Exit Poll

[tommy toes]

Looking grim for Mother Teresa.
Shokking scenes. .
Come on Corbyn!

[not on facebook]

At least Sunderland will be first in one league with looks of it eh

[RedJ]

And the Magpies beat em in that as well.

[Donnywolf]

Yaaaahhhhhooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooo

(Thats all)

[Donnywolf]

BTW who needs to stay up all night. The bloody Exit Poll was pretty bloody accurate !

[not on facebook]

And the Magpies beat em in that as well.

That has to have been pure toucher of the Mackems getting knocked off top spot by
the bar codes and at same time a w**kfest for the toon army .

[RobTheRover]

May not going to resign, it's now being reported.

The Tories clinging on by their fingernails.

[Donnywolf]

Yes no doubt propped up by DUP who can now demand and get stuff from their own wish list into being or into consideration.

That is unfair given they got just under 300,000 votes and got 10 seats with which they can barter and get real changes (mainly for them) whereas the Green Party got 500,000 votes and just the one Seat with which they can do nothing

It cant be a fair system surely

[Bentley Bullet]

In 2015 UKIP got 4 million votes and just the one seat!

[wing commander]

   Whoever you vote for a hung parliament is the worse thing for the country...On one hand You've got the Tories who now need to promise the unionists anything they want to get a majority or on the other you've got Corbyn who cant form anything without the SNP who would demand another referendum to play ball and could end up leaving a parliament they would jointly run....Politics is Bizzare sometimes....
     As a tory I will happily admit Corbyn played a blinder...He never thought he could get a majority so that gave him license to offer a manifesto he knew he probably couldn't deliver but knew he wouldn't have to...So he could offer all the sweets to the untapped market of the young...But it takes a lot to get them out of bed but he managed it....
     The Tory's didn't offer much of anything in there manifesto because they fully expected they would have to then deliver it, so had to be much more cautious but while May is a good PM imo,she's awful out on the hustings....
   As for the liberals they will claim a good night but in reality it wasn't they tried to mobilise the remain vote and was only partialy successful in achieving that....

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Well Corbyn can't form a government it isn't possible really.  Sinn Fein got 7 seats plus the speaker so that takes the number to 322 for a majority. Tories 3 short it seems.  Probably enough to go on their own but it won't work out well.

[drfchound]

   Whoever you vote for a hung parliament is the worse thing for the country...On one hand You've got the Tories who now need to promise the unionists anything they want to get a majority or on the other you've got Corbyn who cant form anything without the SNP who would demand another referendum to play ball and could end up leaving a parliament they would jointly run....Politics is Bizzare sometimes....
     As a tory I will happily admit Corbyn played a blinder...He never thought he could get a majority so that gave him license to offer a manifesto he knew he probably couldn't deliver but knew he wouldn't have to...So he could offer all the sweets to the untapped market of the young...But it takes a lot to get them out of bed but he managed it....
     The Tory's didn't offer much of anything in there manifesto because they fully expected they would have to then deliver it, so had to be much more cautious but while May is a good PM imo,she's awful out on the hustings....
   As for the liberals they will claim a good night but in reality it wasn't they tried to mobilise the remain vote and was only partialy successful in achieving that....

That is a good and decent summary of events wingco.
My views too.

[RedJ]

Out of interest, what exactly makes you think she's a good PM?

[wing commander]

Well obviously I am a tory but I do think she's done a good job on the whole...She came in on the back of Cameron and she's had to face the brexit fiasco,she had the sense to know that the talks were going to be very difficult and like in business you have to keep your hand close to your chest even though it would have been better for her personally to reveal it more than she did...Unemployment is low and the economy starting to show signs of flowering...As for Austerity in truth the  spending on public services this government has done is not much different in many areas to what Labour were offering under Milliband...
     Like I said Corbyn opened the sweetshop offering the world to everyone but it was never deliverable in reality but he knew he wouldn't ever get a majority so you can be a lot more generous in your pledges...Taking nothing away from him though...
     She also recognises the importance of the USA,especially with brexit meaning we wont be at the front of there trade deals and we are going to need those USA deals more than ever..I've no doubt she hates Trump like most of us do,but she has the good sense to know that we need them over the next few years so has to play ball for the sake of the Country...
    At the end of the day her inability to connect better with the youth and her miscalculation that ukip voters would back her on Brexit along with a poor campaign on the Hustings has cost her..But from were I'm sitting I cant think of anybody I trust more from any party to lead our Country than her...Of course been Donny and red as a baboon's arse the majority will disagree with me but that democracy for you..lol

[mrfrostsdad]

