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[adamtherover]

Walsall were a terrible side, yet the walked away from the Keepmoat with a 3-0 win.

Yeah your right but we were worse that day!!

No we wernt, we just gifted them 3 goals.  Game over..

[Jonathan]

In fairness, the opening poster has had to put up with stick on here all season for pointing out that the walls weren’t falling in around us. So I think a little gloating about the fact that we’re doing okay is more than reasonable, there has been plenty of revelling in poor form.

It all comes in swings and roundabouts. We are perennially one or two games from a crisis. We’ll lose a few again at some point and normal service will be resumed.

[GazLaz]

In fairness, the opening poster has had to put up with stick on here all season for pointing out that the walls weren’t falling in around us. So I think a little gloating about the fact that we’re doing okay is more than reasonable, there has been plenty of revelling in poor form.

It all comes in swings and roundabouts. We are perennially one or two games from a crisis. We’ll lose a few again at some point and normal service will be resumed.

This.

[Bentley Bullet]

When Darren Ferguson publicly announces in post-match interviews that the team were poor, is he revelling in poor form?

[pib]

I think there's a difference between "pointing out the walls aren't falling in" and blind unwavering optimism.

Of course all posts are somewhere on a sliding scale, and some have been ridiculous... but is questioning some of the manager's decisions and expressing frustration at the team's capabilities not allowed?

 

[Jonathan]

I think there's a difference between "pointing out the walls aren't falling in" and blind unwavering optimism.

Of course all posts are somewhere on a sliding scale, and some have been ridiculous... but is questioning some of the manager's decisions and expressing frustration at the team's capabilities not allowed?

 

I’m not sure who the question is being asked to there. Equally I don’t think this kind of exchange would ever crop up if it was merely a case of expressing frustrations or questioning the manager’s decisions on occasion.

It’s very easy to forget what a toxic environment the likes of this forum (and even moreso Facebook / Twitter) become after a bad result or two. It all goes way way over the top. And if someone has the audacity to attempt to redress the balance, they are rounded upon as if they’re a deluded fool! Personally I think the opening poster could be forgiven for questioning who the fools actually are.

It’s simply a point of fact that some posters are particularly quiet because we’ve done okay lately. Are we really to believe that the Frosts wouldn’t have been on here if, for example, we’d just lost three without scoring?

[Bentley Bullet]

.....And equally, would Dickos have started this thread in order to provoke them, had we lost?

[Jonathan]

.....And equally, would Dickos have started this thread in order to provoke them, had we lost?

Probably not. He wouldn’t need to as there’d already be fifteen live and firing threads. But I’m sure (I think) we’d all prefer to see somebody gloating about the fact that we won! Even if we don’t like ‘gloating’ and it gets on our nerves a little, surely the means makes the end worthwhile.

It’s like the people that say “we won but I still want Fergie out.” Well for that to realistically happen, logically we would have to stop winning and go on a fairly terrible run, so why would anyone say they want that to be the case?!

On the contrary, if people are irritating others because they’re peddling an agenda that involves winning games and doing well, then long may it continue for me.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Go back a month or so to when this all started. The thing that baffled me was that it was clear from both performances and points gained that we were on a positive trajectory. And yet the complaints were getting worse. It does get tiresome reading the whinging and the totally disproportionate criticisms of individual players match after match. 

[wilts rover]

When Darren Ferguson publicly announces in post-match interviews that the team were poor, is he revelling in poor form?

Only if he posts it on here with an expert anaylsis on why the defeat was all down to him and why he should be sacked?

[pib]

I think there's a difference between "pointing out the walls aren't falling in" and blind unwavering optimism.

Of course all posts are somewhere on a sliding scale, and some have been ridiculous... but is questioning some of the manager's decisions and expressing frustration at the team's capabilities not allowed?

 

I’m not sure who the question is being asked to there. Equally I don’t think this kind of exchange would ever crop up if it was merely a case of expressing frustrations or questioning the manager’s decisions on occasion.

