What's that smell!

[idler]

Yes that's right. Vote for the party that will get into bed with anyone for a bit of power.
They rightly were annihilated at the last election and now they've got the cheek to claim they are the only viable alternative, rubbing their hands expecting the second referendum seeking remainers to flood to them.
I voted to stay in the EU but I'd rather vote for UKIP than that completely dishonourable lot.

Tommy my MP some years ago was Terry Rooney who came across as arrogant and distant. The Labour Party would ring before an election asking for support and that was it.
I always vote Lib Dems in the local elections because they make the effort to look after their constituents.
I voted for David Ward in the last two elections. He won one and lost the last vote. The vote is a straight split between Labour and Lib Dems. I may not agree with all of their policies but they will not form a government and do work hard for their constituents here. I got disillusioned with Labour, their record at local level is abysmal.

[tommy toes]

At least Rovers were trying not to be bottom of the Conference.

Mind you, it's sort of a good analogy. How many supporters have buggered off the past few seasons when Rovers were so crap to have plummeted two divisions?

Yeah that's what I was getting at Glyn 😊

[tommy toes]

Yes that's right. Vote for the party that will get into bed with anyone for a bit of power.
They rightly were annihilated at the last election and now they've got the cheek to claim they are the only viable alternative, rubbing their hands expecting the second referendum seeking remainers to flood to them.
I voted to stay in the EU but I'd rather vote for UKIP than that completely dishonourable lot.

Tommy my MP some years ago was Terry Rooney who came across as arrogant and distant. The Labour Party would ring before an election asking for support and that was it.
I always vote Lib Dems in the local elections because they make the effort to look after their constituents.
I voted for David Ward in the last two elections. He won one and lost the last vote. The vote is a straight split between Labour and Lib Dems. I may not agree with all of their policies but they will not form a government and do work hard for their constituents here. I got disillusioned with Labour, their record at local level is abysmal.

Righto idler I accept you are voting for honourable reasons. Nothing wrong with that.

[idler]

I just want a government that actually wants to act for all classes and unite the country. I don't think that it will ever happen.
Common sense seems to be sadly lacking these days.

[tommy toes]

Would be nice idler but not in our lifetime.

[Glyn_Wigley]

At least Rovers were trying not to be bottom of the Conference.

Mind you, it's sort of a good analogy. How many supporters have buggered off the past few seasons when Rovers were so crap to have plummeted two divisions?

Yeah that's what I was getting at Glyn 😊

So you agree that pissing off the fairweather fans just to concentrate on pleasing the hardcore fans who will always be there anyway isn't good sense? Because that's what appealing to just the grassroots Labour supporters equates to - you lose the floating voters you need to win an election.

As for having the b*llocks to carry on sticking to a set of socialist policies that floating voters won't vote for in the hope that somehow they'll get more support at the next election, that's like saying that if a man dies when you hang him, keep on hanging him till he gets used to it.

[not on facebook]

Only a few weeks back a thread was started on here about that idiot Diane abbot. it was pointed out that while Labour had that fcukwit Corbin at the helm ,and that Labour were in a mess.

They have been in a mess since Corbin got his feet in under the Labour table but no fcuker could see this or point it out and nothing was done about it.

Labour have just been sleep walking with pillocks like abbot hanging off Corbin's shirt tails dragging the party more into a mess.

It's not just Corbin that's the problem with Labour as there is a bag full of like minded within its ranks .

It would be a cold day in hell if I was ever to vote Labour and the lib dems can go and get them sens felt.i would rather vote for 'lord such and the monster raving loon party ' if he stood.

Green Party can stop licking each other's fannys and eat some meat as they are not worth the ink on the voting slip as it's a wasted vote as things stand today.

If I live in Scotland I would never have voted for that poisoned dwarf sturgeon ,sooner put a solid 4by2 round her swede .

That leaves conservative or U.Kip

Ukip have done what they set out to do as in brexit and are now a spent force since Farge left.

So if a gun was held to my head I vote blue > conservative >

[tommy toes]

Only a few weeks back a thread was started on here about that idiot Diane abbot. it was pointed out that while Labour had that fcukwit Corbin at the helm ,and that Labour were in a mess.

