UKIP self-implosion

[BillyStubbsTears]

Good fun int it?

First of all, Nigel vanishes from the election campaign because he's dosed up on Panadol for a bad back.

Then he fails to win the seat that he was supposed to be a shoo-in for. So much of a shoo-in that he'd promised to resign if he didn't win it.

Then he shows that he's obviously in possession of a copy of the Micktionary, where words mean what HE wants them to mean, rather than what the rest of the world thinks they mean

resign (v): The act of NOT standing down from your post after failing, but instead continuing in your post because the NEC that's full of your supporters wants you to carry on

Then there's a spat over money, where UKIP, the party of the common people that is different from other parties and doesn't believe in the gravy train, wants to collect £650,000 in short money from Westminster for having 1 MP, so that it can empoy 15 SpAds.

Then all hell breaks loose and top brass start having a hissy fit in public, with so many breifings an moans going that the BBC are having do do a live news feed on the topic.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-32726181

Tune in tomorrow for the next installment of "How to destroy a political party".

Did I say "political party"? I meant "Farage's vanity project".

[BillyStubbsTears]

PS:

Quote of the day.

UKIP is the first party ever to have a backbench rebellion when they only have 1MP.

[IC1967]

All that's happening is the growing pains of the soon to be second force in UK politics.

What's happening is as nothing that we'll see when Labour starts debating who the next leader will be.

I can't wait. It's going to be a right laugh. I love watching the potential leaders wriggle every time they're asked if Labour overspent. The public want them to admit it but the party doesn't. So the potential leaders can't win. If one of them is brave enough to admit the truth then the public will start to take them a bit more seriously. However the party will be apoplectic. Lol.

[Glyn_Wigley]

'Growing pans' is a pathetic excuse for an absolute bloody shambles.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32734220

[hoolahoop]

'Growing pans' is a pathetic excuse for an absolute bloody shambles.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32734220

That absolute shambles attracted numpty supporters to its banner fighting an election on virtually 2 issues I.e. Immigration and exit from the EU.

It's ironic that those same voters gifted the Tories a small majority. The Tories need to realise that the time for all the gloating and back slapping is over,.......they need to deliver.
Some of the stuff I'm hearing already suggests that he is going to find it nigh on impossible to deliver their manifesto pledges.
Whatever Cameron does he falls out with the electorate, the Scots, the EU and probably more importantly with the far Right of the party.
The next resignation will be his , or a knife in the back.

Strangely enough the sole UKIP M.P. will not need to worry about the same threat.
Lol

[Savvy]

'Growing pans' is a pathetic excuse for an absolute bloody shambles.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32734220

That absolute shambles attracted numpty supporters to its banner fighting an election on virtually 2 issues I.e. Immigration and exit from the EU.

It's ironic that those same voters gifted the Tories a small majority. The Tories need to realise that the time for all the gloating and back slapping is over,.......they need to deliver.
Some of the stuff I'm hearing already suggests that he is going to find it nigh on impossible to deliver their manifesto pledges.
Whatever Cameron does he falls out with the electorate, the Scots, the EU and probably more importantly with the far Right of the party.
The next resignation will be his , or a knife in the back.

Strangely enough the sole UKIP M.P. will not need to worry about the same threat.
Lol

Good fun int it?

First of all, Nigel vanishes from the election campaign because he's dosed up on Panadol for a bad back.

Then he fails to win the seat that he was supposed to be a shoo-in for. So much of a shoo-in that he'd promised to resign if he didn't win it.

Then he shows that he's obviously in possession of a copy of the Micktionary, where words mean what HE wants them to mean, rather than what the rest of the world thinks they mean

resign (v): The act of NOT standing down from your post after failing, but instead continuing in your post because the NEC that's full of your supporters wants you to carry on

Then there's a spat over money, where UKIP, the party of the common people that is different from other parties and doesn't believe in the gravy train, wants to collect £650,000 in short money from Westminster for having 1 MP, so that it can empoy 15 SpAds.

Then all hell breaks loose and top brass start having a hissy fit in public, with so many breifings an moans going that the BBC are having do do a live news feed on the topic.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-32726181

Tune in tomorrow for the next installment of "How to destroy a political party".

Did I say "political party"? I meant "Farage's vanity project".

Almost as funny as watching the Labour Party struggle to find some sort of identity!!!!  Just think on Billy its the old empty rhetoric that's been doing the rounds for years, but remember this, blowing someone's light out doesn't make yours shine any brighter!!!

[IC1967]

Guess who's on Question Time tonight. Nige!

What you'll get is a straight talking politician for a change who will say it as it is. Makes a nice refreshing change from establishment politicians who have forgotten how to answer a question honestly.

You know what they say. There's no such thing as bad publicity. I fully expect UKIPs's membership to grow after this latest publicity stunt.

