FAO The absent BST

[tommy toes]

You were certain that Labour would crash and burn under Corbyn. You wre scathing about him and the left of the party.
You went on and on about 1983 and just wouldnt accept that things were different now.
You just couldnt see it.
Come back and explain yersen spadge.

[selby]

Tommy,someone so passionate about labour as BST will not be bothered about being wrong today mate.He will be bubbling.

[roversdude]

Has anyone ever seen BST and Theresa May together- maybe BST has been busy for the last few months

[mushRTID]

Where is he anyway??

Didn't he always used to shoot people down for "babbying"?

Is he babbying?

[GazLaz]

But didn't Labour get beat? Aren't they celebrating just not getting spanked as badly as they thought they would?

[NickDRFC]

Look as though he's still lurking even if not posting - last online on 2nd June.

[drfchound]

But didn't Labour get beat? Aren't they celebrating just not getting spanked as badly as they thought they would?

Gaz, come on, that can't be true can it.

[RedJ]

But didn't Labour get beat? Aren't they celebrating just not getting spanked as badly as they thought they would?

They've done better than 2015. So no not really as they've made gains.

[drfchound]

But didn't Labour get beat? Aren't they celebrating just not getting spanked as badly as they thought they would?

They've done better than 2015. So no not really as they've made gains.

RedJ, isnt that what he said but in different words.

[MachoMadness]

Labour are the team that scraps and avoids relegation comfortably in the end. Tories are the team that throws millions, has the biggest ground at it and fails to make the play-offs. They're both mid table but relatively speaking only one can be considered to be a success. Only one team has a solid platform to build on in future, and an energised youth vote which many said was impossible.

[tommy toes]

Biggest share of the vote - 41% since 1945.
I'd call that a good result.
BST was adamant Labour would be sunk without trace under Corbyn.
He couldn't have been more wrong.

[CrippyCooke]

Preventing a Tory majority is worthy of celebration.

[bpoolrover]

Thing is in 5 years Corbyn will be nearly 80 and there is every chance he won't be in charge, once he goes they will go back to how they were

[MachoMadness]

That may be true bpool however if the PLP get their act together and unite with Corbyn to put forward a genuine left wing alternative candidate, who can then be endorsed by Corbyn in an ambassadorial role then there's no reason that youth vote can't be retained. Granted a big part of Corbyn's appeal is his lack of deference to Britain's imperial past and his tendency to be on the right side of history, however if that support is lent to a young mp with no baggage it could be very successful.

[RedJ]

But didn't Labour get beat? Aren't they celebrating just not getting spanked as badly as they thought they would?

They've done better than 2015. So no not really as they've made gains.

RedJ, isnt that what he said but in different words.

Not really, no. Not getting spanked as badly as you think suggests losing seats.

[Bentley Bullet]

Just in case people are getting deluded, the Tories still got nearly 60 more seats than Labour, and that was with possibly the most ineffective Tory leader in political history in charge.

[glosterred]

Saw this and thought that it may be of interest

[Bentley Bullet]

Like one observer said this morning, Corbyn promised the young voters Freddie Mercuryism, I want it all, I want it now, something he could never have afforded had he actually won.

[BobG]

Hear hear BB! I was just going to write the same thing. The most incompetant Tory campaign in decades and despite Jezza doing better than he ever gave much impression of doing, Labour were still roundly thumped. They are 65 seats away from even the tiniest majority. This isn't a victory. It's self congratulation that denies the evidence in front of all our eyes. Troubles for May does not equate to a triumph for Jeremy.

Cheers

BobG

[tommy toes]

Funny how May's campaign is seen as incompetent and Labour's brilliant only after the result is known.
Little mention of this til today.
Nice aftertiming Bob.

[Herman Hessian]

Hear hear BB! I was just going to write the same thing. The most incompetant Tory campaign in decades and despite Jezza doing better than he ever gave much impression of doing, Labour were still roundly thumped. They are 65 seats away from even the tiniest majority. This isn't a victory. It's self congratulation that denies the evidence in front of all our eyes. Troubles for May does not equate to a triumph for Jeremy.

Cheers

BobG

i did wonder how long it would take for folk to cotton on that labour have "won" nothing but the hollowest of, err, defeats

however unelectable the rightly reviled and ridiculed May might be, after what;s purported to be the worst election campaign in living memory, with the opposition jubilant to the point of unbridled ecstacy, she's still a massive fifty-odd seats closer to being able to implement her will than the new darling of the disenfranchised yoof...

and they say that the tories are the masters of spin - jesus !

and that's not aftertiming - it's f**king fact...

[drfchound]

I bet there was a moment last night when Jeremy thought " shit, we might win this, get Dianne back to work out how we can back up the promises I made".

[tommy toes]

Yes the Tories are 58 seats better off as you Tory gloaters are quick to point out. This is mainly due to the electoral system.
The Tories got 44%
Labour 41%.
From where Labour have come from and the weight of vitriol thrown at Corbyn from all and sundry, getting 41% is nothing short of remarkable.
Carry on ignoring that fact.

[drfchound]

Not ignoring it Tommy but the fact is that the system is what it is and the Torys won.
Accept it.

[Herman Hessian]

I bet there was a moment last night when Jeremy thought " shit, we might win this, get Dianne back to work out how we can back up the promises I made".

see my earlier comments about may and her win/win scenario - she's been handed a way to back out of doing stuff that the didnt want to do in the first place under the guise of it being "at the will of the electorate" - stupid old bird must be laughing her way to an executive role at an un-named offshore investment bank...

[drfchound]

Lol, you may well be right eventually Herman.

[Herman Hessian]

Yes the Tories are 58 seats better off as you Tory gloaters are quick to point out. This is mainly due to the electoral system.
The Tories got 44%
Labour 41%.

you do know that its exactly the same electoral system that's returned every labour government since the war (and beyond), don't you  - or were they equally untenable - for some spurious reason that only you are party to ?

[Herbert Anchovy]

But this election wasn't like the majority of general elections in our history. It wasn't an election to necessarily choose a new government as we already had one in place. We didn't need to have it!

The vote was designed to provide the incumbent government with an increased majority first and foremost, not to endorse a new government. And they failed. Whilst they have the most seats their ability to govern effectively is seriously diminished. Labours goal was to ensure that the expected Tory landslide didn't happen. And they succeeded. That's why the election was actually a clear victory for Labour.

Kind Regards,
Mr Herbert Anchovy
Professor of political dark arts, propaganda, spin and bullshit
10 Druids Lane
Flamborough

Tel - 01-811-8055

[Bentley Bullet]

So Labours goal wasn't to win the election?

[BobG]

So the country is going to be run by a party offering strong and stable leadership. The same party and leadership that created the instability that is Brexit by caving into UKIP, the right wing press and it’s Eurosceptic wing by offering an unnecessary referendum. The same party and leadership that then failed to make the case for remain and allowed discontent over immigration and globalisation to manifest itself as a vote to leave. Resulting in an opportunistic PM who supported remain but now positions herself as the only person able to lead the Brexit negotiations on the basis of “no deal is better than a bad deal”. The same PM who as Home Secretary failed to curb immigration and reduced police numbers putting our security at risk. Who as PM now offers to reduce immigration and used security co-operation as a bargaining chip with the EU. Who then holds hands with Trump and the Saudis as policy for the UK “taking back control”.  You really could not make it up.

And despite all this, Jezza is still 65 seats off even the tiniest majority. Some victory.... I'd hate to see him lose.

BobG