General Election Predictions

[MachoMadness]

I don't believe the DUP are terrorist sympathisers. However the point is they have far more connections to alleged former terrorists than Corbyn does, and Corbyn got slaughtered in the press for it. I suspect the print media will be somewhat quieter about this though.

[Filo]

May called the election on the Mantra of "Strong and Stable" we had that rammed down our throats for 2 or 3 weeks. When it became clear that "Strong and Stable" would n't be delivered, the Mantra was changed to "Coalition of Chaos" if JC won, that was rammed down our throats, along with the buzz phrase "Magic Money Tree" regarding Labours fully costed manifesto against the Tories totally uncosted manifesto. They also tried the terrorist sympathiser slur on JC to discredit him!

And now what have we got?

A minority Tory government, propped up by a party found from a terrorist organisation, with an uncosted manifesto without a magic money tree, a true "coalition of Chaos"

Everything the Tories said we'd get if JC won!

[Filo]

So he isnt a terrorist then?

How then is Teresa May a terrorist sympathiser?

That is a bit of a defamatory statement.

I give up, it's because of people like you that we're in this mess!

He formed a paramilitery organisition, by default that makes him a terrorist, I accept he was never convicted of terrorist offences, but then again niether was Osama Bin Laden, was he not a terrorist either?


Here we go, read and digest this from a week ago

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2017/dup-chief-arlene-foster-met-uda-boss-days-after-loyalist-murder-in-bangor-35776873.html

You know what, it is bigots like yourself that cause more damage than anyone else.
You are what i would call an extremist.

I suppose i should expect it from you though.
Havent you got a fare to collect.

Lol!

The true bigots are our King makers the DUP

Why should you expect it from someone like me?

P.S. FYI I'm just going out to work 😀

[drfchound]

Why is it because of people like me that "we are in this mess".

I voted not to leave the EU by the way.
i suppose you want a pop at me for that as well.

Have you nothing to say to MachMadness for agreeing with me that the DUP are not terrorist sympathisers?

Or Herman Hessian ?

[Herman Hessian]

I don't believe the DUP are terrorist sympathisers.

sensible enough conclusion

now, if we can only get over them being luridly homophobic, anti-abortion, creationists, we can all get on just fine....

[Bentley Bullet]

To say Labour had an emphatic win some of its supporters are bloody sore losers!

[drfchound]

Yeah but they were always going to win in Donny BB.

[MachoMadness]

I don't believe the DUP are terrorist sympathisers.

sensible enough conclusion

now, if we can only get over them being luridly homophobic, anti-abortion, creationists, we can all get on just fine....

That is the more worrying part of it for me. Then again we've always been happy to jump into bed with the Saudis and so on so I don't know why people are so surprised May would turn in any kind of morals to cling onto power.

[drfchound]

Do you think we should withdraw all our technology sales and people from Saudi, and maybe stop buying their oil as well?
This is also a genuine question MM, not a pop at you.

[MachoMadness]

For one, the report into funding of terrorism needs to be published. Diplomacy and sanctions if necessary need to be employed, whether that does result in any of the three measures you mention, alongside pressure from international community (something May is incapable of working alongside it seems), it is something I would support. Hopefully alongside a long term environmental energy policy, we can reduce our reliance on Middle East oil. Obviously this is a very long term strategy but that's the only way you can look at things when it comes to Middle East diplomacy and terrorism.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Check the facts Filo, unlike Sinn Fein, they have never been associated with loyalist paramiltaries.

Of course Ian paisley was associated with them.

I'm confused...which one of these is the truth?

[drfchound]

Selective quotes.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Selected for a reason. They contradict each other.

[drfchound]

Not questioning your colleague Filo who intimated that Paisley could have been a terrorist and May a terrorist sympathiser.

[Glyn_Wigley]

So have they been associated with a paramilitary organisation or not?

[drfchound]

You decide.
You are obviously a know all.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Filo and other people reading this might like to know.

[MachoMadness]

Just to give the fan club on here a much needed update, Diane Abbott was elected once again with an increased majority.

[Herbert Anchovy]

You don't have to do much digging to find that the DUP have, at best, a questionable history when it comes to links to terrorist organisations such as Ulster Resistance. Seems all very shady.

However, both Sinn Fein and the DUP were catalysts in the delivery of the Good Friday Agreement so some may argue that it's time to move on and to embrace their inclusion into mainstream politics.

What is undeniable though is that the DUP have some extremely robust views on a wide variety of subjects and I can't imagine they'll make comfortable bedfellows for Mrs May.

[Filo]

The point I was making, was that the Tories and the right wing press saw fit to mention Corbyns past links with the IRA, in an attempt to discredit him. The boot is on the other foot now after they have jumped into bed with the DUP, it seems it's ok if you're a Tory and you mix with questionable people, not a peep from the right wing press either

[not on facebook]

Human nature filo as no body will put their hands up to been wrong or looking wrong .

