thinks that SOME disabled people are not worth the minimum wage.

So, if I overstate the case when I called Cameron a barefaced liar, when what I should have called him was a miserable, deceiving dissembler then ok. If you want to take that as evidence that I deliberately and maliciously lied, that's fine by me.

Now. About your rap sheet.

We'll start with a simple one. Are you the same person as MadMick50 and mjdgreg?

I don't call that an abject apology. You still try and twist what was said and give it totally the wrong meaning. This is not good enough. There will be more evidence tomorrow.

[IC1967]

While I'm at it we're still waiting for an abject apology from your partner in crime Jucy. She's gone very quiet. I wonder why.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Are you the same person as MadMick50 and mjdgreg?

[IC1967]

Are you the same person as MadMick50 and mjdgreg?

Like I say, I answer all questions. I am IC1967.

[IC1967]

Ok. I'm happy to accept that there is a semantic argument to be made on this. That Cameron carefully chose words that can generously interpreted as meaning that no-one in Govt believes that ALL disabled people are not worth the minimum wage, whilst carefully avoiding the self-evident truth that one of his trusted lieutenants clearly thinks that SOME disabled people are not worth the minimum wage.

So, if I overstate the case when I called Cameron a barefaced liar, when what I should have called him was a miserable, deceiving dissembler then ok. If you want to take that as evidence that I deliberately and maliciously lied, that's fine by me.

Now. About your rap sheet.

We'll start with a simple one. Are you the same person as MadMick50 and mjdgreg?

actually Cameron changed the wording to suit

What are you on about? Cameron replied to the lie and misrepresentation of what was said  by  Milliband. It was Milliband that changed the wording to imply that Freud was talking about all disabled people when clearly he wasn't. Get a grip man.

[Dagenham Rover]

Ok. I'm happy to accept that there is a semantic argument to be made on this. That Cameron carefully chose words that can generously interpreted as meaning that no-one in Govt believes that ALL disabled people are not worth the minimum wage, whilst carefully avoiding the self-evident truth that one of his trusted lieutenants clearly thinks that SOME disabled people are not worth the minimum wage.

So, if I overstate the case when I called Cameron a barefaced liar, when what I should have called him was a miserable, deceiving dissembler then ok. If you want to take that as evidence that I deliberately and maliciously lied, that's fine by me.

Now. About your rap sheet.

We'll start with a simple one. Are you the same person as MadMick50 and mjdgreg?

actually Cameron changed the wording to suit

What are you on about? Cameron replied to the lie and misrepresentation of what was said  by  Milliband. It was Milliband that changed the wording to imply that Freud was talking about all disabled people when clearly he wasn't. Get a grip man.

Cameron changed the wording to imply Freud wasn't refering to all disabled people .. get a grip man

[IC1967]

Ok. I'm happy to accept that there is a semantic argument to be made on this. That Cameron carefully chose words that can generously interpreted as meaning that no-one in Govt believes that ALL disabled people are not worth the minimum wage, whilst carefully avoiding the self-evident truth that one of his trusted lieutenants clearly thinks that SOME disabled people are not worth the minimum wage.

So, if I overstate the case when I called Cameron a barefaced liar, when what I should have called him was a miserable, deceiving dissembler then ok. If you want to take that as evidence that I deliberately and maliciously lied, that's fine by me.

Now. About your rap sheet.

We'll start with a simple one. Are you the same person as MadMick50 and mjdgreg?

actually Cameron changed the wording to suit

What are you on about? Cameron replied to the lie and misrepresentation of what was said  by  Milliband. It was Milliband that changed the wording to imply that Freud was talking about all disabled people when clearly he wasn't. Get a grip man.

Cameron changed the wording to imply Freud wasn't refering to all disabled people .. get a grip man

So let's get this straight. You're saying Freud was referring to all disabled people. You've been reading too much Billy bullshit and taking it at face value. Don't you know he is a liar?

[Dagenham Rover]

Ok. I'm happy to accept that there is a semantic argument to be made on this. That Cameron carefully chose words that can generously interpreted as meaning that no-one in Govt believes that ALL disabled people are not worth the minimum wage, whilst carefully avoiding the self-evident truth that one of his trusted lieutenants clearly thinks that SOME disabled people are not worth the minimum wage.

