more attacts in london

[rich1471]

three more separate incidents tonight in London people have died but they have not said how many London bridge again, Vauxhall and borough market shocking London bridge is closed

[RedJ]

inb4 Oslo

[bpoolrover]

Time for security in mosques time for the Muslim community to step up

[RedJ]

Funny how you're quick to assume it's an Islamic attack... or how you ignore the fact that the Muslim community always does speak out against these extremists, if it does turn out to be Islamic...

[not on facebook]

So if it's not a extreme Muslim attack redj who is it .

The ira > no as they never use knives

It only can be extreme Muslims sorry to say .

23,000 known jihadis in the U.K. With only 3000 been tracked .

So that leaves 20,000 unaccountable .

[RedJ]

Still ignoring the fact that the Muslim community does in fact speak out against these kinds of attacks. But then that wouldn't suit an agenda...

[podrover73]

Redj please tell me what should be done then , this really needs to stop .

The majority of these isis supporting nutters are from the muslim community and we have left ourselves open to these sort of attacks by so called liberal attitudes.

The Manchester bomber went to Libya on at least four occcasions and was not stopped , yet we can stop football supporters from leaving this country.

His father did not condemn him and his father and mother have now fled back to Libya when they initially left there for the relative safety of this country twenty odd years ago.

We are to scared to offend people in the muslim community but we neeed to tighten the ship.

99% of mosques go about their business lawfully , but there are 1% of the mosques preaching hatred and recruiting these guys for Isis , but because of not offending the muslim community we don't go in and sort these issues out.

People who go to Syria to join Isis then decide they don't like it should never be allowed back into this country.

As for the people requesting that we now cancel the election on Thursday - please show this scum that we will not be stopped going about our business as normal, if we dont hold the election we will have lost to this isis scum.

As has been said it is time to stop saying how awful and holding vigils , and admit that the root of the problem is within the radicalised muslims and for their community to identify these dangers to our society.

[Filo]

Funny how you're quick to assume it's an Islamic attack... or how you ignore the fact that the Muslim community always does speak out against these extremists, if it does turn out to be Islamic...

Do you think it was a christian attack? Or a Hindu attack? Perhaps a Buddist attack?


People need to stop being apologists for these kind of attacks and stop jumping on people when they're stating the obvious

[glosterred]

Think it is time with these known 3000 on the watch list to intern the British element, deport those that are not and exclude anyone who is know to be involve with terrorism abroad from returning or entering/reentering this country.

[Filo]

Think it is time with these known 3000 on the watch list to intern the British element, deport those that are not and exclude anyone who is know to be involve with terrorism abroad from returning or entering/reentering this country.

Stick em Guantanamo Bay style on a uninhabitad island, let em fend for themselves and kill each other

[Nudga]

Redj please tell me what should be done then , this really needs to stop .

The majority of these isis supporting nutters are from the muslim community and we have left ourselves open to these sort of attacks by so called liberal attitudes.

The Manchester bomber went to Libya on at least four occcasions and was not stopped , yet we can stop football supporters from leaving this country.

His father did not condemn him and his father and mother have now fled back to Libya when they initially left there for the relative safety of this country twenty odd years ago.

We are to scared to offend people in the muslim community but we neeed to tighten the ship.

99% of mosques go about their business lawfully , but there are 1% of the mosques preaching hatred and recruiting these guys for Isis , but because of not offending the muslim community we don't go in and sort these issues out.

People who go to Syria to join Isis then decide they don't like it should never be allowed back into this country.

As for the people requesting that we now cancel the election on Thursday - please show this scum that we will not be stopped going about our business as normal, if we dont hold the election we will have lost to this isis scum.

As has been said it is time to stop saying how awful and holding vigils , and admit that the root of the problem is within the radicalised muslims and for their community to identify these dangers to our society.

The Manchester Libyan bomber and his family were known to MI5 as the father was recruited by British secret service to help over throw colonal gaddaffi.
MI5 helped to create The Libyan Freedom Fighters with funding, training and weapons. They were also also allowed to come back and forth as they wished.
This same tactic was used in Syria with the creation of ISIS to over throw Assad.
The Libyan Freedom Fighters are now part of ISIS.
The BBC will not report things like this, and the government will not admit to it either, ever heard of deniable operations?
The British government have more to answer for than the mosques of Britain.
This is all to do with Oil and arms deals, it's shady as f**k, why are we agreeing arms deals with Saudi Arabia? They have a worse human rights record than Saddam Hussein and Gaddaffi did put together but we're in bed with that lot.
I know I'll come in for a lot of stick with this post but I am more disillusioned with our government and intelligence agencies than I am with Muslims living amongst us.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

You wonder whether we have enough resources to weed out these extremists and then deal with them. If we haven't already, we need a network of infiltrators to identity these evil people.

The border controls do need to be backed up by intelligence and anyone returning from Iraq/Syria etc., needs to be quarantined.

They live amongst us. Be vigilant.

[Glyn_Wigley]

The IRA said

Think it is time with these known 3000 on the watch list to intern the British element, deport those that are not and exclude anyone who is know to be involve with terrorism abroad from returning or entering/reentering this country.