Their silence on the subject speaks volumes

[Glyn_Wigley]

Human nature filo as no body will put their hands up to been wrong or looking wrong .

That strikes a chord.

[Filo]

Human nature filo as no body will put their hands up to been wrong or looking wrong .

Their silence on the subject speaks volumes

In this case it's not human nature. It's a case of the media using their own platform to spread lies and half truths to manipulate the masses towards their way of thinking, on other words brainwashing. The weak, vunerable and gullible will swallow it all and deny any evidence put forward that contradicts what they say, despite not supplying any evidence to back up what they say. We've seen it in this very thread regarding association with terrorism, when offered evidence the subject matter is very slightly changed when they have been proven wrong. A total act of denial in the face of the facts!

It's also happened in this election, a perfect examplle is the Tory voters keep peddling the myth that Labour is responsible for the deficit, when in fact the deficit has gone through the roof since the Tories have been in power. Ask yourself where these people get their info from? The right wing media, thats where, they have been brainwashed, so much so that they even deny they have been brainwashed and taken for fools

[Bentley Bullet]

But isn't there a difference? Didn't Corbyn have links with the IRA at the time it was actively committing acts of terrorism, whereas the present Tory deal with the DUP is almost half a century after any alleged paramilitary activity?

[Filo]

But isn't there a difference? Didn't Corbyn have links with the IRA at the time it was actively committing acts of terrorism, whereas the present Tory deal with the DUP is almost half a century after any alleged paramilitary activity?

Here you go, from just over a week ago

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2017/dup-chief-arlene-foster-met-uda-boss-days-after-loyalist-murder-in-bangor-35776873.html

[drfchound]

Check the facts Filo, unlike Sinn Fein, they have never been associated with loyalist paramiltaries.

Of course Ian paisley was associated with them.

I'm confused...which one of these is the truth?

As i said Glyn, you choose selective quotes and put your spin on them.
Let me explain so you can come out of your confused state:

The first quote of mine that you highlighted was in relation to the fact that the DUP have never been associated with terrorist organisations.

The second quote you highlighted is a response to Filo's question and my answer was to say that Paisley was associated with the DUP.

So clearly the quotes of mine that you highlighted are not a contradiction of each other but are responses to different questions and you have decided to try to discredit me by linking the two together as two answers to a single question.

That should make it clear to an man as educated as yourself.

Before you say that the DUP are or have been a terrorist group, no less than the Independant Online have said today that "there is no suggestion that the DUP actively sought the endorsement from the group (paramilitaries) or that in turn it supports the UDA.

I hope that strikes a chord too pal.

[Herbert Anchovy]

There's always been strong rumours of links between the British establishment (possibly including the government) and loyalist terrorism in Ireland. I think it's right that Corbyn is asked to clarify his position on his s Sinn Fein links, however pretty much every government that we've had has been in contact with Irish terrorist groups on both sides. It's a very, very shady area indeed and it's folly to think that the British establishment hasn't had some direct and indirect influence on loyalist terrorism.

[drfchound]

But isn't there a difference? Didn't Corbyn have links with the IRA at the time it was actively committing acts of terrorism, whereas the present Tory deal with the DUP is almost half a century after any alleged paramilitary activity?

Here you go, from just over a week ago

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2017/dup-chief-arlene-foster-met-uda-boss-days-after-loyalist-murder-in-bangor-35776873.html

And you say the Tory supporters are brainwashed by the media Filo, LOL.

There are also other articles on this subject which dont have quite as much left wing spin on them.
Arlene Foster has openly said that anyone engaged in terrorist activities should stop and if they dont they should be open to the full rigour of the law.

Maybe the lefties are brainwashed as well.

[wilts rover]

Anyone who doesn't believe the DUP have long and established links with terrorism in NI is deluded.

The DUP have strong historical links with Loyalist paramilitary groups. Specifically, the terrorist group Ulster Resistance was founded by a collection of people who went on to become prominent DUP politicians.

Peter Robinson, for example, who was DUP leader and Northern Ireland’s First Minister until last year, was an active member of Ulster Resistance.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/dup-terror-links-skeletons-cupboard-10593921

However in 1998 they signed the Good Friday Peace Agreement (as did Jeremy Corbyn but not Michael Gove) and have since 1998 worked on removing terrorism, guns and arms from NI politics. As have the people Jeremy Corbyn supported.

If you condem people being government for what they said and did in the 1970's, 80's and 90's then you need to have some balance. If you are saying its fine they can now shape the direction of the country for what they have done since 1998 - then you need to have some balance. But if you say the DUP have never been associated with terrorism in NI then you are very wrong.

[drfchound]

Wilts, lets get this straight.

You are backing your argument with a newspaper link.

I used a piece from the Independant to back my case.

Which is right or wrong.

I guess i already know your answer.