White van drive man fisnbury park mosque.

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Seems like  a white man has drove his van into a group of Muslims killing one and a few been injured in  a reported another London terror attack.

The driver has been arrested .

No knives involved or nothing else found in the van .

The Iman from the mosque came out and kept the crowd in check untill police took over.

What was that tears for fears Song > mad world

[DevilMayCry]

[RedJ]

I demand all white people come out and condemn this attack.

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This will be interestering on how the police deal with this act and on what the Muslim community demand should be done.

It seems at the moment he was a lone driver and that's after reports of 3 men been seen in the van and a knife was seen apparently.

Van hire company is from wales .

So he has drove from the valleys with intent you would say.

Iam going to stick my neck out here and say he was a lone wolf ,with no background help since nothing else was found in the van.

Police will soon find out if he had right wing connections or not ,that most will be thinking.

[auckleyflyer]

It is abhorrent and im proud that so far there has been no revenge attacks. Its what the extremists want. Puts everyday people against one another. Its getting close to point where its difficult for anyone to sit on the fence. Sad

[GazLaz]

Abu Hamza's old hang out, Finsbury Park.

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Whenever a terror attack is the other way round we all know straight away that it's  a extreme Muslim because there have been so many of them ,and we now know the protocall of such attacks.

This is the first time that the shoe is on a different foot as for certian it's muslims that have been the sole target > unless his denfence is that he was a drunk driver > .

Question is was he right wing or somebody that has lashed out after recent events .

The van was empty in the back so no added bags of sand etc etc to add weight to the van which makes it more dangerous .

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Abu Hamza's old hang out, Finsbury Park.

It's a pitty that he did not take that prick out as all would be happy with that.

In that mosques defence it was a iman from said mosque that came out and stopped other Muslims from playing five a side football with van drivers head.

[Filo]

Abu Hamza's old hang out, Finsbury Park.

It's a pitty that he did not take that prick out as all would be happy with that.

He'd have a long drive for that Hamza is currently serving life in America

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Abu Hamza's old hang out, Finsbury Park.

It's a pitty that he did not take that prick out as all would be happy with that.

Is that the fcuker with the wonky eye and hook hand
He'd have a long drive for that Hamza is currently serving life in America

[balbyrover]

Whilst everything that has previously happened is a disgrace I really don't think that you can condone this sort of attack.

Its only going to make things worse,yes we need to fight back but isolated terror attacks arent the answer and actually dont make our terrorists any better people than theirs.

Not all Muslims are terrorists.

[Herbert Anchovy]

Whilst everything that has previously happened is a disgrace I really don't think that you can condone this sort of attack.

Its only going to make things worse,yes we need to fight back but isolated terror attacks arent the answer and actually dont make our terrorists any better people than theirs.

Not all Muslims are terrorists.

Course you can't condone it mate!! How can anyone condone driving a van into a load of people on the street!!

[MachoMadness]

Very interesting, the response to this terrorist attack. Tells you a lot about what sort of country we're living in. What message getting that cockroach Tommy Robinson on Good Morning Britain the day after the attack sends out, I'm not so sure.

[Filo]

Very interesting, the response to this terrorist attack. Tells you a lot about what sort of country we're living in. What message getting that cockroach Tommy Robinson on Good Morning Britain the day after the attack sends out, I'm not so sure.

What defines it as a terrorist attack?

What terror group did he belong to?

Is it being labelled a terrorist attack to pacify the Muslim community?

I would suggest it was a hate crime based on recent events, and the target chosen because of Abu Hamza's links to it

[MachoMadness]

Abu Hamza was extradited five years ago and is currently serving life in prison in the USA. Now the mosque is well-known as a pillar of that community that does a lot to help muslim immigrants integrate into London life. I'd suggest that has more to do with it, and of course it isn't too far from Jeremy Corbyn's house.

Why do you have to be associated to a terror cell to be a terrorist?

It's a terrorist attack. Plain and simple. If this was a Muslim lone wolf there wouldn't be any question about it, as there hasn't been at other recent attacks. Frankly it's worrying that people seem to be thinking otherwise, plays very much into the race war narrative that Muslim extremists and far-right extremists seem to be desperate for.

[i_ateallthepies]

I think Filo has called it right.  The one other possible explanation mentioned in the media that takes it still further from a terrorist attack is the possibility that the culprit was mentally ill.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Very interesting, the response to this terrorist attack. Tells you a lot about what sort of country we're living in. What message getting that cockroach Tommy Robinson on Good Morning Britain the day after the attack sends out, I'm not so sure.