The IRA said internment was the biggest recruiting sergeant they ever had. Is that what you want to hand to these extremists?

[Filo]

The IRA said

Think it is time with these known 3000 on the watch list to intern the British element, deport those that are not and exclude anyone who is know to be involve with terrorism abroad from returning or entering/reentering this country.

The IRA said internment was the biggest recruiting sergeant they ever had. Is that what you want to hand to these extremists?

Whats your solution Glyn?

Shall we just turn a blind eye to people with known extremist links?

Let them continue to walk the streets while innocent civilians continue to be slaughtered?

[glosterred]

I'd rather have these f**kers interned than walking the street able to carry out these attacks, what do you suggest we do appease these people more than we already have done. The time for action is now.

[Filo]

If you're a suspected football hooligan you get passport confiscated and movements restricted, and these extremist f**kers are allowed to roam around freely, total f**king madness!

[ballysbackin]

RIGHT...I DO NOT CARE IF THIS OFFENDS

The ones involved are products of "Free Speech" They are the products of " Cowards in this Country who do not dare to stand up to such atrocities people like Corbyn and also the leader of Lib Dems, like it or not Farage was right. Trump is right "PUT OUR OWN COUNTRY FIRST" The actions this last fortnight will win the Election for the Tories and I will tell you why. They are the only party who are saying "they are killing us so we kill them" They have given the Police the right to shoot to kill and Corbyn  says Trident? is not needed. What is needed to any lily  fairies is a strong policy - Bring back all overseas personnel from all BFPO except Gib and Falklands, defend this country from within, there is sufficient MOD properties vacant that can rehouse them and let them spend their money in England instead of foreign economies, stop all overseas aid to corrupt countries or those who home Terrorists.

The military to assist Police in Patrols (If it offends people tough) If the baddie kills people around you then I kill the baddie are you going to scream for my blood or shall I let them towards you and let them kill you or your children,

NOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE NOW THINKING THE SAME, OR SHOULD WE IGNORE THE POOR VICTIMS, how much longer before their is an atrocities and attacks on Christians whilst attending a Sunday Service,

THE TORIES WILL WIN THIS ELECTION BECAUSE IF THEY DO NOT THIS COUNTRY WILL BE IN A WORSE STATE THAN EVER - SOMEBODY HAS GOT TO GET A GRIP AND IMO THERESA MAY IS GETTING IT RIGHT. She fighting an election and is trying to clear the path to dump the Europeans, to get our own Bill of Rights and not cower to the Germans or French.   This is for discussion and I have not really read much of the points as above because my mind was already made up as soon as I read the headlines this morning

Now next season there will be searches of fans going into grounds, The fairies will not like it and complain as they have done on the Black Bank this season, but who is to blame????? Well as I have posted elsewhere, all of us, for closing our eyes and not wanting to be seen as a squealer  or a Grasser.

Well despite all this and believe me I have no mercy for the scum who are dealing in death, I shall now go to Mass this morning with my daughter because all I really have is my religion,Nobody will take that away..


NEVER MIND COMMENTS SUCH AS "WELL YOU WERE A COPPER BLAH BLAH BLAH" I am no longer a Policeman and my views either in the Police or now have never been different.  Corbyn says he has never had a meeting with the IRA but admits speaking with Sinn Fein, err Adams and Mc Guinness were leaders of the Political Branch of the IRA
 

[Glyn_Wigley]

The IRA said

Think it is time with these known 3000 on the watch list to intern the British element, deport those that are not and exclude anyone who is know to be involve with terrorism abroad from returning or entering/reentering this country.

The IRA said internment was the biggest recruiting sergeant they ever had. Is that what you want to hand to these extremists?

Whats your solution Glyn?

Shall we just turn a blind eye to people with known extremist links?

Let them continue to walk the streets while innocent civilians continue to be slaughtered?

The police themselves say that more community policing is a big factor in intelligence gathering that has been lost due to the cuts in manpower as they get to know people on the ground not only get to know who could be the wrong 'uns, they become a focal point for the muslim community to talk to, no matter how trivial the information might be.

Possibly creating more of them by interning masses of them irrespective of their potential guilt isn't a solution in my eyes - the radicals will point to it and say to those they want to recruit 'look what they're doing, they don't believe in their own laws'. Also, picking up one person in a cell (because you won't get all of them) will lead to the others in that cell thinking it won't be long before they're picked up too...so lets go and kill as many as we can before that happens.

[ballysbackin]

Glyn..I was a Community Bobby as I have previously stated and you are right, I got told who was what by many of normal people and I pushed the info up the ladder, made my job easy to be able to talk to people without problems, it was fun in nice weather but when it was snowing or heavy rain? well I hope you get the point.

Community Policing is the only way to have a good relationship with the general public..But society changed and towards the end of my job, if I was walking in Moorends and got sent to a job in Thorne "First thing that I was hit with was - YOU TOOK YOUR TIME". that was 16 years ago I finished but people phone the Police and almost immediately start their stopwatch to count how long it takes for Police to arrive. How this can now be averted I do not know.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

If you're a suspected football hooligan you get passport confiscated and movements restricted, and these extremist f**kers are allowed to roam around freely, total f**king madness!

