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Quote from: LincsRover on January 14, 2018, 01:00:46 pmThird option is they buck their ideas up, improve their decision making and stop making ridiculous, incompetent decisions! Oh, yes, sorry BST, you're right, there is no third option!! LincsKeep in mind the context of what I said last night. A L1 ref will get paid maybe £8000 a season. You can’t pay peanuts and expect to get diamonds. If clubs were that bothered, they’d up refs’ salaries to 6 figures and they’d have better candidates fighting for the roles. If clubs aren’t prepared to do that, don’t blame the refs for being (very) semi-pro in a pro game. That’s not their fault.
Third option is they buck their ideas up, improve their decision making and stop making ridiculous, incompetent decisions! Oh, yes, sorry BST, you're right, there is no third option!!
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 14, 2018, 01:16:09 pmQuote from: LincsRover on January 14, 2018, 01:00:46 pmThird option is they buck their ideas up, improve their decision making and stop making ridiculous, incompetent decisions! Oh, yes, sorry BST, you're right, there is no third option!! LincsKeep in mind the context of what I said last night. A L1 ref will get paid maybe £8000 a season. You can’t pay peanuts and expect to get diamonds. If clubs were that bothered, they’d up refs’ salaries to 6 figures and they’d have better candidates fighting for the roles. If clubs aren’t prepared to do that, don’t blame the refs for being (very) semi-pro in a pro game. That’s not their fault. The answer is make them full time.
Quote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on January 14, 2018, 01:30:05 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 14, 2018, 01:16:09 pmQuote from: LincsRover on January 14, 2018, 01:00:46 pmThird option is they buck their ideas up, improve their decision making and stop making ridiculous, incompetent decisions! Oh, yes, sorry BST, you're right, there is no third option!! LincsKeep in mind the context of what I said last night. A L1 ref will get paid maybe £8000 a season. You can’t pay peanuts and expect to get diamonds. If clubs were that bothered, they’d up refs’ salaries to 6 figures and they’d have better candidates fighting for the roles. If clubs aren’t prepared to do that, don’t blame the refs for being (very) semi-pro in a pro game. That’s not their fault. The answer is make them full time.Grand. So someone has to pay for it. I assume clubs will be falling over themselves to put their hands in their pockets.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 14, 2018, 01:49:34 pmQuote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on January 14, 2018, 01:30:05 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 14, 2018, 01:16:09 pmQuote from: LincsRover on January 14, 2018, 01:00:46 pmThird option is they buck their ideas up, improve their decision making and stop making ridiculous, incompetent decisions! Oh, yes, sorry BST, you're right, there is no third option!! LincsKeep in mind the context of what I said last night. A L1 ref will get paid maybe £8000 a season. You can’t pay peanuts and expect to get diamonds. If clubs were that bothered, they’d up refs’ salaries to 6 figures and they’d have better candidates fighting for the roles. If clubs aren’t prepared to do that, don’t blame the refs for being (very) semi-pro in a pro game. That’s not their fault. The answer is make them full time.Grand. So someone has to pay for it. I assume clubs will be falling over themselves to put their hands in their pockets.Surely they would be fine with it if it guarantees a better standard of refereeing.
Quote from: DonnyOsmond on January 14, 2018, 02:37:52 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 14, 2018, 01:49:34 pmQuote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on January 14, 2018, 01:30:05 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 14, 2018, 01:16:09 pmQuote from: LincsRover on January 14, 2018, 01:00:46 pmThird option is they buck their ideas up, improve their decision making and stop making ridiculous, incompetent decisions! Oh, yes, sorry BST, you're right, there is no third option!! LincsKeep in mind the context of what I said last night. A L1 ref will get paid maybe £8000 a season. You can’t pay peanuts and expect to get diamonds. If clubs were that bothered, they’d up refs’ salaries to 6 figures and they’d have better candidates fighting for the roles. If clubs aren’t prepared to do that, don’t blame the refs for being (very) semi-pro in a pro game. That’s not their fault. The answer is make them full time.Grand. So someone has to pay for it. I assume clubs will be falling over themselves to put their hands in their pockets.Surely they would be fine with it if it guarantees a better standard of refereeing.You’d think so wouldn’t you? And yet they haven’t addressed it over all these years. Maybe the clubs and the League realise that honest errors tend to even out over time, so mistakes by the officials are something that you should just take on the chin?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 14, 2018, 02:47:34 pmQuote from: DonnyOsmond on January 14, 2018, 02:37:52 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 14, 2018, 01:49:34 pmQuote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on January 14, 2018, 01:30:05 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 14, 2018, 01:16:09 pmQuote from: LincsRover on January 14, 2018, 01:00:46 pmThird option is they buck their ideas up, improve their decision making and stop making ridiculous, incompetent decisions! Oh, yes, sorry BST, you're right, there is no third option!! LincsKeep in mind the context of what I said last night. A L1 ref will get paid maybe £8000 a season. You can’t pay peanuts and expect to get diamonds. If clubs were that bothered, they’d up refs’ salaries to 6 figures and they’d have better candidates fighting for the roles. If clubs aren’t prepared to do that, don’t blame the refs for being (very) semi-pro in a pro game. That’s not their fault. The answer is make them full time.Grand. So someone has to pay for it. I assume clubs will be falling over themselves to put their hands in their pockets.Surely they would be fine with it if it guarantees a better standard of refereeing.You’d think so wouldn’t you? And yet they haven’t addressed it over all these years. Maybe the clubs and the League realise that honest errors tend to even out over time, so mistakes by the officials are something that you should just take on the chin?But if you can improve them so there's less errors?
