Marquis Bashing

[Branton Rover]

I just can’t understand why the lad gets so much stick - he’s tenacious and hardworking and if your an opposing defender he’d be a nightmare to play against because of his nastiness (in a good way).

He’s on a bit of a goal drought currently but ask yourself has he missed any chances of late - the answer is no, because he hasn’t been presented with clear cut openings.  The goals will come for him he just needs one to go in off his backside and then he’ll be off again.

When he didn’t have anybody alongside him and he was playing up-front on his own - he was guilty of trying to do too much. But how can you criticise a player for trying too hard. Now he’s got the support of both Alfie’s he’s playing much better as his workload has been halved.

[since-1969]

He has in my opinion turned a corner in his game and is has become the threat a striker should be . He has by his standards last season NOT been up to the task . Im sure he has accept that this and has been trying over come the difference in the standard of the 2 leagues . It clearly shows that his contribution to the team is benefiting form his change of approach . Results has shown that we have a new striker but he needs an effective partner that’s all. 

[roversdude]

I agree he works tirelessly and is linking up play now

[NickDRFC]

I agree that he gets far too much stick but you say he hasn’t missed any chances...yesterday he should have scored before Copps did and just before the corner which Butler scored from. He also had some really poor touches in and around the box yesterday which meant a potential shooting opportunity was missed.

Regardless, and despite his histrionics, he worked hard yesterday and had a reasonable all round game.

[dickos1]

I agree with nick, he gets far too much stick but he missed two very good chances yesterday. The one that lead to the goal and the rebound from mays effort which he should've also scored.
His work rate compared to Williams and mandeville is in a different world, it's strange because he's the type of player that fans usually warm to

[graingrover]

He works extremely hard , is playing a rôle designated to him by his boss and clearly has the respect of DF for the way he is going about it. Yesterday at one point he was covering back in our left back position and though he caused a free kick from his challenge was the only player got  back to cover the danger . Fans may be right to challenge the rôle he is playing but there is no way he can be criticised for his work ethic and determination other than by a mean tongue .

[Branton Rover]

That’s my point he’s the only one in our team who’s got a nasty edge to him - you can see he hates losing and I like his tenacious spirit & agression - he keeps himself in check in the main and yesterday he manufactured the penalty by drawing the lad into lunging in. I’d have been screaming blue murder had he done that against us - but he’s got our shirt on and deserves our full backing from the stands & forums alike in my opinion - put it another way we’d be knackered without him. Keep it up JM

[BessieBlue]

I thought his general play was good yesterday. He was challenging for a lot of high balls and every time he ended up being sandwiched between two defenders - very physical and strength sapping that role.

[anne honemous]

Some of the criticism he got yesterday was laughable though there was also a point to it somewhere.

As I've said already in a couple of posts, with the ball at his feet then he's absolutely fine as he usually manages to make something happen - whether that be bringing others into the game with a lay-off for a shot/cross, drawing a tackle or creating something for himself.

When he doesn't have the ball at his feet, he's the most frustrating player in our team as he'll half-heartedly bumble along and not really offer that much.

But, again, I'd still have him in the team over any of our other striking options as I think we're more likely to get a goal involing Marquis in some capacity than Mandeville, May or even Andy Williams.

[1879Rovers]

I think some of our fans don't like the fact they cannot whinge about the manager when we win so need to whinge at someone. I honestly do believe that some of our fan base prefer us to lose just so they can say I told you so.

This site is busier when we are playing badly.

[dickos1]

This is spot on, but you will get the brigade on at you now!!

"They're as happy as anyone when we win"

[RoversAlias]

One of those two chances he "missed" was actually a great reflex save by the keeper who made several excellent saves, including ones from Rowe and May.

The negativity on here is doing my head right in, we've won back to back games and are nearly in the top half now yet folks on the VSC forum just can't help but have a dig at players left, right and centre. Miserable.

[BillyStubbsTears]

It was ever thus. I vividly recall autumn 2003, when we were in the middle of what must have been the best league run in the club’s history. P15 W13 D1L1. The moaning and whinging that STILL came out of some people even then...


Some people seem incapable of innocently enjoying positive situations. I reckon it’s a defence mechanism. A fear of being seen to be naively optimistic. The need to be able to say, “See! I told you things weren’t that good,” when a down turn happens.

It’s quite sad to be honest.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

I also agree with Nick and certainly don't want him dropped or subbed as some were calling for yesterday. That said, sometimes he doesn't help himself with his hystrionics, ranting at anything that moves including his own players who put perfectly good balls in to him that he could have done better with.

