Another excellent prediction

[IC1967]

We will vote to leave the EU.

There are only 3 caveats. The 4 million Europeans already here (4 million!!! I know it's ridiculous) and the other 100's of thousands that come before the referendum can't vote in it. The voting age can't be reduced and the amount of money each side has to spend is the same. No doubt Brussels will want to pump billions into the no campaign.

Now given my incredible powers of prediction you'd be daft to ignore what I'm saying. Those of you in business now have more time to prepare.

Just remember. Who was the only person in the country predicting a Tory majority? Who was the only person years ago predicting deflation for the UK and the Eurozone? That's right it was me.

You know I'll be right again.

[Yargo]

Dear god what an idiot,the only UKIPPER that thinks Cameron will negotiate Britain out of EU

[IC1967]

Dear god what an idiot,the only UKIPPER that thinks Cameron will negotiate Britain out of EU

Excuse me. It's not up to Dave, it's up to the great British public whether we stay in or not. The case for pulling out is overwhelming. Dave will only get modest changes that go nowhere near far enough for the majority of the British public.

For example. It's not my major beef with the EU but it seems to be most people's that want out - immigration. There is no way Dave is going get a stop put to freedom of movement of people. That is the only way for us to be able to control the numbers coming here. All he'll get is some modest changes to benefits entitlements. He'll try and dress it up as a major control on immigration. We won't be fooled. A tiny number of immigrants come for our benefits. The number is so small that is is totally irrelevant. It is ludicrous to suggest that tightening up on benefits will control immigration. Those of you that fall for it need to cop yourselves on. 

The major parties always dress up making benefits harder to claim as the solution to mass immigration. It isn't and people need to stop falling for it. Unless freedom of movement is ditched we will not be able to control our borders. The overwhelming majority of immigrants come here to work. Nearly all of them get a job. Those that don't tend to go home.

The only way to control our borders is to leave.

I'll be outlining the case for our withdrawal over the coming weeks. By the time I'm finished this won't just be a right wing forum it will be an out of Europe forum as well.

[Lipsy]

I'll just leave this here... 

[Yargo]

Dear god what an idiot,the only UKIPPER that thinks Cameron will negotiate Britain out of EU

Excuse me. It's not up to Dave, it's up to the great British public whether we stay in or not.

Do you know we had an election recently where only a tiny % voted for an anti EU party?Cameron will get only modest changes but they will be enough for him with the aid of all but the loonies on Cameron's right.The then referendum will go through

[IC1967]

Dear god what an idiot,the only UKIPPER that thinks Cameron will negotiate Britain out of EU

Excuse me. It's not up to Dave, it's up to the great British public whether we stay in or not.

Do you know we had an election recently where only a tiny % voted for an anti EU party?Cameron will get only modest changes but they will be enough for him with the aid of all but the loonies on Cameron's right.The then referendum will go through

Excuse me. There are plenty of people that want out of the EU in all parties. We shall prevail.

You need to do some research as to why we should pull out as you obviously haven't got a clue what you're on about. People like you should not be allowed to vote as you are clueless about the issues involved.

[IC1967]

I'll just leave this here... 

What a load of leftie claptrap. Left to you the people smugglers will make a fortune (and pass on half their profits to ISIS). Many people will die.

At least with my solution of a leaflet drop and a few sunk boats the trade in human misery would soon stop saving countless lives.

Where is your compassion man?

[wilts rover]

Is this the navy of the European Countries whose Union, according to you, we are are about to leave who will stop these boats? Or you and your private navy?

[Lipsy]

He's going to scare them with his words and they'll just stay, apparently. Apparently one leaflet drop and they'll happily condemn themselves to misery and death.

Having read some of Mick's words, I am seriously thinking of moving over there myself. So - who knows? - it might just work. 

[IC1967]

He's going to scare them with his words and they'll just stay, apparently. Apparently one leaflet drop and they'll happily condemn themselves to misery and death.

Having read some of Mick's words, I am seriously thinking of moving over there myself. So - who knows? - it might just work. 

Don't forget the key part of the strategy. A few sunk boats. That would end the misery and death. You want it to carry on with the people traffickers becoming incredibly wealthy and ISIS gaining more funds for their reprehensible activities.

What kind of a human being are you? Why do you want these people to live such miserable lives? Why do you support the people traffickers and ISIS? Why do you want unlimited millions to come here?