They have been in a mess since Corbin got his feet in under the Labour table but no fcuker could see this or point it out and nothing was done about it.

Labour have just been sleep walking with pillocks like abbot hanging off Corbin's shirt tails dragging the party more into a mess.

It's not just Corbin that's the problem with Labour as there is a bag full of like minded within its ranks .

It would be a cold day in hell if I was ever to vote Labour and the lib dems can go and get them sens felt.i would rather vote for 'lord such and the monster raving loon party ' if he stood.

Green Party can stop licking each other's fannys and eat some meat as they are not worth the ink on the voting slip as it's a wasted vote as things stand today.

If I live in Scotland I would never have voted for that poisoned dwarf sturgeon ,sooner put a solid 4by2 round her swede .

That leaves conservative or U.Kip

Ukip have done what they set out to do as in brexit and are now a spent force since Farge left.

So if a gun was held to my head I vote blue > conservative >

Brilliant stuff. Hilarious! 😀😁

[MachoMadness]

Gentle reminder that Corbyn's "socialist" policies are actually quite popular with the floating voters and public at large.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/jeremy-corbyn/news/85102/poll-shows-public-support-jeremy
Maybe if the leadership, front bench, PLP at large and Scottish Labour could all get on the same page they could actually get somewhere. Oh well.

[Donnywolf]

Would be nice idler but not in our lifetime.

.... or anyone elses imho

Barons and Serfs. It was ever thus. The Barons introduce new "benefits" from time to time and the Serfs are sometimes pleased (even appeased) with what they get from the "deal" BUT

... they are still Serfs and always will be.

[not on facebook]

I keep on reading that Corbyns policy's are well liked by more than enough.

But it's just not Corbyn that's the problem with Labour ,likes of abbot are only adding to its downfall.

Close links to the unions don't help these days I guess ,ask the poor fcukers that live on the southwestern line into and out of London.

[MachoMadness]

I'm wondering if I should stick a bet on Labour having less than 150 seats. I haven't checked the odds yet but they can't be all that good surely? What staggers me though is the fact that left leaning folk seem to learn nothing from the history of their own party. Enthusing 20% of the electorate will get you 20% of the votes, and, resounding defeat. Groupthink gone mad at the moment. I too let my membership lapse recently.What's the point supporting an organisation that's in perpetual denial of political reality?

For the first time ever, I shan't be voting Labour.

BobG

Circular logic though innit that Bob? They're unelectable, so I won't vote for them?

[tommy toes]

I keep on reading that Corbyns policy's are well liked by more than enough.

But it's just not Corbyn that's the problem with Labour ,likes of abbot are only adding to its downfall.



Close links to the unions don't help these days I guess ,ask the poor fcukers that live on the southwestern line into and out of London.

The British public are by and large not interested in his policies. It makes their brain hurt.
They didn't vote for Milliband coz he was boring and talked like he had a cold. They won't vote for Corbyn coz he's a loony commie who looks old and scruffy and loves Hamas and the IRA. Which is b*llocks.
I wish someone would tell me what is so bad about the whole raft of Corbyn's policies.
I've asked ...no reply.

[not on facebook]

The love from corbyn towards ira is one the one thing don't sit well with me at all.

You can bet your last dollar that the ira today ,yesterday or whatever day don't love him ,and will only use him where and when.

Then you bring the hamas situation to the table and it spells 'wrong'ern ' to me .

Christ I bet corbyn is spooning a nest of adders at night time

[Highland Rover]

 Now that I am back in England , I'm just pleased to have a ballot paper with no SNP candidate !!

In saying that , expect the Tories to run the SNP close in my old constituency in Moray ( Angus Robertson MP )

[not on facebook]

HIghlandrover, does sturgeon still have pulling power north of the boarder ?

I see that she is pushing for yet another yes/ no vote ,will she get a swing to her way on the strength of brexit ?

Suppose when  it comes to general election in June ,if the SNP do lose seats to conservatives or are run close by the cons it will effect her and snp's yes/no vote .