Yes, we want the aggression and the winding up of the opposition, but sometimes he should applaud the likes of Kongolo, who put in a great cross for him to attack, rather than berate him.

We want him to score ASAP before it becomes a monkey on his back but let's not be blaming other players when they've done little wrong!

[Branton Rover]

Personally I don’t mind him giving team mates a mouthful as it encourages them to improve and do better in their own game & ultimately that lifts everyone to get victories. The only thing I take issue with Marquis is when he talks back at officials which risks getting booked which leads to suspensions

[Superspy]

I also agree with Nick and certainly don't want him dropped or subbed as some were calling for yesterday. That said, sometimes he doesn't help himself with his hystrionics, ranting at anything that moves including his own players who put perfectly good balls in to him that he could have done better with.

Yes, we want the aggression and the winding up of the opposition, but sometimes he should applaud the likes of Kongolo, who put in a great cross for him to attack, rather than berate him.

We want him to score ASAP before it becomes a monkey on his back but let's not be blaming other players when they've done little wrong!

What you've said there DBR is the key point for me. I have no problem at all with Marquis general work-rate...most of the time he runs his balls off. But I think he gets some stick because of his body language, particularly towards his team-mates when he's not happy because the ball wasn't put within an inch of his boot - the one involving the pass from May yesterday was laughable with the way it turned out.

If he spent less time mouthing off at people like Rowe (there doesn't seem to be any love lost between those two) and more time thanking\congratulating his team mates for the things they get right, and just got on with playing the game when things weren't going 100% his way, he might get a different reaction from people. References yesterday to "Mardy Marquis" and "Miserable Marquis" weren't exactly a surprise.

[Colemans Left Hook]

think this deserves a repost from lucky pint

for anybody who lives on a menu of "doom and depression" on this site
at this moment in time Rovers are only 3 points above both Gillingham and Plymouth who WE all thought were certanties for relegation a few weeks ago

food for thought

[Alan Southstand]

He is, without question, the hardest working player in the team. Compare and contrast to any other striker we currently possess and he is a clear winner on the work rate front. Let's face it, he's doing half of the work that our midfielders should be doing! Take note of other team's strikers and tell me who works harder than JM. What he isn't, this season yet, is a clinical striker. Now, just maybe, if he backed off a bit on the work rate side and put more energy into his finishing, we would have a very good frontman. That can only come with guidance and help from the manager/coaches.

[Colemans Left Hook]

That’s my point he’s the only one in our team who’s got a nasty edge to him - you can see he hates losing and I like his tenacious spirit & agression - he keeps himself in check in the main and yesterday he manufactured the penalty by drawing the lad into lunging in. I’d have been screaming blue murder had he done that against us - but he’s got our shirt on and deserves our full backing from the stands & forums alike in my opinion - put it another way we’d be knackered without him. Keep it up JM

have we forgotten that he "manufactured" that penalty against a team that he won a Division 2 Championship medal playing for  -- so any potential goal celebration might have been muted yesterday -- but it would be interesting to know what the Northampton fans think of him winning the penalty

[BillyStubbsTears]

We lose: Ferguson is shit.

We win: We haven’t won two on the bounce all season.

We win two on the bounce: Marquis’s body language is shit.

We win three on the bounce: That means the Board won’t spend in January.

We head towards the play-offs: This squad will be shit if we go up.

We get promotion: The fact that we didn’t win the title is an absolute disgrace.

We win the title: What a boring, workmanlike side. No flair.

We go up to a higher league: This Board will never invest enough to get us promotion again.

Everyone of those responses has been made by people on here at various times in the past day, week, month, year, decade. It’s genuinely sad how some folk have to wrap themselves in this cloak of misery.

[IDM]

Bring back Dave Cusack, BST, then even I would start moaning frequently!!

[Copps is Magic]

People can't make distinctions between  abuse and criticism. Between constructive criticism and criticism. Its impossible to tell people's inflections over a written post and everything inevitably sounds impetus and arsey.

Whenever i personally make a critical post i do it with the best of intentions, in the hope it has some resonance for the club or the player. To live in a world free of constructive criticism would be a completely lifeless experience.

The problem is the people who don't have the intelligence to comprehend a proper place for criticism - the eternal optimist and pessimist - of which there are a few on here. When these people start preaching the 'correct' way to support the club it becomes nauseating really.

[Chris Black come back]

Some eminently sensible points in there CiM.

