JR simply didn't have enough cash

[pib]

'A black day for football'?

No, it's a good day for football when egotistical individuals without sufficient funds are blocked from taking over a community club.

looks like you have finally let your thoughts on JR come out into the open then.  I dont understand why you did not make your opinions clear before and then at least say to JR, prove me wrong

You'll have to excuse me for being ignorant, but where in this post do I mention John?

I've made my thoughts clear on more than one occasion that I've never been happy with the governance of football and how easy it's been for people without the right intentions to take control of football clubs for the wrong reasons.

Head to the main page of this website and read what I wrote about the VSC meeting with Clive Efford MP.

There we have it.

You are being a bit ignorant. You don't always have to spell it out for people to know exactly who you mean.

Here you go then... If you weren't referring to JR, then who were you referring to? And if you were referring to someone else, why would you use a quote from JR to make your point?

[silent majority]

It's general statement based on the governance issues within football. Simple.

[pib]

It's general statement based on the governance issues within football. Simple.

So you think everybody who tries to take over a football club without having millions in liquid assets to do so is an 'egotistical indivudal'?

[RedJ]

It's general statement based on the governance issues within football. Simple.

So you think everybody who tries to take over a football club without having millions in liquid assets to do so is an 'egotistical indivudal'?

Quite a few are. Cellino for example.

[Drover]

It's general statement based on the governance issues within football. Simple.

Sorry SM but it looks more like a "Im desperate to points finger's at individuals but I say Im not and will not name names because I've been warned I will face legal action and will have to prove claims I make about them" 

[Bristol Red Rover]

Such a boring discussion developing, drop it ffs 

For JR to have failed at the first hurdle like this shows very little nouse. To claim confidence and enthusiasm trumps that kind of mistaken sense of reality is equally native. So many businesses fail when the bubble bursts

[GazLaz]

It's general statement based on the governance issues within football. Simple.

Sorry SM but it looks more like a "Im desperate to points finger's at individuals but I say Im not and will not name names because I've been warned I will face legal action and will have to prove claims I make about them" 

That's not a coincidence, many of Martin's posts are sly digs.

[hoolahoop]

It's general statement based on the governance issues within football. Simple.

So you think everybody who tries to take over a football club without having millions in liquid assets to do so is an 'egotistical indivudal'?

Quite a few are. Cellino for example.

Ah but he DOES have the cash reportedly but will he spend much of it or watch the Weeds be demoted ?
What is his aim at Bellend ?

[hoolahoop]

It's general statement based on the governance issues within football. Simple.

Sorry SM but it looks more like a "Im desperate to points finger's at individuals but I say Im not and will not name names because I've been warned I will face legal action and will have to prove claims I make about them" 

That's not a coincidence, many of Martin's posts are sly digs.

As are yours Gaz this is a forum. A talking shop, where folk can air their views.
Martin also has that right as an individual..,...hasn't he ?

[GazLaz]

It's general statement based on the governance issues within football. Simple.

Sorry SM but it looks more like a "Im desperate to points finger's at individuals but I say Im not and will not name names because I've been warned I will face legal action and will have to prove claims I make about them" 

That's not a coincidence, many of Martin's posts are sly digs.

As are yours Gaz this is a forum. A talking shop, where folk can air their views.
Martin also has that right as an individual..,...hasn't he ?

Course he does, everyone does. It's the way he does it though that grates on me.

[RedJ]

It's general statement based on the governance issues within football. Simple.

So you think everybody who tries to take over a football club without having millions in liquid assets to do so is an 'egotistical indivudal'?

Quite a few are. Cellino for example.

Ah but he DOES have the cash reportedly but will he spend much of it or watch the Weeds be demoted ?
What is his aim at Bellend ?

Haven't a clue to be honest, was just giving one example of an egotistical personality in charge of an English club.

Tan is probably the best example actually.

[Al4475]

The guy at hull, and the previous owner at man city also come into that category and the guy that tried to be involved with brum a few years back would I imagine fulfill the criteria!

[silent majority]

It's general statement based on the governance issues within football. Simple.

Sorry SM but it looks more like a "Im desperate to points finger's at individuals but I say Im not and will not name names because I've been warned I will face legal action and will have to prove claims I make about them" 

That's not a coincidence, many of Martin's posts are sly digs.