Well, here’s my take. 1) Referees are fallible but fundamentally honest, in which case we’ve nothing to worry about. Yes we’ve had some bad decisions over the past couple of games but these even out over time (how many penalties have we won through Tommy Rowe diving?)2) Referees bear grudges and will punish us for Ferguson’s remarks. In which case, Ferguson was stupid to say them. Not sure there’s a third option.
Quote from: DonnyOsmond on January 14, 2018, 03:01:28 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 14, 2018, 02:47:34 pmQuote from: DonnyOsmond on January 14, 2018, 02:37:52 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 14, 2018, 01:49:34 pmQuote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on January 14, 2018, 01:30:05 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 14, 2018, 01:16:09 pmQuote from: LincsRover on January 14, 2018, 01:00:46 pmThird option is they buck their ideas up, improve their decision making and stop making ridiculous, incompetent decisions! Oh, yes, sorry BST, you're right, there is no third option!! LincsKeep in mind the context of what I said last night. A L1 ref will get paid maybe £8000 a season. You can’t pay peanuts and expect to get diamonds. If clubs were that bothered, they’d up refs’ salaries to 6 figures and they’d have better candidates fighting for the roles. If clubs aren’t prepared to do that, don’t blame the refs for being (very) semi-pro in a pro game. That’s not their fault. The answer is make them full time.Grand. So someone has to pay for it. I assume clubs will be falling over themselves to put their hands in their pockets.Surely they would be fine with it if it guarantees a better standard of refereeing.You’d think so wouldn’t you? And yet they haven’t addressed it over all these years. Maybe the clubs and the League realise that honest errors tend to even out over time, so mistakes by the officials are something that you should just take on the chin?But if you can improve them so there's less errors?Aye. Then, like I said, you wonder why the League don’t pay the refs more. Last year, Premier League refs were paid £45k per year. A bit of perspective: Paul Pogba earns that amount every 22 hours. If you are complicit in that system, you can’t really vitriolically criticise referees and retain any self-respect.
Quotes from the Plymouth forum also slating fergie for being son of fergie (brings ploppy to mind from blackadder!), and for "winging & whining, rovers fans for thinking we are bigger/better than we are & for the way we treated murderer McCormick last year, and rovers players for being thugs. Any small respect I had for their travelling brigade completely gone thanks to their keyboard warrior w*nkers!! I hope they go down!
Quotes from the Plymouth manager Derrick Adams in the F.L. paper, the referee had a good game and was excellent,the officials were very good,and got the penalty decision right. In the same article their ratings were,Houghton 5, Kongolo 5, May 6, I don't think they were at the same game as me.
The FA has the cash so spend it...
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 14, 2018, 12:56:51 pmWell, here’s my take. 1) Referees are fallible but fundamentally honest, in which case we’ve nothing to worry about. Yes we’ve had some bad decisions over the past couple of games but these even out over time (how many penalties have we won through Tommy Rowe diving?)2) Referees bear grudges and will punish us for Ferguson’s remarks. In which case, Ferguson was stupid to say them. Not sure there’s a third option.So how many pens have we won through Rowe diving?Genuine question BST.
Quote from: drfchound on January 14, 2018, 05:15:27 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 14, 2018, 12:56:51 pmWell, here’s my take. 1) Referees are fallible but fundamentally honest, in which case we’ve nothing to worry about. Yes we’ve had some bad decisions over the past couple of games but these even out over time (how many penalties have we won through Tommy Rowe diving?)2) Referees bear grudges and will punish us for Ferguson’s remarks. In which case, Ferguson was stupid to say them. Not sure there’s a third option.So how many pens have we won through Rowe diving?Genuine question BST.There’s one at 1:32 here for a start. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dZlizRWyGzII was about 10 yards from it. It was a dive. If you’re prepared to accept mistakes like this from the ref when they go our way (and regularly say that you want our players to be even better than this at deceiving the ref, as some do in here), it’s a bit rich complaining when refs get calls wrong against us.
Here's another question:How many penalties have referees not given on Tommy Rowe because they thought he was diving, when he wasn't?
RAYou reckon Ferguson is right to say that he would shoot refs and that he should only get a slap on the wrist then we have different standards. If I were the club owner, I’d tell him to call a press conference tomorrow and apologise unreservedly, or I would sack him.