What defines it as a terrorist attack?

What terror group did he belong to?

Is it being labelled a terrorist attack to pacify the Muslim community?

I would suggest it was a hate crime based on recent events, and the target chosen because of Abu Hamza's links to it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_Act_2000#Definition_of_terrorism

I think it's Section (1)(b) that applies here.

You don't have to be part of a group to be a terrorist.

[MachoMadness]

I think Filo has called it right.  The one other possible explanation mentioned in the media that takes it still further from a terrorist attack is the possibility that the culprit was mentally ill.

You're not wrong, however you can still be a mentally ill terrorist. Often Islamic terrorists are mentally ill lone wolves with a long history of violence, anger issues and family problems but that doesn't stop them being called terrorists. They are terrorists, and so was this guy.

Not aiming this at you, rather just a general comment about our society, but we would not be seeing this discussion anywhere if the bloke was a Muslim. There is a problem with structural bias in British society, which we'd do well to remember when moaning about how Muslims don't integrate into our society properly (again, not aimed at you or even anyone in this thread, just generally musing).

[wilts rover]

It concerns me that some people are seeking to somehow 'downplay' the seriousness of this attack as opposed to some of the other more recent ones. It's almost as if 'it can't be a terror attack because it's a white bloke'.

There are lots of similarities between this attack and Westminster Bridge. That attacker had no links to a terrorist organisation (that have yet been shown) other than watching videos on youtube. Both took place very close to a culturally important building - and with a rented vehicle.

He intended to kill people for a political purpose. If that is what constitutes a terror attack then that is what it was.

[i_ateallthepies]

We are all speculating, you have no more proof that this was a terrorist attack than someone saying it wasn't.  My understanding of terrorism (the clue is in the name) is someone who commits an act with the intention of causing fright (terror) to the wider public.
None of us will know what was the motive until it has been properly investigated.  Investigations into most of the recent attacks have established a clear link with terrorist organisations, so far as I have heard no such connection has yet been found with the latest attack.

The reaction of the man's immediate family would suggest they are not racists and Filo's speculation that it was a hate crime seems to me to carry equal weight to the terrorist possibility.  I volunteered the mental illness possibility since it was mentioned on the BBC news a couple of nights ago.

I don't know what was the motive and until it is known my mind is open.  To suggest that those of us who are yet to be convinced of ANY of the various possible motives is reason for concern and that it somehow indicates any kind of societal bias is quite frankly nonsense.

[Muttley]

In my mind, all terrorists are mentally ill.

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That prick of a mayor of London whatever his fcuking name is basically described a recent terrorist act in London by saying "this is just life in a big city '

The term terrorist was never used when it was extreme Muslim on the London public.

A man from the valleys drives a van into a group of Muslims and said scaghead of a mayor deems the act as a terrorist attack straight away.

How can anyone back this .

I find corbyns reaction to the finsbury park terror attack completely disturbing ,sheading some tears my fcuking arse .there was no tears for Manchester or previous London terror attacks from him.

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In my mind, all terrorists are mentally ill.

Never underestimate a emeny

For some toot to keep on stepping up to chop someone's head off in the name
of whatever god is not sick or ill.

[MachoMadness]

Kind of proving the point there iateallthepies. Splitting hairs over the definition of terrorism doesn't happen when it's a brown bloke doing the terrorising.

The man drove a van into a prominent mosque with the sole intention of killing as many Muslims as possible. He knew it would cause chaos and terror in that community. It IS terrorism. That isn't up for debate. What caused him to do it, mental illness, hatred, etc, is.

That prick of a mayor of London whatever his fcuking name is basically described a recent terrorist act in London as been the downfall of living in a major city etc etc .

The term terrorist was never used when it was extreme Muslim on the London public.

A man from the valleys drives a van into a group of Muslims and said scaghead of a mayor deems the act as a terrorist attack straight away.

How can anyone back this .

I find corbyns reaction to the finsbury park terror attack completely disturbing ,sheading some tears my fcuking arse .there was no tears for Manchester or previous London terror attacks from him.

For one, Sadiq Khan never said that. I know you don't like knowing things but when you're quoting someone it's best to get it right, otherwise you're just gobshitting. He said being prepared for a terror attack is part of living in a big city, in reference to supporting the Police.

Every time there's a Muslim terrorist attack, it's dubbed a terrorist incident straight away, alongside calls for every one of the 1.6 billion peaceful Muslims in the world to condemn it, and to do more for victims, etc etc. Much of Theresa May's "Enough is enough" speech was specifically about Islamic extremism. What are you on about?