As are yours Gaz this is a forum. A talking shop, where folk can air their views.
Martin also has that right as an individual..,...hasn't he ?

Course he does, everyone does. It's the way he does it though that grates on me.

Strangely enough Gaz I don't like the way that you write either, but I don't do personal insults, unlike something you wrote earlier;

Martin is a prick. He is a massive reason people are against the VSC.

Ring any bells?

[GazLaz]

That's just my opinion. Everyone's entitled to an opinion.

[CraigyBoy]

I never thought I'd see the day when the vsc - or maybe just one of them with his nose out of joint and an axe to grind because he can't sit with the big boys at the club any more - takes great satisfaction at the demise of John Ryan. It's a sad, sad day indeed.

Love how you did the whole "Rich (sic)" thing. He might not have five million pounds in cash sitting in his bank account but if you think he's not rich then maybe you own more than two bentleys and a huge house in Cheshire - in addition to businesses and investments?

Like I said, a sad, sad day for drfc. This isn't about money or any "fit and proper" tests, this whole reaction from the vsc is about gleefully enjoying paying someone back for excluding them. I find that really childish in the scheme of things.

[PDX_Rover]

I don't think its a case of not having the money, surely between them they have. 5 million to fund the "Business Plan", shouldn't have troubled the two.

The problem seemed to be they simply couldn't provide evidence of this "Liquid funding", which came as no surprise to me . Lets face it, majority of JR and LT wealth will be in investment accounts, not current or saving accounts.

Assuming both had a couple of "Current" and a couple of "Saving" accounts, I doubt more than 140K is in the accounts, as legislation only "Guarantees" 35K "Refund" if bank goes "Tits UP" ala Northern Rock, so both would be a little foolish to have millions in these type of accounts.

I'd be very surprised if JR has any money in UK high street banks. More likely offshored somewhere that is tax favourable.

[Glyn_Wigley]

That's just my opinion. Everyone's entitled to an opinion.

Sure, but it doesn't mean you're entitled to air it wherever you like in whatever tone or language you want to.

[StocktonRover]

I think jr is an egotistical person who puts his image above all else. I have stated it before and stand by it.
Thing is I have never courted a seat at the top table or fear losing one so why do I think along the same lines as SM?

I'll tell you why - because in my opinion he has demonstrated the traits of an egotistical self absorbed individual.

There's nothing to be gained by raking up all of the facts again so why don't we accept that some of us have not bought the JR is god stance and instead of stirring up more division unite behind what we have left.

I'm looking forward to the season more now than I was a week ago.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Like I said, a sad, sad day for drfc. This isn't about money or any "fit and proper" tests, this whole reaction from the vsc is about gleefully enjoying paying someone back for excluding them. I find that really childish in the scheme of things.

Your entitled to your opinion based on what you have been told but the opposite is nearer the truth. JR chose to make it personal not S_M. 

After the last 12 months or more I can understand why Martin feels he's entitled to make strong comments. I wouldn't have liked to be threatened in the way he was in a childish act of retribution for something Martin wasn't even responsible for.

[Tokyos Boot]

I never thought I'd see the day when the vsc - or maybe just one of them with his nose out of joint and an axe to grind because he can't sit with the big boys at the club any more - takes great satisfaction at the demise of John Ryan. It's a sad, sad day indeed.

Love how you did the whole "Rich (sic)" thing. He might not have five million pounds in cash sitting in his bank account but if you think he's not rich then maybe you own more than two bentleys and a huge house in Cheshire - in addition to businesses and investments?

Like I said, a sad, sad day for drfc. This isn't about money or any "fit and proper" tests, this whole reaction from the vsc is about gleefully enjoying paying someone back for excluding them. I find that really childish in the scheme of things.

 

[BillyStubbsTears]

Sense of humour on hold boys? Personally, I found that (sic) a sharp witticism given what happened yesterday. This place used to have that sort of sense of humour as a requirement for signing on.

[silent majority]

Craigyboy/Tokyo etc,

It's nothing to do with having my nose 'out of joint' or not sitting with the big boys. If you had done a modicum of research you may have realised what my aims and objectives have been for the last 15 years, but you choose not too. That's OK.