It’s very easy to forget what a toxic environment the likes of this forum (and even moreso Facebook / Twitter) become after a bad result or two. It all goes way way over the top. And if someone has the audacity to attempt to redress the balance, they are rounded upon as if they’re a deluded fool! Personally I think the opening poster could be forgiven for questioning who the fools actually are.

It’s simply a point of fact that some posters are particularly quiet because we’ve done okay lately. Are we really to believe that the Frosts wouldn’t have been on here if, for example, we’d just lost three without scoring?

Nobody in particular.  Don't really tend to post for a response, just generally throwing ideas out there.

I agree it can be toxic, but I don't think people who post a balanced view or just their honest opinions at that point get "rounded on" particularly.  I think it's just those who won't accept anyone else's point of view, and will vehemently and pedantically argue the toss with anyone who expresses an opinion that disagrees with their worldview that everything Donny Rovers do on the pitch is bloody amazing and that the manager is untouchable no matter what happens. (Or the opposite).

I can see both sides but I don't think dickos does himself any favours getting so wrapped up in what other people think all the time. He spends so much of his time fighting petty arguments and laying into other posters that he then feels the need to justify himself when we get some results that vaguely fit in with his perspective.

I think people would rather enjoy the wins we are getting than have people trying to antagonise.  Same goes for when we get beat - yes the same old "told you so" posters will surface and that is equally as annoying when most folk would rather just chat and debate honestly about how the team has played.

Unfortunately I think it's human nature that people are quicker to jump up and complain than they are to put themselves out there when things are great.  That's one of the reasons why I am sceptical about reviews on Amazon/TripAdvisor and the like - I think people are more likely to surface and put their view forward if they've had a bad experience than a good one. Folk just like to get their complaints off their chest.  It can be annoying but I think it's just a mentality thing generally.

FWIW I have put forward frustrations and concerns about the manager and the team in the past, but equally I try to balance things up and give credit where it's due, and have never once called for the Fergie's head.  I'm just as delighted as the next Rovers supporter that we seem to have turned a corner.

[Bentley Bullet]

When Darren Ferguson publicly announces in post-match interviews that the team were poor, is he revelling in poor form?

Only if he posts it on here with an expert anaylsis on why the defeat was all down to him and why he should be sacked?

Eh?

[DonnyOsmond]

Good result today against a terrible side. Do I still want Ferguson out... yes. But it can wait for another day. Up the rovers 

Why?

[dickos1]

I think there's a difference between "pointing out the walls aren't falling in" and blind unwavering optimism.

Of course all posts are somewhere on a sliding scale, and some have been ridiculous... but is questioning some of the manager's decisions and expressing frustration at the team's capabilities not allowed?

 

I’m not sure who the question is being asked to there. Equally I don’t think this kind of exchange would ever crop up if it was merely a case of expressing frustrations or questioning the manager’s decisions on occasion.

It’s very easy to forget what a toxic environment the likes of this forum (and even moreso Facebook / Twitter) become after a bad result or two. It all goes way way over the top. And if someone has the audacity to attempt to redress the balance, they are rounded upon as if they’re a deluded fool! Personally I think the opening poster could be forgiven for questioning who the fools actually are.

It’s simply a point of fact that some posters are particularly quiet because we’ve done okay lately. Are we really to believe that the Frosts wouldn’t have been on here if, for example, we’d just lost three without scoring?

Nobody in particular.  Don't really tend to post for a response, just generally throwing ideas out there.

I agree it can be toxic, but I don't think people who post a balanced view or just their honest opinions at that point get "rounded on" particularly.  I think it's just those who won't accept anyone else's point of view, and will vehemently and pedantically argue the toss with anyone who expresses an opinion that disagrees with their worldview that everything Donny Rovers do on the pitch is bloody amazing and that the manager is untouchable no matter what happens. (Or the opposite).

I can see both sides but I don't think dickos does himself any favours getting so wrapped up in what other people think all the time. He spends so much of his time fighting petty arguments and laying into other posters that he then feels the need to justify himself when we get some results that vaguely fit in with his perspective.