   Whoever you vote for a hung parliament is the worse thing for the country...On one hand You've got the Tories who now need to promise the unionists anything they want to get a majority or on the other you've got Corbyn who cant form anything without the SNP who would demand another referendum to play ball and could end up leaving a parliament they would jointly run....Politics is Bizzare sometimes....
     As a tory I will happily admit Corbyn played a blinder...He never thought he could get a majority so that gave him license to offer a manifesto he knew he probably couldn't deliver but knew he wouldn't have to...So he could offer all the sweets to the untapped market of the young...But it takes a lot to get them out of bed but he managed it....
     The Tory's didn't offer much of anything in there manifesto because they fully expected they would have to then deliver it, so had to be much more cautious but while May is a good PM imo,she's awful out on the hustings....
   As for the liberals they will claim a good night but in reality it wasn't they tried to mobilise the remain vote and was only partialy successful in achieving that....

Bang on Wingco.
You can offer anyone the World if you know you won't have to deliver it

[Donnywolf]

   Whoever you vote for a hung parliament is the worse thing for the country...On one hand You've got the Tories who now need to promise the unionists anything they want to get a majority or on the other you've got Corbyn who cant form anything without the SNP who would demand another referendum to play ball and could end up leaving a parliament they would jointly run....Politics is Bizzare sometimes....
     As a tory I will happily admit Corbyn played a blinder...He never thought he could get a majority so that gave him license to offer a manifesto he knew he probably couldn't deliver but knew he wouldn't have to...So he could offer all the sweets to the untapped market of the young...But it takes a lot to get them out of bed but he managed it....
     The Tory's didn't offer much of anything in there manifesto because they fully expected they would have to then deliver it, so had to be much more cautious but while May is a good PM imo,she's awful out on the hustings....
   As for the liberals they will claim a good night but in reality it wasn't they tried to mobilise the remain vote and was only partialy successful in achieving that....

I agree (not that I am anything other than a run of the mill voter). This has degenerated into a complete m-e-s-s and we have perhaps the worst of all worlds now

However the Conservatives have caused most of it / the lot by bickering endlessly on the EU and our Membership thereof. It was said yesterday by "a pundit" that the European issue has effectively "done for" ALL the Tory PM's for the last 30 years - and imo (as a Remainer) Cameron totally misjudged the situation stupidly thinking he could scratch the itch once and for all by calling a Referendum which he knew (or thought he knew) he would win. That would put an end to the EU Debate for a generation or two

So sure was he that he probably failed to even think - "I had better stick in that it needs to be at least 66% of those voting must vote "out" for it to be binding. He did not and that was imho a sad mistake. We ended with the Country split down the middle and far from seeing things through as he said he would irrespective of the result - he fell on his sword immediately.

May came through the ranks having (did people notice) not gone out on a limb by campaigning either Yes or No in the Referendum and taking big bets (it appears she was a Remainer of course).  That was a good tactic - keep your head down and pick up the opportunist pieces when they appear which they did very shortly afterwards. She gave a Thatcher parody speech outside Number 10 and there the similarity ended.

For me she is just not a plausible PM. She had belittled Gordon Brown because he had not been "elected" as our PM and so was not legitimate yet the instant the boot was on the other foot she did not see the need to offer herself up for that same legitimacy test and now we have arrived here (wherever that is)

Instead of Strong and Stable (I was fed up of hearing that after just two hearings) she has thrown away that opportunity and we are as you say (and I took ages for me to get to) in a reet mess.

Bring in PR as soon as possible I say and get less extremism either way.

[roversdude]

In principle she is a great PM but not good in debates etc
Corbyn as others have said offered the world and would have bankrupt the country

[BobG]

In princicple perhaps RD. But what about in practice?

Cheers

BobG

[roversdude]

In practice Bob she dithers

[BobG]

Cheers Dude!

Bob

[Akinfenwa]

I don't agree with use of the phrase 'bankrupt the country' with reference to the UK. The UK, as a monetary sovereign nation, cannot be forced into bankruptcy. We cannot run out of our own currency.

I actually feel that Labour's plan for the economy in this election was sensible and carried far less risk than the Tories'. The potential long term economic (and societal) impact of a less healthy, less well educated and less productive population caused by a failure by government to invest properly is pretty damn scary. These investments would pay for themselves over time but this dismissive government don't appear to be interested. Despite the cost they have been more interested in pursuing a goal of eliminating the budget deficit by 2015 2025, a goal which, by itself, holds no inherent value whatsoever. A silly narrative used as an excuse to reduce the size of the state, which is a political decision.

Would Corbyn have been able to deliver on his promises? Who knows? But him turning those promises into reality wouldn't have been constrained by finance, only by politics and time.