Jeremy Jew hater

[BillyStubbsTears]

Copps
"New politics"?
Stop theorising lad and just Google it. Corbyn himself used the term "new politics" throughout his leadership campaign last year, contrasting it against the grubby, nasty, mendacious, spinning, politicking "old" politics.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34392427

[Copps is Magic]

So would this be a bad or a good time to point out title of this thread?

[BillyStubbsTears]

And do I need to point out that in my first contribution in this thread, I pointed out how daft that was?

[Sprotyrover]

Looks like the Labour MP's under threat from the Trotskyite faction will all join the Cooperative Party they can st up their own whip and vote against the Tros who can't complain as the Jew Hater himself has voted against his own party on more than 500 occasions in the past,they can also thwart any attempts by the Trots at de selecting them,all in all good news all round.
When it comes to an Election they will be getting the votes of the true Labour voter who in South Yorkshire has a political stance which is slightly to the right of Ghengis Khans!

[idler]

Labour need to appeal to non- Labour voters as well as their traditional supporters to have any chance of forming a government.
The further left they go then the less chance of this happening.
It's alright gaining new or first time voters but if it is negated by losing current supporters then you are no further forward.

[Copps is Magic]

Light reading for the thread starter

Contains further sources of information.

[idler]

I think that in the eyes of the electorate Jeremy Corbyn has the same sort of appeal as Foote, Kinnock,Hague, IDS and Ed Milliband.
He just doesn't come across to most as a viable option.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Copps

I've been thinking hard about your earlier post. The one about why you as someone who should be a natural Labour supporter had not voted Labour for a long time, because of "the  practice of labour in power."

I think that sums up why I am so disillusioned with the Corbyn cult members.

You (collectively, not you personally) have convinced yourselves that the Labour that was in power over the past couple of decades was something that you couldn't support. If I've heard the term "Red Tories" once in the past year, I've heard it a thousand times. If I've heard the line "there's no difference between them" coming from the Left once in the past decade, I've heard it a million times.

It's intellectually vacuous. It sounds thoughtful but it's the opposite. It refuses to engage with the facts. The facts are there on education spending, on health spending, on welfare spending, on macro economic management, on micro issues like child trust funds and a hundred other things. But those who couldn't stomach voting for pre-Corbyn Labour are either unaware of that, or don't weigh it in the balance.

Did I love everything that Blair/Brown did? Of course not. I never wanted Blair as leader and I hated some of his beliefs and actions. I left the party because of him.  But I gritted my teeth and I voted for Labour because it was infinitely better than the alternative.

I'll tell you a home truth. You on the Left who wouldn't vote for Labour in 2010 or 2015 for whatever reason, YOU are responsible for Austerity. You are responsible for £9k tuition fees. YOU are responsible for education spending collapsing as a proportion of GDP and for the huge rise in NHS spending under Labour being throttled. YOU are responsible for us leaving the EU. YOU are responsible for payments to the poorest families into Child Trust Funds being scrapped and replaced by massive tax breaks for the richest families. YOU. You can dress yourself up in your principles and complain about Labour, but it was YOU who has allowed this.

And having done that, your response is an emotional spasm into a safe place with a leader who makes you feel valued and vindicated. You wrap yourself up in the warm feeling that a couple of hundred thousand others feel like you do and you have an utter refusal to countenance criticism of your standard bearer and an insistence that everyone else in the party is wrong.

Well, it's your party now. Look after it. And look yourself in the mirror every morning for the next 20 years of Tory government and ask yourself if you might have made the biggest mistake of the century.

[Copps is Magic]

I'm afraid that's simply not true. A historical political shift occurred from Labour to the SNP, the lib-dem vote collapsed into Tory support, and UKIP rose along with the prospect of euro-skepticism and most analyses suggest labour did not appeal to those in the centre. Quite why you blame a tiny minority of people who voted for fringe parties on the left, I do not know. You seem to have lost control of your senses.

It is YOU yourself who has eloquently argued that Corbyn needs to appeal to a broad church to be elected. So quite why you now suddenly believe the minority on the left have such a significant say in these matters, I do not know. Either it's a few thousands insignificant cult members, or a section of society which is responsible for every socially regressive step in the last 10 years. You have claimed both in one individual post. Which is it?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Copps

Go and have a look at the 2010 Election results.

A  couple of hundred  thousands more votes for Labour across the country, a dozen more seats won from the Tories and we'd have had a centre-left coalition in 2010. We wouldn't have had the madness of Austerity in 2010-13 that gave us the worst economic recovery for 200 years, flatlined wages and produced the SNP & UKIP surge. Everything would have been different.

You who decided that you couldn't stomach voting Labour in 2010 hold the blame for that. Self-indulgent navel gazing while the world changed.