The sooner she is fcuked off the better ,as Iam sick of hearing her

[MachoMadness]

But it's just not Corbyn that's the problem with Labour ,likes of abbot are only adding to its downfall.

That's the crux of it, really. Anyone who thinks Labour will be better off after Corbyn goes is kidding themselves. Labour's shambles is a generation in the making, as I've said before.

[wing commander]

   I'm at odds with this one.....I've always said that if you cant be bothered to vote you cant moan...but I'm seeing life from the other side of the fence...I've always voted Tory and I thought they did a great job in rescuing the country from the ashes of the last labour government but the last few years have been very unimpressive and I'm totally disconnected from them at the minute...
    I cant and wont vote Lib dem because I believe in democracy and that cant be thrown away on the back of a quick recovery plan by promising to block brexit in the hope of attracting the 49%..Farron is a disgrace for doing that...And as for Labour,same old story..great at promising things they cant pay for and they cant run themselves at the minute, so how can they expect you to vote them in to a run a country....I'm at a total loss because none of them appeal in the slightest...

[Highland Rover]

Not on facebook , like you I was getting sick of the sight of Sturgeon  . To me she appears to have control of the Central Belt ( Glasgow-Edinburgh ) but not as much in the north and north east and certainly not with the older generation who have  basically ALL voted No ! People are certainly peed off with performances of Police Scotland   and Education to name just 2 .
Over the past few years the  Tories have  been doing better  and better  in the Moray district but Angus Robertson the local MP has been popular due to his support of the military bases at Lossie , Kinloss and Fort George 
Possibly be a clean sweep for the SNP though .

[Glyn_Wigley]

I cant and wont vote Lib dem because I believe in democracy and that cant be thrown away on the back of a quick recovery plan by promising to block brexit in the hope of attracting the 49%..Farron is a disgrace for doing that...

I thought democracy was all about voting?

You seem to imply that Farron is a bandwagon-jumper whereas the Lib Dems have been a staunch and consistently pro-EU party all along. Perhaps you think they should just give up their principles like those Brexiteers with the big gobs keep telling Remainers to do?

[wilts rover]

The love from corbyn towards ira is one the one thing don't sit well with me at all.

You can bet your last dollar that the ira today ,yesterday or whatever day don't love him ,and will only use him where and when.

Then you bring the hamas situation to the table and it spells 'wrong'ern ' to me .

Christ I bet corbyn is spooning a nest of adders at night time

Yet you will vote for a party who were in negotiations with the IRA for several years whilst professing in public that they would never deal with terrorists?

You will also vote for a party who sold the ingredients to Syria to make their chemical weapons, bombs for Saudi Arabia to drop on villages in Yemen, and Turkey and the Philippines to do who knows what to their own people.

[not on facebook]

Was it not Labour that went into Iran while been lead down the garden path by that prick president brush

Which in turn after gadaffi was no more it left a country with no strong arm leadership that brought likes of isis to all our doorsteps in Europe .

Was it not Labour that opened its doors and arms to all and sundry from Eastern Europe and Middle East,  Africa , Tim buk bloody two.

Was it not Labour that run up massive debts for the country last time they was in.

Was it not Labour that chucked money  and  houses to any f**ker that's out
Of work either with a limp or breading like rabbits  > cash for kids > now has a new meaning .

Is it not labour that has gone so far to the left ,that if they was all in a swimming pool they could only do a left armed circle motion .

Is not Labour that have abbot in its ranks .

And most important is it not Labour that have moved so far from the working class into middle class that they have taken untold  voters with them thinking they are now middle class

What can Labour do for the working class?

[MachoMadness]

f**king hell Oslo. I know you've claimed several times you don't like posting facts but that is literally the wrongest post I've ever seen on this forum. And I was here for all Madmick's spells.

How many times a day does Diane Abbott pop into your thoughts, by the way? I feel like she spurned you once.

[not on facebook]

Mate I never back my facts up as I just go from memory ,which today
is shocking I admit .

But there is some valid points in that rant and the message board police will soon be along to put us right .

