Evans

[Askern_reds]

Your all forgetting 1thing that's for sure , he's got writes ? Yes human writes ? And if politicians well some ? Say Jack the Ripper ,hindley .and the rest of the murdering gets have got writes ,then so as Evans to to carry on his trade . And before you all start ,majority not watching Donny no more till Dickov sacked the rest not comein if we sighned him that will leave about ten of us, bet more than that turn up if we did

[Glyn_Wigley]

Your all forgetting 1thing that's for sure , he's got writes ? Yes human writes ? And if politicians well some ? Say Jack the Ripper ,hindley .and the rest of the murdering gets have got writes ,then so as Evans to to carry on his trade . And before you all start ,majority not watching Donny no more till Dickov sacked the rest not comein if we sighned him that will leave about ten of us, bet more than that turn up if we did

And which human right do you think he's entitled under the HRA that he's not getting?

Here it is, knock yourself out...

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1998/42/schedule/1

[Askern_reds]

 To do his work simple as that

[Wiltshire Exile]

I've looked into this case quite a lot and the only evidence there is, is that the girl was too drunk to consent.

Am I missing something here? The girl was too drunk to consent. Evans had sex without her consent. Get it? No consent = RAPE. How much more do you want it spelt out?

I think you must be missing something... She wasn't too drunk to consent with one guy but she was with the other.
And who's to say she was too drunk anyhow?

You said that you had looked into the case "and the only evidence there is, is that the girl was too drunk to consent." The jury believed her story, and found Evans guilty. Read my lips: "The jury believed her."

[dickos1]

Ok, so are you trying tell me that a jury has never been wrong?

[dickos1]

I've done jury service and it was a farce

[DRFCSouth]

Another point is that he hasn't played competitively for 2 years or so. His record wasn't prolific before being sent down. He had one good season if my memory serves right. And to end, no thanks.

[Askern_reds]

Well said Dicko ? Look through history how many miscarriages of justice

[Askern_reds]

He asnt played for too years true ? But he's still best forward in this div iff not championship aswell as for just have in 1good season ? What's are current forwards done ?

[DRFCSouth]

His record at Sheff U at best is 1 every 2.5 games. Most of which would have been league 1 goals. My point was that he has had 2 years out, whatever game he had is likely to have suffered. As for best in league 1, maybe 2-3 years back, now more than likely not. Championship, not a chance. I'm not going to get into his rights and wrongs, just a no from me though.

[StocktonRover]

Well said Dicko ? Look through history how many miscarriages of justice

As a percentage of cases deliberated on by a jury, the number that are a miscarriage are negligible.

[MachoMadness]

His record doesn't enter into it. He is a convicted rapist, an unrepentant one at that. The guy isn't being stopped from working altogether, therefore his human rights aren't affected. Let him f**k off into any other profession, one where he'll slave away for 50 years then die without anyone remembering his name, the scumbag.

[Glyn_Wigley]

To do his work simple as that

Firstly, there is no part of the Human Rights Act that covers that.

Secondly, no ones taken any such right away from him. He is free to play for anyone that wants to pay him to. If he's made himself unemployable, that's his fault, no-one else's. You can't force anyone to employ him if they don't want to.

[acko]

very bad argument stockton when you say the wrong convictions are negilible so as long as we get 9 out of 10 right thats ok,and didnt we hang someone called evans guilty by a jury then found not guilty oops sorry how do we mend a broken neck.2 years out of football nothing alick jeffrey was out a hell of a lot longer still proved to be the best striker we ever had.

[StocktonRover]

Acko - stop being so melodramatic, we're not talking about the death penalty.

My response was to what you had said - read it in that context

[Glyn_Wigley]

very bad argument stockton when you say the wrong convictions are negilible

He didn't say that.

[dickos1]

The number may be negligible but it shows it happens, if his appeal is successful then is he all of a sudden a decent bloke?

[southwestexile]

I've done jury service and it was a farce

Maybe you should've done better?

[IDM]

The number may be negligible but it shows it happens, if his appeal is successful then is he all of a sudden a decent bloke?

No, if he is successful he is no longer a convicted rapist, he's then cleared his name.  Then whether we want him to join us is whether we like him as a footballer or not.

As Leroy said on the FLS the other day, he needs to concentrate on clearing his name first.

yet there is two types of murder,prmeditated or manslaughter so if rape is rape murder is murder

No, murder is premeditated by definition - or it isn't murder!  If you deliberately intend to kill someone, that's murder.  If you punch someone in a pub fight and they fall, hit their head on the kerb and die, it's manslaughter (most likely).  If you drive dangerously, and kill another driver or a pedestrian, it is probably "death by danerous driving".

[dickos1]

Just full of self employed people who are losing money on a daily basis. On my case there were two people on trial. Both needed to be found guilty/not guilty to reach a decision. So in the end people just said whatever was the quickest way to get themselves back to work

[coventryrover]

Well said Dicko ? Look through history how many miscarriages of justice

And look how many more have been got right.  The law of probabilities, and the little fact that no consent was given, means the verdict was correct.

[dickos1]

She says she was too drunk to consent, he says consent was given.
She can't remember,
She's accused a number of other people of similar offences, evidence that wasn't allowed to be given to the jury.

[Bentley Bullet]

Evans hasn't expressed remorse regarding the rape charge because he's claiming he is innocent.

There are various degrees of rape and the sentence imposed is meant to reflect the severity of it. Evans 30 months term could well be an indication that the degree of his offence is at the lower end of the scale.

 Personally I think it's probably better all round to wait until his appeal is heard.

[coventryrover]

She says she was too drunk to consent, he says consent was given.
She can't remember,
She's accused a number of other people of similar offences, evidence that wasn't allowed to be given to the jury.

It wasnt consensual sex, ergo rape.

[idler]

Just maybe those condoning his actions would be quite happy to have sex with a woman too drunk either to say yes or remember later saying yes.

[acko]

all the video evidence shows this girl walking unaided into pizza parlour,it also shows her walking unaided into hotel on both occasions with high heeled shoes,the owner of the hotel stated she didnt scream shout for help or sound in distress,all of this was shown in the court trial.but a few hours latter she claims she was too drunk to no if she said yes or no.maybe she thought aye aye there could be cash in this.and further more i have already said who would you put your money on having a jolly christmas,the girl or the parents of the two kids killed by mccormack,and dont come this crap he showed remorse it doesnt do anything for me saying sorry

[idler]

By using the word maybe in your scenario it would be thrown out as speculation though surely.

[Glyn_Wigley]

If you're going to use 'maybe', maybe she could have been your sister or daughter.

[Bentley Bullet]

Maybe he's innocent, like the Guildford Four, the Birmingham Six, the Bridgewater Four, Barry George, Stefan Kisko, Stephen Downing, and not forgetting the child killers Sally Clark and Angela Cannings.

[StocktonRover]

And maybe he's innocent like Peter Sutcliffe, Fred West, Ian Huntley, Jimmy Saville, Adolf Hitler..........