I think people would rather enjoy the wins we are getting than have people trying to antagonise.  Same goes for when we get beat - yes the same old "told you so" posters will surface and that is equally as annoying when most folk would rather just chat and debate honestly about how the team has played.

Unfortunately I think it's human nature that people are quicker to jump up and complain than they are to put themselves out there when things are great.  That's one of the reasons why I am sceptical about reviews on Amazon/TripAdvisor and the like - I think people are more likely to surface and put their view forward if they've had a bad experience than a good one. Folk just like to get their complaints off their chest.  It can be annoying but I think it's just a mentality thing generally.

FWIW I have put forward frustrations and concerns about the manager and the team in the past, but equally I try to balance things up and give credit where it's due, and have never once called for the Fergie's head.  I'm just as delighted as the next Rovers supporter that we seem to have turned a corner.

I've been critical of a number of things this season, last night was the first post I've made like that. Whereas after a defeat the same people start posts every time saying Ferguson out or it's the worst performance they've ever seen.
It's also the same people who were the ones who jumped all over it last night,
I didn't mention any names but I could've put a lot of money on who the bites would come from

[esdailles left foot]

Dickos happy new year. up the rovers. ok ?

[Campsall rover]

Has peace & common sense broken out on here at last. Hallelujah.

[MachoMadness]

Pathetic thread. Dickos, do you not realise the irony in the fact that, in constantly seeking to show how much better of a fan you are than everyone else, you're one of the most negative posters on the site? Why should you want to gloat over your fellow fans when we've won? Why is your first reaction to our best run of form in ages to have a pop at other fans? Baffling.

[dickos1]

Where have I ever attempted to suggest I'm a better fan?
Do you also post like this when the negative bunch come on here after every defeat saying they told you so?
No you don't.

As Jonathon pointed out earlier I've taken stick week in week out when the side was getting beat so what's wrong in giving it back.
Only last week I was called a cretin and a cnut, just for being positive.

Didn't see you commenting then

[Jonathan]

I certainly don’t read everything on here, but I read a fair bit and consider myself generally familiar with the views Dickos puts forward. I know it can sometimes transcend into argument (an inevitability of sharing views on a forum) but essentially I see a supporter that doesn’t default to the view that we’re shit, that the manager needs sacking and that the top scorer needs flogging. And for that he seems to be labelled on here as some kind of delusional troll. It’s very strange.

We’re all entitled to our opinions and most of them on here come from a position of loving the club. But the consensus would appear to be that if you go against the grain of throwing a tantrum each time we have a setback then you must be some kind of fraud. As I said on another thread, is it really such an alien concept for a supporter of a club to want to see the best in it?

[pib]

Where have I ever attempted to suggest I'm a better fan?
Do you also post like this when the negative bunch come on here after every defeat saying they told you so?
No you don't.

As Jonathon pointed out earlier I've taken stick week in week out when the side was getting beat so what's wrong in giving it back.
Only last week I was called a cretin and a cnut, just for being positive.

Didn't see you commenting then

You don't take stick because you have a positive outlook, it's more because your tone is to sneer and look down your nose at people who disagree with you, and also because you constantly nit-pick at people's posts which gets their back up against you.

Self-inflicted. It seems that plenty of people share your positivity but they don't get the same "stick" - what's that tell you?

[MachoMadness]

Where have I ever attempted to suggest I'm a better fan?
Do you also post like this when the negative bunch come on here after every defeat saying they told you so?
No you don't.

As Jonathon pointed out earlier I've taken stick week in week out when the side was getting beat so what's wrong in giving it back.
Only last week I was called a cretin and a cnut, just for being positive.

Didn't see you commenting then

Do they say told you so though? A tiny minority of posters only seem to pop up after a defeat. Only one or two I can think of, easily ignored. You miss my point though dickos. My point is you aren't being positive at all. 90% of your posts recently aren't supporting the team, but just digging out other posters, calling them negative and condescending them when really all that's happening is people letting off steam after a frustrating defeat. You take this shit so personally.

If you're at the point where you're taking names of people who comment, or don't comment and when, you probably need to step away from the internet for a while. It isn't very positive.

