Adam Johnson.

[balbyrover]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/adam-johnson-prison-watch-video-10270442.amp

So what do we all think to this?

[StocktonRover]

That's orchestrated.
He knew he was being filmed and knew it would end up in the public domain.
It's like the guy filming him is interviewing him with staged questions to elicit specific answers.
The headline says one thing but the content of the video says something else.

[not on facebook]

Well if I was that school girls dad I be more than happy to take a lump hammer to mr Johnsons head and leave him gasping for his last breath.

[balbyrover]

That's orchestrated.
He knew he was being filmed and knew it would end up in the public domain.
It's like the guy filming him is interviewing him with staged questions to elicit specific answers.
The headline says one thing but the content of the video says something else.

I don't think it is. He wouldn't say "i wish i did" if he knew.
Quite obvioisly the sun have paid a prisoner for the video,its well known that phones are in prisons and the blokes will be comfortable speaking with him as hes on a wing full of pedofiles and sex offenders.
AJ is just daft and doesnt understand the seriousness of what he has done.

[StocktonRover]

That's orchestrated.
He knew he was being filmed and knew it would end up in the public domain.
It's like the guy filming him is interviewing him with staged questions to elicit specific answers.
The headline says one thing but the content of the video says something else.

I don't think it is. He wouldn't say "i wish i did" if he knew.
Quite obvioisly the sun have paid a prisoner for the video,its well known that phones are in prisons and the blokes will be comfortable speaking with him as hes on a wing full of pedofiles and sex offenders.
AJ is just daft and doesnt understand the seriousness of what he has done.

Listen again to what he says and how he uses it to have a pop at his sentence length.
He says it to try and point out how for 6 years he should have raped her instead of just kissing her. The "interviewer" then goes on to compare much shorter sentences for somebody not famous if they had done the same.

It's definitely orchestrated in my opinion.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

On another side, does he have a point?

[balbyrover]

On another side, does he have a point?

Yes in the sense that his sentence is harsher than others who have commited similar crimes.

However thats not to say that his sentence should be reduced, it just means the other sex offenders/nonces should have theres extended.

[DevilMayCry]

On another side, does he have a point?

Yes in the sense that his sentence is harsher than others who have commited similar crimes.

However thats not to say that his sentence should be reduced, it just means the other sex offenders/nonces should have theres extended.

Yes, his sentence is harsher than others....but at his age he should have treated her like a kid (fan), not like a woman

[balbyrover]

On another side, does he have a point?

Yes in the sense that his sentence is harsher than others who have commited similar crimes.

However thats not to say that his sentence should be reduced, it just means the other sex offenders/nonces should have theres extended.

Yes, his sentence is harsher than others....but at his age he should have treated her like a kid (fan), not like a woman

I agree DMC, and i think his full 6 year sentence is warranted.  I just feel that the others should be serving longer too.

Personally i think anybody found guilty of sexual offences/nonces should be castrated.  It will never happen,but it would eliminate a lot of future issues.

[Syme]

Who are these 'others' who haven't been given long enough sentences?

[balbyrover]

Who are these 'others' who haven't been given long enough sentences?

Theres hundreds,the justice system is screwed. Like AJ says in the video,there are people in prison serving VERY short sentences for sexual offences.
Heres just 3 examples below from articles on the net. Im sure theres hundreds more if you look.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2104287/Child-rapists-jailed-just-40-months--judge-said-11-year-old-victim-willing.html

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/uk/507549/Police-let-off-rapists-with-slap-on-the-wrist-punishments/amp

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/rapist-sentenced-to-3-years-in-jail-after-appeal

[Syme]

Who are these 'others' who haven't been given long enough sentences?

Theres hundreds,the justice system is screwed. Like AJ says in the video,there are people in prison serving VERY short sentences for sexual offences.
Heres just 3 examples below from articles on the net. Im sure theres hundreds more if you look.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2104287/Child-rapists-jailed-just-40-months--judge-said-11-year-old-victim-willing.html

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/uk/507549/Police-let-off-rapists-with-slap-on-the-wrist-punishments/amp

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/rapist-sentenced-to-3-years-in-jail-after-appeal

Sentences will vary according to not just the act but also the stance the perpetrator takes during their trial. I think Johnson originally pleaded not guilty, then changed his please to guilty for one count at a later date. The court would take a dim view of that so his sentence is likely to be slightly harsher than would otherwise be expected.