Answers man not meaningless platitudes. Get on with it or get an abject apology sorted pronto.

[IC1967]

Is this the navy of the European Countries whose Union, according to you, we are are about to leave who will stop these boats? Or you and your private navy?

There isn't a navy of the European countries. I don't have a private army.

What are you blathering on about?

[wilts rover]

You have neglected to tell us where the ships who are going to sink the migrant boats are going to come from. A pretty essential part of you plan I would have thought?

There isn't a navy of the European Countries.....but the European Countries in the area of the Mediterrean where the migrant boats are arriving all have navies. Apologies if that was too difficult for you to understand, I forgot I had to keep things very simple for you.

[IC1967]

You have neglected to tell us where the ships who are going to sink the migrant boats are going to come from. A pretty essential part of you plan I would have thought?

There isn't a navy of the European Countries.....but the European Countries in the area of the Mediterrean where the migrant boats are arriving all have navies. Apologies if that was too difficult for you to understand, I forgot I had to keep things very simple for you.

You're the one that said there was a navy of the European countries. I'm glad you are now backtracking on this ridiculous statement.

Look. It's very simple. While we are part of the EU then agreement needs to be reached in Brussels before my excellent plan can be implemented. The boats could then be sunk by each country's navies so the cost could be shared around.

Sorted. 

[BobG]

Does anyone know the name of this awful disease Mick seems to have developed? I've become really quite concerned by the increasingly large number of times he seems to be replying to his own posts. Have a look: the incidence of Mick posting to himself is now of stupid proportions.

I suppose it could be that he's so ill disciplined that he can't write all that crap in one post - so it comes out in two. Sort of stream of consciousness type crap you know?  Or it could be that his brain is so dreadfully limited that it can't cope with more than a very few thoughts in the space of 20 minutes or so.

Or it could be he's an idiot. What do you reckon?

My money's on the last.

Mick: our Resident Idiot.

Cheers

Bobg

[wilts rover]

You have neglected to tell us where the ships who are going to sink the migrant boats are going to come from. A pretty essential part of you plan I would have thought?

There isn't a navy of the European Countries.....but the European Countries in the area of the Mediterrean where the migrant boats are arriving all have navies. Apologies if that was too difficult for you to understand, I forgot I had to keep things very simple for you.

You're the one that said there was a navy of the European countries. I'm glad you are now backtracking on this ridiculous statement.

Look. It's very simple. While we are part of the EU then agreement needs to be reached in Brussels before my excellent plan can be implemented. The boats could then be sunk by each country's navies so the cost could be shared around.

Sorted. 

So you want us to be part of the EU then?

[IC1967]

Does anyone know the name of this awful disease Mick seems to have developed? I've become really quite concerned by the increasingly large number of times he seems to be replying to his own posts. Have a look: the incidence of Mick posting to himself is now of stupid proportions.

I suppose it could be that he's so ill disciplined that he can't write all that crap in one post - so it comes out in two. Sort of stream of consciousness type crap you know?  Or it could be that his brain is so dreadfully limited that it can't cope with more than a very few thoughts in the space of 20 minutes or so.

Or it could be he's an idiot. What do you reckon?

My money's on the last.

Mick: our Resident Idiot.

Cheers

Bobg

It's called answering every question ever thrown at me. Something you could learn from.

IC1967

[BobG]

Poor old Mick. Tied up in knots. Again.

But then, our Resident Idiot has proven, beyond any shadow of doubt, that he's incapable of grasping even a relatively simple concept.

BobG

[IC1967]

You have neglected to tell us where the ships who are going to sink the migrant boats are going to come from. A pretty essential part of you plan I would have thought?

There isn't a navy of the European Countries.....but the European Countries in the area of the Mediterrean where the migrant boats are arriving all have navies. Apologies if that was too difficult for you to understand, I forgot I had to keep things very simple for you.

You're the one that said there was a navy of the European countries. I'm glad you are now backtracking on this ridiculous statement.

Look. It's very simple. While we are part of the EU then agreement needs to be reached in Brussels before my excellent plan can be implemented. The boats could then be sunk by each country's navies so the cost could be shared around.

Sorted. 

So you want us to be part of the EU then?