I think you lefties will find that us UKippers aren't in the least bit bothered about today's shenanigans. We have a sense of humour and find the constant scrapes the party gets in quite amusing.

It shows we are real people not pretending to be something we're not. Unlike you nice lefties that are more bothered about what people think of you than you are with living in the real world.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Just kicking the cat Savvy

[BobG]

I'm finding Mick's trenchant assertion, in another of his idiotic threads, that UKIP will be the second major partty in 10 years time, so hilarious that I'm almost wetting myself. Lol. The bloke's an utter plank. Not only can he not learn the lesson of the SDP (wassat then?) and the limitations inherent in a single issue party, but he can't work out from the news this last 2 or 3 days that UKIP is imploding. This is our Resident Idiot's funniest yet.

It's pretty fun too watching that wazzock Farage twist in the wind.

Cheers

BobG

[River Don]

Well I voted UKIP.

It maybe a single issue party but UK independence is a mighty big issue.

If UKIP tear themselves apart or collapse, I would be left without a vote because I will not vote for a pro EU party.

The EU as it is now is neither democratic enough or practical. The Germans want to sell cars at Greek prices and the Greeks want to sell olives at German prices. The differentials are far too wide and I believe the EU will not be able to hold together as a political construct despite all their best efforts. I would rather the UK does not find itself entwined in this mess.

And if we do vote to go in fully, I will still believe it isn't good for us and I will still need a civic nationalist party to vote for that believes will we are better off independent.

[IC1967]

I'm finding Mick's trenchant assertion, in another of his idiotic threads, that UKIP will be the second major partty in 10 years time, so hilarious that I'm almost wetting myself. Lol. The bloke's an utter plank. Not only can he not learn the lesson of the SDP (wassat then?) and the limitations inherent in a single issue party, but he can't work out from the news this last 2 or 3 days that UKIP is imploding. This is our Resident Idiot's funniest yet.

It's pretty fun too watching that wazzock Farage twist in the wind.

Cheers

BobG

You're best mate silly Billy doesn't think UKIP are a single issue party. They used to be but thanks to Labour and the Tories not offering a referendum they have grown and grown. They are now the third largest party. Given my excellent predictive powers I'm surprised you are so dismissive of my UKIP prediction.

Your complacency is breathtaking and is indicative of Labour's mindset that has seen them destroyed in Scotland. It is not too big a stretch of the imagination to see the same thing happening in England.
Socialism is dead but Labour haven't realised it and this will ultimately destroy them.

Get in.

[River Don]

Socialism is not dead.

We are destined to battle between socialism and capitalism and the centre will always be difficult to define. People will always vote for what they perceive to be the centre, they want the prosperity capitalism will bring but at the same time they fear the unfairness and the horrors that unfettered capitalism that the likes of Charles Dickens illustrated.

We want progress and wealth but we want everyone to have the opportunity to find wealth. That idea of fairness I think goes right to the heart of British people.

[BobG]

It's lovely, the differences that experience brings. I can see the logic in what you've written Don. But equally, from a historians perspective, the fear of yet another war - something over 90% of all major wars since the dawn of time have started in Europe - leads me to believe that almost any price  is worth paying if it keeps the European nations talking to each other. So that's why I would go a very, very long way indeed to make sure we stay inside the EU!

Lol

Bob

[River Don]

Fair enough Bob but I fear the danger of the EU, big government and the move towards globalism is one of a dystopian horror.

I abhor war but i believe in localism.

What would be the point of view in avoiding war if we found ourselves crushed under the boot of a global totalitarian state?

[Glyn_Wigley]

Guess who's on Question Time tonight. Nige!

What you'll get is a straight talking politician for a change who will say it as it is. Makes a nice refreshing change from establishment politicians who have forgotten how to answer a question honestly.

You know what they say. There's no such thing as bad publicity. I fully expect UKIPs's membership to grow after this latest publicity stunt.

I think you lefties will find that us UKippers aren't in the least bit bothered about today's shenanigans. We have a sense of humour and find the constant scrapes the party gets in quite amusing.

It shows we are real people not pretending to be something we're not. Unlike you nice lefties that are more bothered about what people think of you than you are with living in the real world.

Yep, he was absolutely telling it how it is and refreshingly honest when he said "It is frankly just not credible for me to continue to lead the party without a Westminster seat." Good to see he's not like any other politician who says something then pretends he didn't mean it when it suits him and dishonestly goes back on his word.

[hoolahoop]

You are right of course Glyn. I felt uncomfortable watching Garage trying them to wriggle his way out of the nonsense that is UKIP on Questiontime last night. It was close to pathetic and he and his party will soon be washed up. They will soon be a 'busted flush' on the political scene thank God.