On the links you've provided:

The first example you've cited was appealed and they both got 7 years. They pleaded guilty from the start so that would have gone in their favour.

The second isn't within the formal judicial purview, it's a police decision. Which admittedly seems very odd.

The third is of a guy who was 14 when he broke the law and was subsequently convicted 35 years later. That's quite a complex case.

I don't buy into this view that sentencing is fundamentally flawed. I also don't think we should be clamouring for people to be sent to our prisons in the first place. Our recidivism rates are appalling.

[balbyrover]

You make a very good point re AJs case, he did plead innocent for the months leading up to the trial which as you've said will have done him no favours.
The articles I've provided are probably bad examples to be honest, here are a few where people have been found guilty of sexual activities with children under the age of consent.

Four years for inciting sexual activity below.
http://www.shropshirestar.com/news/crime/2017/02/28/newtown-man-jailed-for-four-years-over-sex-offence-with-girl/

Sex with a girl under 16. 33 months.
http://www.ilkestonadvertiser.co.uk/news/ilkeston-man-is-jailed-for-sex-with-girl-under-16-1-7173327

Sex and providing alcohol to a minor. 2 years.
http://www.readingchronicle.co.uk/news/13766436.Man_jailed_for_sex_with_girl__14/

Sex with under 16,proposed wanted to take her to pakistan with him at 53... 4 and a half years
Man__53__had_sex_with_girl__13__and_offered_to_leave_his_wife_and_children_to_marry_her

There just a few examples,this is AJs argument,and i think hes right in that sense,people in for similar crimes have had lenient sentences in the past. But that doesnt mean he shouldn't be serving as long as he is...

[ballysbackin]

Johnson is a Cry Baby - you do the crime you do the time...End Of

[Glyn_Wigley]

On another side, does he have a point?

Yes in the sense that his sentence is harsher than others who have commited similar crimes.

However thats not to say that his sentence should be reduced, it just means the other sex offenders/nonces should have theres extended.

Yes, his sentence is harsher than others....but at his age he should have treated her like a kid (fan), not like a woman

I agree DMC, and i think his full 6 year sentence is warranted.  I just feel that the others should be serving longer too.

Personally i think anybody found guilty of sexual offences/nonces should be castrated.  It will never happen,but it would eliminate a lot of future issues.

What would you do in those cases where the woman has cried rape and someone has been wrongly convicted and castrated before the truth is discovered?

[DonnyOsmond]

On another side, does he have a point?

Yes in the sense that his sentence is harsher than others who have commited similar crimes.

However thats not to say that his sentence should be reduced, it just means the other sex offenders/nonces should have theres extended.

This.

Not keen on how the papers have twisted into what they wanted aswell.

[balbyrover]

On another side, does he have a point?

Yes in the sense that his sentence is harsher than others who have commited similar crimes.

However thats not to say that his sentence should be reduced, it just means the other sex offenders/nonces should have theres extended.

Yes, his sentence is harsher than others....but at his age he should have treated her like a kid (fan), not like a woman

I agree DMC, and i think his full 6 year sentence is warranted.  I just feel that the others should be serving longer too.

Personally i think anybody found guilty of sexual offences/nonces should be castrated.  It will never happen,but it would eliminate a lot of future issues.

What would you do in those cases where the woman has cried rape and someone has been wrongly convicted and castrated before the truth is discovered?

Thats the flip side to it.
I just dont feel like sticking them on a houseblock and with the likes of each other is a good rehabilitation plan for them... its like sticking a load of bank robbers together...

I dont know what the alternative is or could be... but imo sentences need to be drastically increased and prisons more hostile... prisoners get better treatment than pensioners in care homes.

[BobG]

How old are you Balby? Do you remember Mrs Thatcher going on and on and on about how she was changing things to be 'tough on crime'? Do you remember how John Major followed exactly the same path? Do you remember Tony Blair and all his gang creating more new criminal offences with custodial sentences than any other government in history? Are you aware of Cameron's changing of the sentencing guidelines to ensure folk guilty of various crimes are automatically sent to prison?