We're OK though, your mate Jeremy will have a chat with them....

[Glyn_Wigley]

More local b

Glyn..I was a Community Bobby as I have previously stated and you are right, I got told who was what by many of normal people and I pushed the info up the ladder, made my job easy to be able to talk to people without problems, it was fun in nice weather but when it was snowing or heavy rain? well I hope you get the point.

Community Policing is the only way to have a good relationship with the general public..But society changed and towards the end of my job, if I was walking in Moorends and got sent to a job in Thorne "First thing that I was hit with was - YOU TOOK YOUR TIME". that was 16 years ago I finished but people phone the Police and almost immediately start their stopwatch to count how long it takes for Police to arrive. How this can now be averted I do not know.

More local bobbies would seem to be the obvious solution - how many small police stations have also been closed down or are only open for a few hours at a time?

The problem is that Theresa May won't start increasing Police numbers because it's under her - first as Home Secretary and then PM that we've lost so many feet on the ground. To start recruiting again is an admission that she's done the wrong thing for the past seven years so that's not going to happen. Instead her proposal after Manchester is some sort of 'Commission' which sounds feeble at best. I don't think Labour's proposed increase in police numbers goes far enough but at least it's a step in the right direction.

[Filo]

If you're a suspected football hooligan you get passport confiscated and movements restricted, and these extremist f**kers are allowed to roam around freely, total f**king madness!

We're OK though, your mate Jeremy will have a chat with them....

Hardly the time for Political point scoring is it, but then again a Tory never passes up a chance to get a dig in

[ballysbackin]

Glyn Again I agree, the current top table in South Yorks Police have stated there were mistakes made and they must return to Bobbies on the beat. You are also correct in what you say that there will be no rise in Police numbers and I fear that the new announcements of fast track Promotions and entry is by Degree only will blow up in their faces, I suspect that despite legal argument that somebody is going to eat humble pie and come out and state the obvious that they got it wrong. I do not think it will happen but we live in hope.

I do not know what the real solution is but I think what was in the Manifesto of all parties had since been changed in this last 24 hours. I pray for the dead and the families involved and also for the safety of all Emergency Services involved.

This Country and others in Europe lowered theur borders and such as IS have exploited it,  We can argue on here but it will not make any difference

[ballysbackin]

Filo - I do not think anyone is trying to score points but at this moment in time certain people may say things and later think "OOOPPS should not have said that" we are all in a state of shock again and the baddies are winning at this time, how it is dealt with is not up to you, me or anyone on this site.

[balbyrover]

Its a disgrace, how many attacks does it take before we actually fight back?

We are victims in our own country!! Anybody with any terrorist links should be deported immediately and never allowed to return, stop anybody with links actually entering the country,close the mosques, whatever it takes to eliminate the problem.  Its frightening to think that we as people are bringing our children up on this awful world.

[wilts rover]

The Tories will make the country safer will they? Is it not stating the blindly obvious again that they have been in power for 7 years and the attacks are getting more frequent.

Removing control orders on terrorist suspects so they can go fight for MI6 in Libya. Cutting community policing by 20000 so the police dont have contacts and dont know whats going on in these communities. Cutting police budgets by 4% each year so those who are left have less resources.

Selling arms to the Saudis and Turkey - which then find there way to ISIS.

Increasing our involvement in foreign wars with no idea or plan for a political settlement afterwards.

This is all without the decling job prospects and increasing racial hatred against foreign communities in this time that acts as a recruiter.

Do you not think decisions like that have consequences?

Go on. Vote for 5 years more of that and 5 years more decline, poverty, isolation and cuts if you want. Where is the Tory plan to make our country better and safer, I haven't seen it. All I have seen are plans to make the rich, richer and budgets cheaper.

Oh but Jeremy Corbyn wont drop a nuclear bomb on them!!!

[Sprotyrover]

More security won't stop this,Knife attacks like this happen all of the time in Israel,and you can't knock them for security,We need to be out of the EU as soon as, we must stop free movement
Just how many of the 300,000 Merkel welcomed with open arms are capable of this sort of thing.
The Muslim community has failed to integrate and tha itself is an issue, that needs to be addressed there must be thousands of them who are listening to all sorts of shite being spouted by idiots in their communities and they need to be encouraged and helped top report it.
As for the idiots who went to fight the good fight we must make impossible to get back here,we don't want them, they made their beds and now they need to lay in em!

[wilts rover]

One more point from me the government needs to answer. Why were terrorist threat levels reduced last week? What does this show about the intelligene capability to keep us safe?

[Sprotyrover]

Teresa May"Despite all of my best efforts to run down and demoralise The Police service over the past 7 years I am shocked to report that they managed to respond and kill all 3 Terrorists within 8 minutes of them receiving the first 999 call"

[wilts rover]

Fair enough points Sproty but what it should emphasise is how vital it is we have a deal with the EU so that we retain our access to the EU Police Information database and have joint security arrangements with them.