But all the people involved in the supporters movements have been working for some time to have the FA, PL and FL tighten up their rules to ensure that clubs are not at the mercy of owners who have alternative motives or objectives that don't suit the supporters of those clubs. There's far too many examples to list, but the pretty common ones are Ken Bates, John Batchelor, Vincent Tan, Dave Allen, Milan Mandaric, and our very own Ken Richardson etc etc.

So when I said it was a good day for football that's exactly what I meant. It's not a black day, in the supporters movements it's a bloody good one. It means yet again that a football club is not being used as a toy for someone's amusement; it means a community still has a football club to be proud of.

It's not about me, it's about doing what's best for the club. It's certainly not about paying anyone back, anybody who thinks that couldn't possibly understand how I think and what I do. I think you guys need to grow up and accept that this is a good day for football.

[godlike1]

The guy at hull, and the previous owner at man city also come into that category and the guy that tried to be involved with brum a few years back would I imagine fulfill the criteria!

I'd agree with that list of people fulfilling that criteria

Not JR though, I think his dreams for a successful rovers have lead him to be misguided at times

The fact that he has tried defending himself in public to those who disagree with his thoughts does not make him egotistical though hence why SM's sly dig at him (although he will never admit this) to me was uncalled for a lack any form of class

I know one thing which is that we all just need to move on now and hope TB & DW are able to give PD a budget to help him challenge at the top of the league. I have my doubts based on the sustainable strategy & but I hope I'm wrong and hope to have a season where we win far more games than loose

[RobTheRover]

Ok,  so your opinion is that JR isn't egotistical whilst SM's opinion is that he is. Glad we got to the bottom of that.

Like you say,  it's time to move on.

[godlike1]

Ok,  so your opinion is that JR isn't egotistical whilst SM's opinion is that he is. Glad we got to the bottom of that.

Like you say,  it's time to move on.

Yup .................................not quite sure why you needed to clarify that, admittedly my grammer/spelling was not great but I blame my phone for that.

It is time to move on I agree because the whole zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzz...........................................:-)

[BobG]

Why is it, do you think, that the Tomlinson tweet that he has been misled has had hardly a mention on here? Is Tommo making it up? Or was he misled? If he was, by whom? Hmmm. Who would have a reason to do that then?

Today is a good day for footer in this country. You may believe it to be a bad day for DRFC, but for footy generally, the action of the FL, FA, whoever, signals quite a major turning point. We should all, everyone across the land, be grateful for it too.

BobG

[bpoolrover]

I'm not quite sure what to think,on 1 hand if jr does not have the money/assets to run the club then the right descion has been made,if he has the money/assets and the fl have made a bad descion then it's not a good day for football,it will be interesting the next guy who is dodgy at best comes to by a bigger club than ours if the fl veto them

[RobTheRover]

Ok,  so your opinion is that JR isn't egotistical whilst SM's opinion is that he is. Glad we got to the bottom of that.

Like you say,  it's time to move on.

Yup .................................not quite sure why you needed to clarify that, admittedly my grammer/spelling was not great but I blame my phone for that.

It is time to move on I agree because the whole zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzz...........................................:-)

My point is that it doesnt really mater one way or the other - the club goes on.  I've always said football club owners dont really own the club.  They are merely the lucky custodians, transiently steering it forward on behalf of the true owners, the fans.

[godlike1]

Given what has happened to us I've just had a thought that it will be interesting to see what happens in the owls takeover

[Drover]

Like I said, a sad, sad day for drfc. This isn't about money or any "fit and proper" tests, this whole reaction from the vsc is about gleefully enjoying paying someone back for excluding them. I find that really childish in the scheme of things.

Your entitled to your opinion based on what you have been told but the opposite is nearer the truth. JR chose to make it personal not S_M. 

After the last 12 months or more I can understand why Martin feels he's entitled to make strong comments. I wouldn't have liked to be threatened in the way he was in a childish act of retribution for something Martin wasn't even responsible for.

What you talking about DBR?I thought Martin was warned about legal action for things he posted about certain people,you and other VSC members prefer to use the term threatened,thats your choice,but in a childish act of retribution for something was not responsible for?Is there more to this that the rest do not know about?