How on earth do you come up with that? Your reasoning process is seriously flawed. Look. It's very simple. Until we are out of the EU we have to play by the rules. If we were out we'd be able to forget about the migrant crisis and let those countries where they land deal with the problem.

Until that day we need to do our bit by sinking a few boats. That's if the EU ever comes around to my way of thinking.

[hoolahoop]

Mick shut the feck up and please would  those forum users that insist on  feeding this knobjockey desist please. 

[Nudga]

Do you actually mean sink a few boats with people on them?

[Glyn_Wigley]

Do you actually mean sink a few boats with people on them?

And presumably machinegun the survivors. That'd tell 'em. As if those wanting to escape wherever they're trying to get away from would ever find out about what's happening. Or that it would deter them from escaping the sh*t they're already in.

I bet Mick thinks that doing all this in International Waters to ships and boats registered to other countries is a mere technicality as well. Me, I'd be just be waiting for the first inevitable cock-up when the wrong boat is torpedoed and innocent non-refugees are blasted to smithereens.

[Lipsy]

And, of course, he's totally ignoring the fact that the people who are leaving are doing so because they don't actually care whether they live or die. They assume that if they stay then the chances of death are significant, so risking death at sea - with a small chance of surviving - is a chance worth taking.

But a leaflet campaign will resolve this... As ideas go, it's pretty leaky.

[IC1967]

Do you actually mean sink a few boats with people on them?

Let me summarise the plan for you.

We do a leaflet drop over the affected countries and use whatever media there is to let the immigrants know the following:

You are not welcome in Europe particularly the UK as we are already full and are having to cope with unlimited immigration from the EU already. Last year we had to cope with 300,000 immigrants and it's playing havoc with our public services. Go to another country that is nearer to you in Africa/the Middle East. There you will find that your neighbours are likely to be culturally similar and once the war is over you would have a far better chance of returning home. If you don't do that then it is obvious you are an economic migrant. What you are doing is lining the pockets of unscrupulous people traffickers who are giving half their profits to ISIS. You are also allowing ISIS to smuggle terrorists into Europe via your boats.

If you ignore this excellent advice we will sink your boats until you get the message. We do not want to kill you. It's up to you to do the right thing.

Now there will probably be some people that think we're bluffing and the boat trips will start up soon after the leaflet drop. In these circumstances we need to show we are not bluffing and sink them. There would be a small loss of life but the message would get home. The boats would stop coming and over the medium to long term there would be a lot less loss of life than there would be carrying on as we are. Sometimes you've just got to be cruel to be kind.

Sorted.

[Nudga]

And further alienate a culture that mistrust' the west already. Good plan.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Do you actually mean sink a few boats with people on them?

Let me summarise the plan for you.

We do a leaflet drop over the affected countries and use whatever media there is to let the immigrants know the following:

You are not welcome in Europe particularly the UK as we are already full and are having to cope with unlimited immigration from the EU already. Last year we had to cope with 300,000 immigrants and it's playing havoc with our public services. Go to another country that is nearer to you in Africa/the Middle East. There you will find that your neighbours are likely to be culturally similar and once the war is over you would have a far better chance of returning home. If you don't do that then it is obvious you are an economic migrant. What you are doing is lining the pockets of unscrupulous people traffickers who are giving half their profits to ISIS. You are also allowing ISIS to smuggle terrorists into Europe via your boats.

If you ignore this excellent advice we will sink your boats until you get the message. We do not want to kill you. It's up to you to do the right thing.

Now there will probably be some people that think we're bluffing and the boat trips will start up soon after the leaflet drop. In these circumstances we need to show we are not bluffing and sink them. There would be a small loss of life but the message would get home. The boats would stop coming and over the medium to long term there would be a lot less loss of life than there would be carrying on as we are. Sometimes you've just got to be cruel to be kind.

Sorted.

Erm...how many (and which) affected countries are these? How many different languages would these leaflets need to be printed in? How many would need to be printed to cover the whole of these countries?

And one very big question...what happens when one or more of the leaflet-dropping planes are shot down for invading another country's airspace?

[IC1967]

Do you actually mean sink a few boats with people on them?

Let me summarise the plan for you.