I thought that Billy's comment on all
 Of this "just kicking the cat'" was most amusing - I instantly had the thought that it would be ridiculous to let the cat back into the house. Of course this was a crazy thought because the English electorate has turned him down time after time. Obviously every constituency has seen through this man ; the only surprise is that the electorate as a whole gives some credence to him and his party.

[IC1967]

Guess who's on Question Time tonight. Nige!

What you'll get is a straight talking politician for a change who will say it as it is. Makes a nice refreshing change from establishment politicians who have forgotten how to answer a question honestly.

You know what they say. There's no such thing as bad publicity. I fully expect UKIPs's membership to grow after this latest publicity stunt.

I think you lefties will find that us UKippers aren't in the least bit bothered about today's shenanigans. We have a sense of humour and find the constant scrapes the party gets in quite amusing.

It shows we are real people not pretending to be something we're not. Unlike you nice lefties that are more bothered about what people think of you than you are with living in the real world.

Yep, he was absolutely telling it how it is and refreshingly honest when he said "It is frankly just not credible for me to continue to lead the party without a Westminster seat." Good to see he's not like any other politician who says something then pretends he didn't mean it when it suits him and dishonestly goes back on his word.

Look. Let's get one thing straight. Nige is a man of his word and did resign fully intending to stick to that decision. Due to overwhelming support of the party, for the good of UKIP, and the good of the country, he decided to carry on.

It happens to many people you know (me included) who resign in good faith and then due to overwhelming support from say a boss and staff you are persuaded to change your mind.

So there is nothing to see here I'm afraid. Nige has acted properly in this situation. He has realised that now the Tories have an overall majority he needs to be at the forefront of UKIP to make the case for EU withdrawal and to ensure the referendum is fair.

You lefties are just sore that red Ed's resignation was accepted. The Labour party are glad to see the back of him. What a contrast with UKIP where our leader is idolised.

So if I could make a suggestion. Why don't all you lefties find a darkened room and go in and have a big long cry. You need to get this election result out of your system and come to terms with the reality that the country has moved to the right. You need to get to grips with the fact that Labour are probably going to be unelectable for a generation and may not even be around much longer in any meaningful form.

Get in.

[BobG]

Hey Don

Don't you believe that globalism is here to stay no matter what you, me, and 6 billion other people around the world might want? I value localsm. I remember the days you could get off a boat in Ostend, the Hook, Calais and think 'Wow! Everything looks really different'. We lost that 20 years ago and more. We are way, way past the time when stopping globalism might just have been an option.

As for totalitarian states, yes. Agree on the need to avoid them. I just don't have your pessimistic view of the EC. My thinking is that it would bumble along, irritating people along the way, being too late for a lot of things, too inefficient for others, but keeping the peace, and, due to its decision making processes being a huge brake on the ambitions and plans of anyone who did fancy becoming a dictator. How many states are in it now? 20 odd? Imagine lining up every one of those to get a change to the treaty that would allow a dictator to move things his way. It simply won't happen. Ever.

Cheers

Bob

[River Don]

Bob,

No actually I don't agree that globalism is here to stay, I think it will be a relatively short lived thing. The reason being I don't see us yet having discovered an alternative to oil as our key source of energy. Unless we do find an alternative, I foresee our ability to travel easily being curtailed and the ramifications of that will be far reaching.

[BillyStubbsTears]

RD

You're back in that Mathusian mind-set of assuming a particular historical outcome because the technology necessary to put us on an alternative path has not yet been identified.

I've pointed out before on that theme that there have been numerous examples of step changes in technology which have led to what were previously (literally) unthinkable outcomes. We WILL replace oil just like we replaced water, windmills and slave power.

You need to ponder the fact that 200 years ago, NO-ONE could have foreseen how oil would transform technology and economics. 100 years before that, no-one had understood how coal would do the same thing. In the 1930s, Lord Rutherford himself dismissed nuclear fission as having any practical benefit.  Today it provides 75% of France's electricity.

Something will come along. It always does. Whether it's Thorium reactors or better storage of wind/wave/solar power or whether it's something that we haven't conceived of yet. Something WILL come along. The Malthusians are NEVER right. Because they ignore the crucial issue of human ingenuity in the face of apparently overwhelming problems.

[River Don]

I understand what you're saying BST, and people will happily point to fracking as an example of the endless ingenuity of our species and how nobody saw that producing so much additional oil. To me though it's still an expensive way to extract oil which ultimately will prove too expensive.

As we've burned up one source of fuel after another wood, coal, whale oil, oil, nat gas we have always had to rely on finding another fuel to burn.

I might well be missing something, there might be another fuel waiting to be burned but really I think not. In which case we need to find a new source of energy, it maybe that we just need the motivation of seeing oil dwindle to find it but so far I'm not seeing a lot of evidence of it. We're just finding more ingenious ways to suck hydrocarbons out of the ground.