[dickos1]

Where have I ever attempted to suggest I'm a better fan?
Do you also post like this when the negative bunch come on here after every defeat saying they told you so?
No you don't.

As Jonathon pointed out earlier I've taken stick week in week out when the side was getting beat so what's wrong in giving it back.
Only last week I was called a cretin and a cnut, just for being positive.

Didn't see you commenting then

You don't take stick because you have a positive outlook, it's more because your tone is to sneer and look down your nose at people who disagree with you, and also because you constantly nit-pick at people's posts which gets their back up against you.

Self-inflicted. It seems that plenty of people share your positivity but they don't get the same "stick" - what's that tell you?

Completely disagree, why am I looking down on people?
I get stick because when the negative nonsense gets posted most people ignore it, I should also. I agree.

Your post is all what I do, but if you actually read the posts it's me just giving a different view and then getting abuse.

If you read what Johnathan has put then this is exactly how I see it.

[dickos1]

Where have I ever attempted to suggest I'm a better fan?
Do you also post like this when the negative bunch come on here after every defeat saying they told you so?
No you don't.

As Jonathon pointed out earlier I've taken stick week in week out when the side was getting beat so what's wrong in giving it back.
Only last week I was called a cretin and a cnut, just for being positive.

Didn't see you commenting then

Do they say told you so though? A tiny minority of posters only seem to pop up after a defeat. Only one or two I can think of, easily ignored. You miss my point though dickos. My point is you aren't being positive at all. 90% of your posts recently aren't supporting the team, but just digging out other posters, calling them negative and condescending them when really all that's happening is people letting off steam after a frustrating defeat. You take this shit so personally.

If you're at the point where you're taking names of people who comment, or don't comment and when, you probably need to step away from the internet for a while. It isn't very positive.

This is nonsense, 90% of my posts aren't digging other people they're giving a different viewpoint. When we're losing there's not many saying anything positive and when I do I get stick.
Other than last night I hardly ever dig other people I just give a positive viewpoint rather than their negative one.
All that's happened now is we're winning and the negative chaps are saying I'm going round saying I told you so. But if you look I've never said that once

[pib]

Where have I ever attempted to suggest I'm a better fan?
Do you also post like this when the negative bunch come on here after every defeat saying they told you so?
No you don't.

As Jonathon pointed out earlier I've taken stick week in week out when the side was getting beat so what's wrong in giving it back.
Only last week I was called a cretin and a cnut, just for being positive.

Didn't see you commenting then

You don't take stick because you have a positive outlook, it's more because your tone is to sneer and look down your nose at people who disagree with you, and also because you constantly nit-pick at people's posts which gets their back up against you.

Self-inflicted. It seems that plenty of people share your positivity but they don't get the same "stick" - what's that tell you?

Completely disagree, why am I looking down on people?
I get stick because when the negative nonsense gets posted most people ignore it, I should also. I agree.

Your post is all what I do, but if you actually read the posts it's me just giving a different view and then getting abuse.

If you read what Johnathan has put then this is exactly how I see it.

Go on the "own posts" page on your profile and there's 3 or 4 just on the first page.

If you can't work it out that shows the root of the problem.

[dickos1]

I've just said other than last night,

[Copps is Magic]

This is nonsense, 90% of my posts aren't digging other people they're giving a different viewpoint.

What's the percentage?

[IDM]

Can this be moved to "Forum Issues" now??

[Copps is Magic]

Why? 'forum admin' have been liking dickos posts so apparently they're enjoying this just where it is.

Are you implying this thread is not a simple contrasting opinion on football as he claims?

[dickos1]

This is nonsense, 90% of my posts aren't digging other people they're giving a different viewpoint.

What's the percentage?

You tell me?
What's the percentage of your replies to me that aren't attempting to be condescending?

[dickos1]

Why? 'forum admin' have been liking dickos posts so apparently they're enjoying this just where it is.

Are you implying this thread is not a simple contrasting opinion on football as he claims?

Jonathan's post not mine