We do a leaflet drop over the affected countries and use whatever media there is to let the immigrants know the following:

You are not welcome in Europe particularly the UK as we are already full and are having to cope with unlimited immigration from the EU already. Last year we had to cope with 300,000 immigrants and it's playing havoc with our public services. Go to another country that is nearer to you in Africa/the Middle East. There you will find that your neighbours are likely to be culturally similar and once the war is over you would have a far better chance of returning home. If you don't do that then it is obvious you are an economic migrant. What you are doing is lining the pockets of unscrupulous people traffickers who are giving half their profits to ISIS. You are also allowing ISIS to smuggle terrorists into Europe via your boats.

If you ignore this excellent advice we will sink your boats until you get the message. We do not want to kill you. It's up to you to do the right thing.

Now there will probably be some people that think we're bluffing and the boat trips will start up soon after the leaflet drop. In these circumstances we need to show we are not bluffing and sink them. There would be a small loss of life but the message would get home. The boats would stop coming and over the medium to long term there would be a lot less loss of life than there would be carrying on as we are. Sometimes you've just got to be cruel to be kind.

Sorted.

Erm...how many (and which) affected countries are these? How many different languages would these leaflets need to be printed in? How many would need to be printed to cover the whole of these countries?

And one very big question...what happens when one or more of the leaflet-dropping planes are shot down for invading another country's airspace?

What a lot of silly questions. These are minor details that are easily sorted out. You are obviously someone that can't see the wood for the trees. You should try being a big picture sort of person like what I am. I'm a problem solver. You just like to look for problems that aren't there.

Look. It's very simple. My plan would work. No ifs and buts. There would be far less misery and loss of life implementing my plan than letting things carry on as they are.

I notice you lefties haven't come up with a workable plan. Seems like you're quite happy for people to carry on dieing and for the people traffickers to carry on getting richer and for ISIS to benefit financially as well as having a way of getting their terrorists into Europe.

Have you seen the immigration figures this morning? 318,000 increase in the last 12 months. That doesn't take account of the illegal immigrants. That would boost the number considerably. WE ARE FULL.

You lefties need to get a grip and come into the real world.

[IC1967]

And further alienate a culture that mistrust' the west already. Good plan.

If they are as alienated as you say then why on earth do they want to come here? Why don't they want to go to a neighbouring country where they don't feel alienated?

At least you think its a good plan.

[Glyn_Wigley]

What a lot of silly questions.

No they aren't, they're extremely pertinent. You're only calling them silly because you haven't got any answers for them and you want to maintain your fantasyland 100% 'record'.

Any other time, one of our planes being shot down would be reason enough to start a war. Yet you maintain that wanting to know what you would do in the same circumstance is somehow deemed by you to be 'silly'. Sorry, but your attempt to dismiss an awkward but extremely important question by this pathetic tactic has unequivocally shown you up for what you are.

[IC1967]

What a lot of silly questions.

No they aren't, they're extremely pertinent. You're only calling them silly because you haven't got any answers for them and you want to maintain your fantasyland 100% 'record'.

Any other time, one of our planes being shot down would be reason enough to start a war. Yet you maintain that wanting to know what you would do in the same circumstance is somehow deemed by you to be 'silly'. Sorry, but your attempt to dismiss an awkward but extremely important question by this pathetic tactic has unequivocally shown you up for what you are.

No it wouldn't. There has to be a sense of proportionality. If someone shot down one of our planes then there are many other options open to us other than starting a full scale war.

As well as silly questions you are also now making silly statements.

Now where's your plan? If you don't like mine then the least you can do is come up with a workable alternative.

100% record still intact.

Get on with it man.

[Glyn_Wigley]

What a lot of silly questions.

No they aren't, they're extremely pertinent. You're only calling them silly because you haven't got any answers for them and you want to maintain your fantasyland 100% 'record'.

Any other time, one of our planes being shot down would be reason enough to start a war. Yet you maintain that wanting to know what you would do in the same circumstance is somehow deemed by you to be 'silly'. Sorry, but your attempt to dismiss an awkward but extremely important question by this pathetic tactic has unequivocally shown you up for what you are.

No it wouldn't. There has to be a sense of proportionality. If someone shot down one of our planes then there are many other options open to us other than starting a full scale war.

As well as silly questions you are also now making silly statements.

Now where's your plan? If you don't like mine then the least you can do is come up with a workable alternative.

100% record still intact.

Get on with it man.

Which option would you choose if our plane was shot down then? That was the original question, which you have still run scared from answering.

100%? Pfffft.