Now, please explain to me, if we have had 35 years of successive governments being consistently 'tough on crime' just what improvement should we expect to see from "drastically increasing" sentences?

By how much would you increase sentences, for example, for those found guilty of, say, shoplifting? Or mouthing an obscenity at a football match? What benefit should society expect from drastically increased sentences for such crimes?

Cheers

BobG

[balbyrover]

I understand what your saying completely bob,but do you really think that rapists should get away with 3 or 4 years?

Prisons are meant to act as a rehibilation process rather than a punishment,which is fine.  I completely understand the thinking behind that. However having worked inside prison's i can hand on heart say that they are too lenient, for instance there is actually a project underway at Moorlands where IPADs and phones are being installed into every cell, so they can book there visits,order food,order catalouge items and call family from the comfort of there cells.

Whilst im not saying prisoners should be beaten and bullied i think its ridiculous that millions of pounds is being spent on project's such as this.  Whats the incentive to stay out of bother once released?
Is there any?

£1 a week tv fees.
Pool and ping pong tables.
IPADs and phones in cells.
On site medical centre.
3 meals a day.
Heating and a rent free accommodation.

We could argue about sentences all day long, every case is different etc however the biggest issue has to be how soft prisons are, if it wasnt for my family i would have no issues with being locked up.  It is a pretty cushty life inside so to speak.

[not on facebook]

You will get a far longer stretch for throwing punches at a football game or on the day of a game ,than what a sec case will recieve > work that one out.

I have no issues with what punishment is dished out via troubles at the football ,but surely any sec case offence is far worse and then they try to fix the sex cases by throwing time and money at them.

[ballysbackin]

How old are you Balby? Do you remember Mrs Thatcher going on and on and on about how she was changing things to be 'tough on crime'? Do you remember how John Major followed exactly the same path? Do you remember Tony Blair and all his gang creating more new criminal offences with custodial sentences than any other government in history? Are you aware of Cameron's changing of the sentencing guidelines to ensure folk guilty of various crimes are automatically sent to prison?

Now, please explain to me, if we have had 35 years of successive governments being consistently 'tough on crime' just what improvement should we expect to see from "drastically increasing" sentences?

By how much would you increase sentences, for example, for those found guilty of, say, shoplifting? Or mouthing an obscenity at a football match? What benefit should society expect from drastically increased sentences for such crimes?


My response was not about lengthening sentences, it was about a tosser who thinks he can get what he wants because he WAS a pro footballer.  I do not have to explain anything to YOU or anyone.

Cheers

BobG

[BobG]

What does this mean then Balby?

" imo sentences need to be drastically increased and prisons more hostile..."

If you're not prepared to be challenged what on Earth are you doing contributing to an avowed discussion forum? That's just a bizarre response.

Cheers

BobG

[balbyrover]

What does this mean then Balby?

" imo sentences need to be drastically increased and prisons more hostile..."

If you're not prepared to be challenged what on Earth are you doing contributing to an avowed discussion forum? That's just a bizarre response.

Cheers

BobG

I do think sentences are too lenient, i dont think anybody who commits a crime such as rape should be allowed to walk the streets for atleast 10 years, rarely are sentences handed out for that long for rape etc.

Ive not once said that im not prepared to be challenged?
Ive wrote my reply to your post 2 posts up? I think your confusing me with Bally.

[balbyrover]

Anyway, read in paper's today that AJs fiance has ended her ties with him and moved on to Gary Madine..
Hope she has fleeced him for every penny.

[Filo]

Anyway, read in paper's today that AJs fiance has ended her ties with him and moved on to Gary Madine..
Hope she has fleeced him for every penny.

Must be one of those that likes bad boys with money

[ballysbackin]

Madine a bit handy with the fists too. She probably been going short of hooky since AJ got sent down.   

[balbyrover]

Anyway, read in paper's today that AJs fiance has ended her ties with him and moved on to Gary Madine..
Hope she has fleeced him for every penny.

Must be one of those that likes bad boys with money

Yeah, my first thoughts. Another jailbird.

Joey Barton next.

[ballysbackin]

He too likes to knock people about, she might like a bit of rough