So, if I overstate the case when I called Cameron a barefaced liar, when what I should have called him was a miserable, deceiving dissembler then ok. If you want to take that as evidence that I deliberately and maliciously lied, that's fine by me.

Now. About your rap sheet.

We'll start with a simple one. Are you the same person as MadMick50 and mjdgreg?

actually Cameron changed the wording to suit

What are you on about? Cameron replied to the lie and misrepresentation of what was said  by  Milliband. It was Milliband that changed the wording to imply that Freud was talking about all disabled people when clearly he wasn't. Get a grip man.

Cameron changed the wording to imply Freud wasn't refering to all disabled people .. get a grip man

So let's get this straight. You're saying Freud was referring to all disabled people. You've been reading too much Billy bullshit and taking it at face value. Don't you know he is a liar?

No fella its what Freud said

[IC1967]

No he never. You will not be able to provide any proof that what you say is true because it isn't. Even Billy has admitted as much. You need to stop taking what your leftie friends say at face value. I will be here to expose you.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Are you the same person as MadMick50 and mjdgreg? It's a very simple question. Yes or no answer.

I'll show you how easy it is:

Am I the same person as MadMick50 and mjdgreg?

Answer: No.

What could be easier?

Are you the same person as MadMick50 and mjdgreg?

[Dagenham Rover]

No he never. You will not be able to provide any proof that what you say is true because it isn't. Even Billy has admitted as much. You need to stop taking what your leftie friends say at face value. I will be here to expose you.

ok and what about the other idiot who said virtually the same thing

[IC1967]

Are you the same person as MadMick50 and mjdgreg? It's a very simple question. Yes or no answer.

I'll show you how easy it is:

Am I the same person as MadMick50 and mjdgreg?

Answer: No.

What could be easier?

Are you the same person as MadMick50 and mjdgreg?

How many times do you want me to answer? I'll give it one more go. I am IC1967!!!

[BillyStubbsTears]

Are you the same person as MadMick50 and mjdgreg?

[IC1967]

No he never. You will not be able to provide any proof that what you say is true because it isn't. Even Billy has admitted as much. You need to stop taking what your leftie friends say at face value. I will be here to expose you.

ok and what about the other idiot who said virtually the same thing

Like I say, you shouldn't take what your leftie friends say at face value. Jucy has made this up as well. I'm still waiting for her to either prove her point or give us an abject apology. She's gone very quiet. I think we all know why.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Are you the same person as MadMick50 and mjdgreg?

[Dagenham Rover]

No he never. You will not be able to provide any proof that what you say is true because it isn't. Even Billy has admitted as much. You need to stop taking what your leftie friends say at face value. I will be here to expose you.

ok and what about the other idiot who said virtually the same thing

Like I say, you shouldn't take what your leftie friends say at face value. Jucy has made this up as well. I'm still waiting for her to either prove her point or give us an abject apology. She's gone very quiet. I think we all know why.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/disabled-are-grateful-so-work-harder-says-tory-minister-9804276.html

anyway answer the question  Are you the same person as MadMick50 and mjdgreg?   

[IC1967]

No he never. You will not be able to provide any proof that what you say is true because it isn't. Even Billy has admitted as much. You need to stop taking what your leftie friends say at face value. I will be here to expose you.

ok and what about the other idiot who said virtually the same thing

Like I say, you shouldn't take what your leftie friends say at face value. Jucy has made this up as well. I'm still waiting for her to either prove her point or give us an abject apology. She's gone very quiet. I think we all know why.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/disabled-are-grateful-so-work-harder-says-tory-minister-9804276.html

anyway answer the question  Are you the same person as MadMick50 and mjdgreg?   

What was the point of you posting that link? Nowhere does it infer that a Tory thinks the disabled should all work for £2 an hour. Seriously, you lefties need to get a grip and try telling the truth for a change. 

As to your question about my identity, I refer you to my previous (very recent) posts which answer this question.

[Dagenham Rover]

You are not answering the question, yes you are IC1967 but are you also MadMick50 and mjdgreg  single word answer please  yes or no

Edited as I put a capital A in the word Mad which would give him an excuse to deny