Corbyn WAS out on the streets meeting victims and releasing statements after all the recent terrorist attacks and actually bothered to meet survivors of Grenfell before Theresa May did. But he's not allowed to express sorrow for people in his OWN constituency, round the corner from his own house, because they're brown and they wear funny hats?

In short, you're talking bigoted shit again.

[wilts rover]

None of us will know the motive!

Witnesses described seeing Osborne shouting “I’m going to kill all Muslims” and saying the attack was "for London Bridge" as he was arrested and dragged from the scene by police.

The Telegraph reported Osborne had become radicalised following the recent terror attacks in London Bridge and Manchester.

He is allegedly to have hurled insults at his Asian neighbour's 12-year-old son and was allegedly thrown out of his local pub the night before the attack for "cursing Muslims".

Osborne, 47, told locals in a Cardiff pub on Saturday night he was "going to do something about them", after hearing there was a Ramadan rally planned in the capital the following day.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/finsbury-park-mosque-terror-attack-muslims-darren-osborne-van-driver-family-neighbour-troubled-a7798256.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/19/finsbury-park-suspect-had-abused-muslim-neighbour/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/20/finsbury-park-terror-suspect-planned-attack-muslim-march-london/

[wilts rover]

The term terrorist was never used when it was extreme Muslim on the London public.

Bulls**t!

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Kind of proving the point there iateallthepies. Splitting hairs over the definition of terrorism doesn't happen when it's a brown bloke doing the terrorising.

The man drove a van into a prominent mosque with the sole intention of killing as many Muslims as possible. He knew it would cause chaos and terror in that community. It IS terrorism. That isn't up for debate. What caused him to do it, mental illness, hatred, etc, is.

That prick of a mayor of London whatever his fcuking name is basically described a recent terrorist act in London as been the downfall of living in a major city etc etc .

The term terrorist was never used when it was extreme Muslim on the London public.

A man from the valleys drives a van into a group of Muslims and said scaghead of a mayor deems the act as a terrorist attack straight away.

How can anyone back this .

I find corbyns reaction to the finsbury park terror attack completely disturbing ,sheading some tears my fcuking arse .there was no tears for Manchester or previous London terror attacks from him.

For one, Sadiq Khan never said that. I know you don't like knowing things but when you're quoting someone it's best to get it right, otherwise you're just gobshitting. He said being prepared for a terror attack is part of living in a big city, in reference to supporting the Police.

Every time there's a Muslim terrorist attack, it's dubbed a terrorist incident straight away, alongside calls for every one of the 1.6 billion peaceful Muslims in the world to condemn it, and to do more for victims, etc etc. Much of Theresa May's "Enough is enough" speech was specifically about Islamic extremism. What are you on about?

Corbyn WAS out on the streets meeting victims and releasing statements after all the recent terrorist attacks and actually bothered to meet survivors of Grenfell before Theresa May did. But he's not allowed to express sorrow for people in his OWN constituency, round the corner from his own house, because they're brown and they wear funny hats?

In short, you're talking bigoted shit again.

So will it make me a bigger bigot when I bring the names babar Ahmad and yasser al whatever his name is to the table.

As the London mayor has brushed up along side said two convicted terrorists and shared platforms .

Surely this is questionable behavior especially for a man in his position .

Christ if I was seen sharing a platform with likes of Lilly Allen ,my best mate Diane abbot etc etc you think that I had a left wing outlook.

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It concerns me that some people are seeking to somehow 'downplay' the seriousness of this attack as opposed to some of the other more recent ones. It's almost as if 'it can't be a terror attack because it's a white bloke'.

There are lots of similarities between this attack and Westminster Bridge. That attacker had no links to a terrorist organisation (that have yet been shown) other than watching videos on youtube. Both took place very close to a culturally important building - and with a rented vehicle.

He intended to kill people for a political purpose. If that is what constitutes a terror attack then that is what it was.

It was a terror attack all day long in my book

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The term terrorist was never used when it was extreme Muslim on the London public.

Bulls**t!

I seem to have miss typed my intentions there fella ,and I agree as it reads it is bull shit

[MachoMadness]

NOF, can't be arsed rebutting that, but here's a link, all sourced and everything. Basically you're regurgitating failed smears from years ago, weren't true then and aren't now.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/20/tory-claims-sadiq-khan-alleged-links-extremists

Safe to say, if you were a talking head in a debate panel just as Khan was, and Diane Abbott happened to be on the same panel, no one would accuse you of being left wing.