That's not to say I don't hope you're right BST.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Guess who's on Question Time tonight. Nige!

What you'll get is a straight talking politician for a change who will say it as it is. Makes a nice refreshing change from establishment politicians who have forgotten how to answer a question honestly.

You know what they say. There's no such thing as bad publicity. I fully expect UKIPs's membership to grow after this latest publicity stunt.

I think you lefties will find that us UKippers aren't in the least bit bothered about today's shenanigans. We have a sense of humour and find the constant scrapes the party gets in quite amusing.

It shows we are real people not pretending to be something we're not. Unlike you nice lefties that are more bothered about what people think of you than you are with living in the real world.

Yep, he was absolutely telling it how it is and refreshingly honest when he said "It is frankly just not credible for me to continue to lead the party without a Westminster seat." Good to see he's not like any other politician who says something then pretends he didn't mean it when it suits him and dishonestly goes back on his word.

Look. Let's get one thing straight. Nige is a man of his word and did resign fully intending to stick to that decision. Due to overwhelming support of the party, for the good of UKIP, and the good of the country, he decided to carry on.

It happens to many people you know (me included) who resign in good faith and then due to overwhelming support from say a boss and staff you are persuaded to change your mind.

So there is nothing to see here I'm afraid. Nige has acted properly in this situation. He has realised that now the Tories have an overall majority he needs to be at the forefront of UKIP to make the case for EU withdrawal and to ensure the referendum is fair.

You lefties are just sore that red Ed's resignation was accepted. The Labour party are glad to see the back of him. What a contrast with UKIP where our leader is idolised.

So if I could make a suggestion. Why don't all you lefties find a darkened room and go in and have a big long cry. You need to get this election result out of your system and come to terms with the reality that the country has moved to the right. You need to get to grips with the fact that Labour are probably going to be unelectable for a generation and may not even be around much longer in any meaningful form.

Get in.

So, as a man of his word he wasn't telling porkies and so it's still not credible for him to lead the party without a Westminster seat. Thanks for confirming that, I'm sure that's put a lot of minds to rest.

[IC1967]

You're welcome.

[Glyn_Wigley]

So you're also confirming that when you say he's putting the party first he's not, because he's already said it's not credible for him to do so without being an MP. Thus making the party not credible by him staying on as leader. Thanks for that too.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Glyn

When Farage was confronted with that "credible" quote on QT last night, he dissembled superbly. He said that everything was different from when he made that credibility quote because of the fact the UKIP had got 4million votes.

Now, I realise that Farage is regularly kaylied and is shovelling painkillers down his Rudi, but I'd have thought he would have been aware of the polls over the last 2 years, which were consistently saying that UKIP would get at least 4million votes.

What's actually happened is that he made a hubristic comment, at a time when he couldn't conceive not winning his seat. When faced with the consequence of his promise, he's wriggled out of it like a consummate politician. And that is NOT a compliment.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Glyn

When Farage was confronted with that "credible" quote on QT last night, he dissembled superbly. He said that everything was different from when he made that credibility quote because of the fact the UKIP had got 4million votes.

Now, I realise that Farage is regularly kaylied and is shovelling painkillers down his Rudi, but I'd have thought he would have been aware of the polls over the last 2 years, which were consistently saying that UKIP would get at least 4million votes.

What's actually happened is that he made a hubristic comment, at a time when he couldn't conceive not winning his seat. When faced with the consequence of his promise, he's wriggled out of it like a consummate politician. And that is NOT a compliment.

I know that. It's our resident idiot who has a problem understanding the bleeding obvious.

[BobG]

That'd be because he's our Resident Idiot Glyn!

Bob

[Savvy]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b05vlwxg/question-time-14052015

For anyone who didn't catch it, a few matters put to rest!!!!

True to his word, he tendered his resignation having not won the seat in Thanet....Fact!
The National Executive of the party refused to accept his resignation....Fact!

Someone care to explain how this affects his credibility, because unless I'm missing a trick it appears to be straightforward to me!!!

[IC1967]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b05vlwxg/question-time-14052015

For anyone who didn't catch it, a few matters put to rest!!!!

True to his word, he tendered his resignation having not won the seat in Thanet....Fact!
The National Executive of the party refused to accept his resignation....Fact!

Someone care to explain how this affects his credibility, because unless I'm missing a trick it appears to be straightforward to me!!!

 

[BillyStubbsTears]

Savvy

So when he said that he'd not be credible as leader if he didn't win a Westminster seat; then he didn't win a Westminster seat but he carried on being the leader...

Help me out here, cos all I can think is that UKIP have a literally incredible leader.