[dickos1]

A lot of the criticism on here is far from constructive. All the examples from billy aren't constructive. They are people always searching for something to moan about.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Copps
Permit me to suggest that you may be over-estimating your own importance in thinking that you’re well-balanced and finely-argued criticisms might influence the club or players. Although you might be right. Who knows?

What I do know is that I, personally, see football supporting as a pursuit that demands a certain level of irrational optimism. Not blind faith, obviously, because that would be stupid. But a hope that better rather than worse outcomes will occur. That’s why we stay for the last ten minutes at 0-2. Because...if we could just grab a goal now...

Frankly, I cannot see any point in following a football team if you discount the positives and accentuate the negatives as several people on here seem to do. That seems like a thoroughly self-flagellatory existence. Life chucks enough shite at you and for most people, Football is a chance to bathe in a bit of optimism. Like I say, if it’s not serving that purpose then what on Earth is the point?

[i_ateallthepies]

A lot of the criticism on here is far from constructive. All the examples from billy aren't constructive. They are people always searching for something to moan about.

Dickos, a post I made this week is probably one BST had in mind for the fourth point in his list but I was voicing a genuine concern in light of what happened two years ago.  I stand by it.

I am not one of your "people always searching for something to moan about".

[Iberian Red]

People can't make distinctions between  abuse and criticism. Between constructive criticism and criticism. Its impossible to tell people's inflections over a written post and everything inevitably sounds impetus and arsey.

Whenever i personally make a critical post i do it with the best of intentions, in the hope it has some resonance for the club or the player. To live in a world free of constructive criticism would be a completely lifeless experience.

The problem is the people who don't have the intelligence to ...

 Thank God we have one intelligent poster to put it into plain English for the rest of us!

[Donny Dub]

It’s running off topic here again and I’d like to return to discussing Marquis. 
I’m not fond of criticising any of our players but I really do not rate Marquis as an effective player and I’m astonished after the ‘player of the season’ accolade he earned last season, the battle we had to secure his signature for this term and the probable big pay increase he got.  What has happened to him this season?  I promise you I’d really like to watch his arrogant strutting, chest out goal celebrations again but it hasn’t happened much has it?   Instead we watch a moaning, arm waving, petulant player who cannot hold the ball up well or control it properly and shoots weakly when presented with a chance and most of the goals he gets are goalmouth scrambles.  Added to this and it would really annoy me, if I was an opposing player,  are his deceitful falling over and injury feigning practices; although yesterday this got the penalty for us but I would have found it a hollow victory had this been the only score of the game.  I really wish he’d improve, it’s been embarrassing watching him play this season.
Good luck!

[bobbymax]

It’s running off topic here again and I’d like to return to discussing Marquis. 
I’m not fond of criticising any of our players but I really do not rate Marquis as an effective player and I’m astonished after the ‘player of the season’ accolade he earned last season, the battle we had to secure his signature for this term and the probable big pay increase he got.  What has happened to him this season?  I promise you I’d really like to watch his arrogant strutting, chest out goal celebrations again but it hasn’t happened much has it?   Instead we watch a moaning, arm waving, petulant player who cannot hold the ball up well or control it properly and shoots weakly when presented with a chance and most of the goals he gets are goalmouth scrambles.  Added to this and it would really annoy me, if I was an opposing player,  are his deceitful falling over and injury feigning practices; although yesterday this got the penalty for us but I would have found it a hollow victory had this been the only score of the game.  I really wish he’d improve, it’s been embarrassing watching him play this season.
Good luck!

Am I missing something? How was that penalty yesterday 'deceitful'? The defender tackled from behind and caught the man and not the ball. It was a penalty any day of the week!

[dickos1]

It’s running off topic here again and I’d like to return to discussing Marquis. 
I’m not fond of criticising any of our players but I really do not rate Marquis as an effective player and I’m astonished after the ‘player of the season’ accolade he earned last season, the battle we had to secure his signature for this term and the probable big pay increase he got.  What has happened to him this season?  I promise you I’d really like to watch his arrogant strutting, chest out goal celebrations again but it hasn’t happened much has it?   Instead we watch a moaning, arm waving, petulant player who cannot hold the ball up well or control it properly and shoots weakly when presented with a chance and most of the goals he gets are goalmouth scrambles.  Added to this and it would really annoy me, if I was an opposing player,  are his deceitful falling over and injury feigning practices; although yesterday this got the penalty for us but I would have found it a hollow victory had this been the only score of the game.  I really wish he’d improve, it’s been embarrassing watching him play this season.
Good luck!

What a load of drivel you sound like a Barnsley fan talking about a doncaster player