Turkey military coup

[mushRTID]

What on earth is happening??

[BobG]

Oh Christ. Really? That could be very bad news.

Bob

[Sad-Rovers]

Cheap holiday deals to be had now, every cloud and all that.

[podrover73]

Won't be joining the Eu now

[LongbridgeMGRover]

Does that mean we can stay in then?

[dknward2]

Just watching on sky seems madness will be interesting to see how it plays out hope everyone stays safe

[RedJ]

Does that mean we can stay in then?

No, Iraq and Syria are still joining.

[Copps is Magic]

Cheap holiday deals to be had now, every cloud and all that.

Offset by the pound being worthless, swings and roundabouts.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Be interesting when our new Foreign Secretary gets involved with this.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/19/boris-johnson-wins-most-offensive-erdogan-poem-competition

The f**king bell end.

[Copps is Magic]

I know nothing about Turkish politics other than what Im learning from these live streams but it seems to me they are now effectively entering a revolutionary period akin to Egypt. I hope secular interests prevail but reports religious leaders are mobilizing the public.

[idler]

My week there in September could be interesting then. 😎

[BillyStubbsTears]

Thing is, it's the military that is the secular power in Turkey. It's always been Kemalist. It was Kemal Attaturk who brought Turkey kicking and screaming into the 20th century as a reasonably well developed secular nation after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. Erogan came in as a Kemalist, but he's increasingly been flirting with Islamism, because it's popular.

Nightmare is a messy coup that breaks down into outright civil war between the secularists and the Islamists.

Since the Arab Spring (nice one Dave...) it's been like a domino toppling game. Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Syria and now Turkey. If Turkey goes tits up, we'll have the mother of all refugee problems to deal with. There will be millions upon millions coming into Europe.

And then what is the consequence for European stability?

And we've just had a campaign about our relationship with Europe, where the really big issues like this never once came on the agenda. Johnson lying about £350m per week. Cameron talking about the square root of f**k all. Corbyn blathering on about tax havens and maternity leave. And all the time, there's this f**king powder keg on the edge of the continent.

[Filo]

Thats Turkey now crossed off the tourist map, they'll have no one to pester on the streets of Marmaris now

[rtid88]

The world is screwed, it's absolutely horrid to think but I think sooner rather than later there is going to be a 3rd World War. There is extremism throughout the world and it's all brought about because of greed, corruption and religion!

[Prez]

The world is screwed, it's absolutely horrid to think but I think sooner rather than later there is going to be a 3rd World War. There is extremism throughout the world and it's all brought about because of greed, corruption and religion!

Nothing new about that though is there?

[drfchound]

Well at least now we are exiting the EU , none of the millions of Turkish refugees will be allowed to come to the UK, now that we can control immigration and all that.

[Sammy Chung was King]

Be interesting when our new Foreign Secretary gets involved with this.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/19/boris-johnson-wins-most-offensive-erdogan-poem-competition

The f**king bell end.

If he goes over there, they might treat him like they do goats and make a curry out of him, and make a carpet out of his hair.

[DevilMayCry]

We'll at least now we are exiting the EU , none of the millions of Turkish refugees will be allowed to come to the UK, now that we can control immigration and all that.

They will not be allowed to come in UK after the exit will be officially finished, and that could last 2 years after article 50 is activated.

I think all countries should control the population of Muslims, they are most prone to do such tragedies as in Nice, Paris or Turkey. I know that many of them are quite lovely people, but some of them are too fanatic with their religion.

[rtid88]

We'll at least now we are exiting the EU , none of the millions of Turkish refugees will be allowed to come to the UK, now that we can control immigration and all that.

They will not be allowed to come in UK after the exit will be officially finished, and that could last 2 years after article 50 is activated.

I think all countries should control the population of Muslims, they are most prone to do such tragedies as in Nice, Paris or Turkey. I know that many of them are quite lovely people, but some of them are too fanatic with their religion.

These people that you talk of that do these horrific things are not Muslims though! You sound like bloody Donald Trump!!
If they were true Muslims there religion would not allow them to do such things, these people are just nutters who are all brainwashed by other nutters.

[DevilMayCry]

These people that you talk of that do these horrific things are not Muslims though! You sound like bloody Donald Trump!!
If they were true Muslims there religion would not allow them to do such things, these people are just nutters who are all brainwashed by other nutters.

That doesn't mean that Muslims can't do such horrible things. Their name, their origin seems to be in countries that are Muslims.

That doesn't means that Christian (or other religion) people can't do the same things. A nut person is nut, regardless his religion.

All this attacks in the last year are claimed by ISIS.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/nice-terror-attack-isis-claims-responsibility-lorry-massacre-france-coastal-city-a7140381.html

And I agree with you about those nutters. They interpreting the Quran as they want to brainwash other people.

[Sammy Chung was King]

We'll at least now we are exiting the EU , none of the millions of Turkish refugees will be allowed to come to the UK, now that we can control immigration and all that.

They will not be allowed to come in UK after the exit will be officially finished, and that could last 2 years after article 50 is activated.

I think all countries should control the population of Muslims, they are most prone to do such tragedies as in Nice, Paris or Turkey. I know that many of them are quite lovely people, but some of them are too fanatic with their religion.

These people that you talk of that do these horrific things are not Muslims though! You sound like bloody Donald Trump!!
If they were true Muslims there religion would not allow them to do such things, these people are just nutters who are all brainwashed by other nutters.

The problem is, nobody has found a solution to stop all that is happening. Fairness doesn't come into it when you are trying to protect you're country. No religion tells people to go out killing, it's just an excuse to do it, they delude themselves, that they're god supports them in doing it, rubbish!.
America, ourselves and all the others caused this instability, and now the innocent people are paying for they're mistakes.

 I honestly don't know what the answer is to stop it coming into every country, only to rely on our special forces and spy network.
Everything Tony Blair has earned from being prime minister, whether it be book deals, speaking fees, whatever, should go to the families of our service men and women, who lost they're lives. It won't bring them back, but might help in some way, i also think all the leaders involved should be made to answer for what they did.
The world would not have been this way, until those leaders created, the reason for our countries to be hated. Donald Trump like him or not, has at least come up with a suggestion, nobody else has, more than likely not the right way to go about things, but at least he has put something forward.

[bpoolrover]

Sammy do you really believe Isis would not be around if we didn't invade Iraq?

[Sammy Chung was King]

Sammy do you really believe Isis would not be around if we didn't invade Iraq?

It's not that i believe they wouldn't be around, i just think things wouldn't be quite so bad. Saddam Hussain was never a threat to our country, the papers built it up and built it up, so that you almost believed he was.
He did some evil things to his own people and neighbouring countries, but he had control of the region, there was some sort of order. Now iraq is very much leaderless, and countries without leaders, will always cause instability.

Let's be fair about the real reason why our country and many others went in, it was for oil, greed caused many of the problems. Syria back then was seen as a backward country of no threat to anybody, now it harbours terrorists and is a threat as a training base.
Afghanistan, i will always believe the drugs they grow out there, was the reason for us going in there. And now the same build up of press pressure is starting with the turkish leader, don't be surprised if that's the next place to intefere.