Cameron

[Colin C No.3]

Standing down as Prime Minister, talk about throwing your toys out of the pram.

A typical knee jerk reaction from a chinless, 'Private Cub Member, living in 'Chipping-In-Fairyland', from where he clearly has know idea about what is happening & how strong the feelings are regarding primarily immigration in the Country outside of the Capital & its surrounding Shires i.e. the North!

Just when we need a short period of stability off he trots. "I care strongly about this Country"....my arse.

Oh for a strong Labour leader. I fear Cameron goes & his 'buddy in arms' Boris the buffoon steps into his shoes. Gawd help us.

[Copps is Magic]

I feel like this is a terrific thing for the Tory party. Half of them wanted it, the other half sub-consciously wanted it. Cameron looks benevolent to be honest (not to me but he will to the masses). I'm reading conversations going off on facebook and I'm seeing phrases such as "get Boris in" from people who live in Donny. DONNY. That's 'I'll never vote for the f**king Tories while I've got a hole in my arse' Donny.

The labour party look weak and completely out of touch with their traditional voter base.

[Filo]

It just shows how out of touch they all are all the way across the political spectrum with their core voters

[drfchound]

What the f**k did anyone expect Cameron to do if the vote turned out as it has?
The OP clearly wouldn't give Cameron credit if he cleared the national debt, gave £1000million quid to the NHS and helped end world hunger.

As for a strong labour leader, well there isnt one on the horizon so perhaps we have to look forward to Boris?

[The Red Baron]

Big mistakes by Cameron.

1. Negotiate a "deal" which didn't offer enough and then try and sell it as a great deal for Britain.

2. Connected to 1, not to play a longer game. His manifesto commitment gave him another 12-15 months before he had to hold a referendum. He should have made more use of that time.

[Donnywolf]

Well DC is a Politician first and foremost and what we know about them is they lie !

I wish someone would dig out his speech from a few days ago where he made a pledge to comply with the wishes of the British people even if that meant him negotiating the UK's exit from the EEC

Yeah right so instead he fell on his sword as quickly as possible 

[glosterred]

Now we need Corbyn to stand down as he was ineffectual as hell in this referendum

[Donnywolf]

I feel like this is a terrific thing for the Tory party. Half of them wanted it, the other half sub-consciously wanted it. Cameron looks benevolent to be honest (not to me but he will to the masses). I'm reading conversations going off on facebook and I'm seeing phrases such as "get Boris in" from people who live in Donny. DONNY. That's 'I'll never vote for the f**king Tories while I've got a hole in my arse' Donny.

The labour party look weak and completely out of touch with their traditional voter base.

Politics is Barons and Serfs .... always has been always will be. The Barons are clever and know they only have to make enough Serfs feel like Barons or believe they are Barons to triumph ad infinitum

At the moment there are Millions in the Barons camp who should realise they are in the wrong place.

[Donnywolf]

Now we need Corbyn to stand down as he was ineffectual as hell in this referendum

I bet he voted "out" ! He looked sheepish enough when he came out of the Polling Station !

[Rover19]

Cameron was gone the moment his party split. However I agree with Filo that Labour have bigger concerns on the horizon.

They're will certainly be an opportunity for the likes of UKIP and the Greens to pick up more votes in the North. Labour risk losing their core support without a clear appeal to working class voters. Someone who I've found myself agreeing with lately is John Mann who has been banging on about this for years.

[RoversAlias]

I yearn for the day where this country doesn't have to be governed by either Labour or the Tories. Both unfit for us all. A shame the LibDems cocked up so royally after 2010.

I vote Green and will continue to do so. Near enough all politicans have no clue what WE really want and need, but at least they stand for something worth shouting about.

[Colin C No.3]

So short sighted of the Lib Dems to align themselves with the Tories for '5 minutes in the sun'.

They may well have been a credible alternative to the Tories & a sad, shadow of a party Labour have become.

Thank goodness the British public has shown good sense & thrown off the shackles of the EU.

Now we really need to get a grip of our immigration problem & create a properly controlled, manned, safe border control.

50% of inmates in Wandsworth prison are Romanian. Now instead of releasing pimps, racists & thugs back into our population, the courts will hopefully soon have the power to ship these bas***ds back to their pig farms. 

[Glyn_Wigley]

Now we really need to get a grip of our immigration problem & create a properly controlled, manned, safe border control.

How much will that cost to implement?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Colin

50% of inmates in Wandsworth prison are Romanian.

No they are not. But since the side that you support has trotted out ignorant, bigoted lies throughout the entire campaign, I guess it shouldn't surprise me that they get repeated time and again.

[darren61]

Now we really need to get a grip of our immigration problem & create a properly controlled, manned, safe border control.

How much will that cost to implement?

Probably a lot less than letting the criminals into the country in the first place and having them banged up at tax payers cost.

[Glyn_Wigley]

50% of inmates in Wandsworth prison are Romanian.

So the Justice Inspectorate's figures are wrong then?

[Glyn_Wigley]

Now we really need to get a grip of our immigration problem & create a properly controlled, manned, safe border control.

How much will that cost to implement?

Probably a lot less than letting the criminals into the country in the first place and having them banged up at tax payers cost.