I stand by my Labour to middle class b*llocks thou

[i_ateallthepies]

Ahem... NOF, it's Tim buk bloody tu and breeding like rabbits.

[Syme]

Was it not Labour that went into Iran while been lead down the garden path by that prick president brush

Which in turn after gadaffi was no more it left a country with no strong arm leadership that brought likes of isis to all our doorsteps in Europe .

Was it not Labour that opened its doors and arms to all and sundry from Eastern Europe and Middle East,  Africa , Tim buk bloody two.

Was it not Labour that run up massive debts for the country last time they was in.

Was it not Labour that chucked money  and  houses to any f**ker that's out
Of work either with a limp or breading like rabbits  > cash for kids > now has a new meaning .

Is it not labour that has gone so far to the left ,that if they was all in a swimming pool they could only do a left armed circle motion .

Is not Labour that have abbot in its ranks .

And most important is it not Labour that have moved so far from the working class into middle class that they have taken untold  voters with them thinking they are now middle class

What can Labour do for the working class?

I'll start:

Iraq not Iran

Gaddafi was overthrown during a Conservative-Lib Dem coalition Government, not Labour

Freedom of movement in the EU was a key part of the Maastricht Treaty - signed by the Conservative Government in 1992.

Timbuktu is in Mali. Citizens of Mali need a visa to work in the UK.

[not on facebook]

Thanks for the above mr syme  I allways get Iraq and Iran mixed up and what's a 'q' and a 'n' between skollars as it's all down to the oil.

Gadaffi > Hussain > got these two mixed all the time aswell tbh ,they all look the same too me.

Hussain > Iraq
Gadaffi > Iran   They both left a power vacuum when they was run out of whatever city and both country's were supplied a army of isis .

Labour was at the helm for the first mess and conservatives for the second as pointed out.

One mistake that you missed as it was bush not brush ,you can have that one on me .

As for that treaty In 1992 signed by the cons ,was  it not on blairs watch as in tony when he laid the welcome Matt out for half of Eastern Europe  without really vetting any of them and chucking money back to Eastern Europeans who were living in U.K. for their kids they had back in their home lands,via tax credits or whatever it was.





How do you stand on Labour > middle class punt ?

[Dagenham Rover]

Interesting, the company I work for a very large multinational but American based  company used to have local based I suppose controllers for want of a better word, local knowledge, local geographical knowledge etc etc things worked pretty well, they moved everything to an Eastern European country ....absolute chaos  no understanding whatsoever, 4 years down the line its still total utter chaos I may have worked the area for 20 odd years but I don't know nothing and they've been in their job a whole three weeks but  they know better! most of them are so arrogant its untrue and they are moving more and more support services over there how the hell we have any contracts left is unbelievable.
I was talking  to one of the decent ones the other evening they had a comedian on their national tv the other night apparently he was making jokes half the country work for my firm now and the other half start tomorrow 

[wilts rover]

How do you stand on Labour > middle class punt ?

I am trying work out how labour can have both 'moved to the middle classes' and 'have gone so far to the left ,that if they was all in a swimming pool they could only do a left armed circle motion' at the same time?

In my day policies aimed at benefitting the working class/people on lower incomes were termed socialist and on the left. Those aimed at the middle class were centrist.

So either the party has moved left and is persuing policies that benefit the working class - or it hasn't and is 'a middle class punt'. It can't be both.

It was Gordon Brown who said 'we are all middle class now' btw.

[not on facebook]

It's just my impression that labour is moving towrads middle class from my wonky eye.

But for sure whatever eye you are looking from labour is as far away from the working class than it's ever been today.

I mean you watch sky news today and voters saying they have voted for labour all their life ,but they will vote conservative come june because of the state labour is in .this would never have been heard of some 20 years ago .

In the long term this might be the making of labour ,as corbyn will be shown the door and maybe the fruit cakes will be shown the door with him.

saying the above all the media and experts and polls  was saying U.K. Would vote to remain on brexit

They also claimed that Clinton (silly bitch) would get in .

Now most are saying or expecting a conservative white wash > I might have a £100 on labour as one thing for sure the British voters don't like to be spoke down too like they was with brexit.