So, no accurate figures then, nor any attempt to say how much of the Brexiter's spurious £350m savings will be eaten up by paying for recruiting, training, equipping, housing and paying the salary of the extra staff you want to control the borders properly. And that includes controlling the brand new 400-mile land border we will now share with a country with EU Freedom of Movement.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Colin

50% of inmates in Wandsworth prison are Romanian.

No they are not. But since the side that you support has trotted out ignorant, bigoted lies throughout the entire campaign, I guess it shouldn't surprise me that they get repeated time and again.

It also ignores the policy of concentrating inmates of nationalities into one prison if possible, in order to control them more effectively. No, they just chuck the figure out and leave it hanging, giving the impression that all prisions are in a similar position...

[StocktonRover]

Colin

50% of inmates in Wandsworth prison are Romanian.

No they are not. But since the side that you support has trotted out ignorant, bigoted lies throughout the entire campaign, I guess it shouldn't surprise me that they get repeated time and again.

It also ignores the policy of concentrating inmates of nationalities into one prison if possible, in order to control them more effectively. No, they just chuck the figure out and leave it hanging, giving the impression that all prisions are in a similar position...

I've never seen that policy Glyn - got a link to it?

[ferribyrover]

It's interesting that the vote was partly to get rid of some out of touch faceless Eurocrats, but an early consequence seems to be the resignation of the PM and a plot against the Labour leader.
The vote effectively confirms that the majority of politicians, right left and centre, are not in touch with the electorate who they should represent.

[Bentley Bullet]

So the situation of foreign inmates is so bad that they put same nation prisoners together in order to control them more effectively?

[Glyn_Wigley]

Colin

50% of inmates in Wandsworth prison are Romanian.

No they are not. But since the side that you support has trotted out ignorant, bigoted lies throughout the entire campaign, I guess it shouldn't surprise me that they get repeated time and again.

It also ignores the policy of concentrating inmates of nationalities into one prison if possible, in order to control them more effectively. No, they just chuck the figure out and leave it hanging, giving the impression that all prisions are in a similar position...

I've never seen that policy Glyn - got a link to it?

Sorry, I've just noticed the article I was reading it from was dated 2007, so it could very well be out of date after a change of government since then. My mistake.

[Glyn_Wigley]

So the situation of foreign inmates is so bad that they put same nation prisoners together in order to control them more effectively?

The 2007 article I read was about a couple of specially-built prision for foreign nationals. It also said that putting the same nationalities together aided control. As I've already said, due to the age of the article I don't know if this is still the view of the prison service. It makes common sense though, it's stops the need for duplication of interpreters, any special food requirements etc. by concentrating them all in the same place.

[StocktonRover]

Glyn,
They are immigration detention centres rather than prisons intended for holding illegal immigrants whilst awaiting deportation (typically those found hiding in lorries, working in sweatshops, etc)

Convicted foreign nationals are integrated in the wider prison population and are repatriated if there are reciprocal arrangements between the uk and their home country

[Glyn_Wigley]

Glyn,
They are immigration detention centres rather than prisons intended for holding illegal immigrants whilst awaiting deportation (typically those found hiding in lorries, working in sweatshops, etc)

Convicted foreign nationals are integrated in the wider prison population and are repatriated if there are reciprocal arrangements between the uk and their home country

If that's so, it makes the original '50% of Wandsworth is Romanian' even more BS than even I originally thought, according to the last Prisoner By Nationality statistics.

[Colin C No.3]

Colin

50% of inmates in Wandsworth prison are Romanian.

No they are not. But since the side that you support has trotted out ignorant, bigoted lies throughout the entire campaign, I guess it shouldn't surprise me that they get repeated time and again.

What lies have the Green Party 'ignorantly trotted out', specifically?

Just be thankful we're out of the EU before the Turks & Albanians join.

[wilts rover]

I believe the "50% of prisoners in Wandsworth" quote came from a recent BBC documentary on the prison. The actual quote should be "50% of prisoners in Wandsworth are foreign nationals - many of them Romanian". Big difference there.

Just so we are clear here, it's only these 50% of foreign nationals (Romanian or not) that people have a problem with. The other 50% of prisoners who are let back out on the streets out of which 80% then reoffend (its 71% of violent offenders) are fine because they are British?

A couple of other interesting points from the statistics:

There are more Irish (762) than Romanian (702) prisoners in British jails.

There are nearly 500 Albanians in jail - which of course is not in the EU and leaving will make no difference whatsoever to them entering the country to commit their crimes in future.

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/offender-management-statistics-quarterly-october-to-december-2015

[Bentley Bullet]

How ridiculous. Of course it's not fine. British criminals are our responsibility, and as we haven't got a place like Australia to send them anymore we have to put up with them here. It doesn't mean we should have to put up with thieves and robbers and rapists etc from other countries though in order to be non racist.

I don't think anyone is against decent immigrants entering the country and contributing to it. 

[wilts rover]

The quote by Colin (No 11 above) is about releasing prisoners back into the community to reoffend. Are you happy that 80% of prisoners reoffend? Dont you thing more should be done to stop this rather than worrying about what country they are from in the first place?

[wilts rover]

Oh and on topic, of course Cameron was right to resign - he has lost all credibility in the country with 'Project Fear' and in Europe by the result. How on earth could he lead the negotiations for Brexit for instance?

Will enough Tories support Boris - or will it be anyone but Boris - for them now?