Aleksander NEKRASSOV

[Sprotyrover]

Just been on the BBC and made some valid points:
The inventor of the Novichok virus has lived in the USA since 1996!
Why is the leader of the UK opposition not condemning Russa
Murdering ex spies subject of Prisoner exchanges serves no purpose whatsoever to the process and discredits the involved country.

[hoolahoop]

Just been on the BBC and made some valid points:
The inventor of the Novichok virus has lived in the USA since 1996!
Why is the leader of the UK opposition not condemning Russa
Murdering ex spies subject of Prisoner exchanges serves no purpose whatsoever to the process and discredits the involved country.

Exactly so why would Putin order this particular killing just a week prior to an election he is certain to win ? Yes I know he doesn't like traitors and has oft been quoted on that but the economy is weak, Syrian/ Eastern Ukrainian  involvement is taxing the nation's finances further and Russian sympathies on the international stage are probably at their lowest point for decades.

They can't even compete as Olympians under their own flag currently, how will this help him and a World Cup around the corner ?

We know he is a proud almost omnipotent presence in Russia , why make further difficulties for himself .....unless of course he feels weaker somehow internally and has enemies that he wants to close in on even further using the pretext that Russia is " even further " under siege ? The nation closes ranks even further around him and hey presto any opposition is exstinguished . I know it's a daft theory but consider just for one minute , could he be under pressure ?

[DonnyOsmond]

Just been on the BBC and made some valid points:
The inventor of the Novichok virus has lived in the USA since 1996!
Why is the leader of the UK opposition not condemning Russa
Murdering ex spies subject of Prisoner exchanges serves no purpose whatsoever to the process and discredits the involved country.

Probably not condemning them yet as there has been no official proof that it was Russia, its just assumptions at the moment, he was an ex spy and it's a Russian nerve agent but we could give the samples to be checked first off, as you yourself has said the inventor is in America so the knowledge of production isn't exclusively in Russia now, is it?

[Sprotyrover]

Just been on the BBC and made some valid points:
The inventor of the Novichok virus has lived in the USA since 1996!
Why is the leader of the UK opposition not condemning Russa
Murdering ex spies subject of Prisoner exchanges serves no purpose whatsoever to the process and discredits the involved country.

I mentioned in another thread that the Novichok virus was invented in the Soviet Union an besides Russia, Belarus,The Ukraine and Khazakstan all had a supply, which was allledegdly returned to Russia and destroyed,I wouldn't be surprised if half the Security networks on the planet haven't got their Hans on some.
Probably not condemning them yet as there has been no official proof that it was Russia, its just assumptions at the moment, he was an ex spy and it's a Russian nerve agent but we could give the samples to be checked first off, as you yourself has said the inventor is in America so the knowledge of production isn't exclusively in Russia now, is it?

[Copps is Magic]

Corbyn has 'condemned' Russia. Look, he even uses the word condemn.

The attack in Salisbury was an appalling act of violence, which we condemn in the strongest terms.

Nerve agents are abominable if used in war. It is utterly reckless for them to be used in a civilian environment.

The Prime Minister said on Monday and again today that Russia was either directly responsible or it was culpable because it lost control of this nerve agent.

The Russian authorities must be held to account on the basis of the evidence and our response must be both decisive and proportionate.

The attack in Britain has concerned our allies in the European Union, Nato and in the United Nations, and their words of solidarity have strengthened our position diplomatically.

We have a duty to speak out against the abuse of human rights by Putin’s Government and its support, both at home and abroad, and pay tribute to the many campaigners in Russia for human rights. And we must do more to address the dangers posed by the Russian state’s relationship with unofficial mafia-like groups and corrupt oligarchs.

We need to expose the flows of ill-gotten cash between the Russian state and billionaires who became stupendously rich by looting their country and subsequently using London to protect their wealth. We welcome the Prime Minister’s clear commitment today to support the Magnitsky amendments to sanction human rights abusers, as we have long been calling for.

Britain should build an international consensus to strengthen the chemical weapons convention, and ensure that such a horrific attack never happens again.

His initial response actually got a lot of credit from a lot of people if you care to read up on it. Including from the right-wing spectator.

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/03/jeremy-corbyn-is-right-about-russia/

[BillyStubbsTears]

Copps. Read the very text that you have posted. Nowhere does Corbyn condemn Russia over the attack. It’s a bizarre reading from a smart bloke like you to read that into those words.

He condemns THE ATTACK. He very carefully and obviously refuses to agree with the argument that Russia was responsible. That same night, his spin doctor, Seamus Milne was even more explicit in questioning whether Russia was responsible. But then Milne has a very long track record of downplaying Russian aggression because it diverts from the story that he wants to prioritise - that the world’s ills are primarily driven by the USA.

[Sprotyrover]

Copps. Read the very text that you have posted. Nowhere does Corbyn condemn Russia over the attack. It’s a bizarre reading from a smart bloke like you to read that into those words.

He condemns THE ATTACK. He very carefully and obviously refuses to agree with the argument that Russia was responsible. That same night, his spin doctor, Seamus Milne was even more explicit in questioning whether Russia was responsible. But then Milne has a very long track record of downplaying Russian aggression because it diverts from the story that he wants to prioritise - that the world’s ills are primarily driven by the USA.

He didn't exactly espouse Putins regime though

[hoolahoop]

Copps. Read the very text that you have posted. Nowhere does Corbyn condemn Russia over the attack. It’s a bizarre reading from a smart bloke like you to read that into those words.

He condemns THE ATTACK. He very carefully and obviously refuses to agree with the argument that Russia was responsible. That same night, his spin doctor, Seamus Milne was even more explicit in questioning whether Russia was responsible. But then Milne has a very long track record of downplaying Russian aggression because it diverts from the story that he wants to prioritise - that the world’s ills are primarily driven by the USA.

He didn't exactly espouse Putins regime though

He does not condemn Russia and Putin the man at the top where the buck stops . In any scenario Putin and Russia are guilty . Either by directly or indirectly allowing this  THEIR " warfare grade" nerve agent!
to even still exist never mind being used .

[GazLaz]

I said from day one, there is as much chancectgat we killed the Russian as the Russians did.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Corbyn has 'condemned' Russia. Look, he even uses the word condemn.

The attack in Salisbury was an appalling act of violence, which we condemn in the strongest terms.

Nerve agents are abominable if used in war. It is utterly reckless for them to be used in a civilian environment.

The Prime Minister said on Monday and again today that Russia was either directly responsible or it was culpable because it lost control of this nerve agent.

The Russian authorities must be held to account on the basis of the evidence and our response must be both decisive and proportionate.

The attack in Britain has concerned our allies in the European Union, Nato and in the United Nations, and their words of solidarity have strengthened our position diplomatically.

We have a duty to speak out against the abuse of human rights by Putin’s Government and its support, both at home and abroad, and pay tribute to the many campaigners in Russia for human rights. And we must do more to address the dangers posed by the Russian state’s relationship with unofficial mafia-like groups and corrupt oligarchs.

We need to expose the flows of ill-gotten cash between the Russian state and billionaires who became stupendously rich by looting their country and subsequently using London to protect their wealth. We welcome the Prime Minister’s clear commitment today to support the Magnitsky amendments to sanction human rights abusers, as we have long been calling for.

Britain should build an international consensus to strengthen the chemical weapons convention, and ensure that such a horrific attack never happens again.

His initial response actually got a lot of credit from a lot of people if you care to read up on it. Including from the right-wing spectator.

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/03/jeremy-corbyn-is-right-about-russia/

Interesting choice of an authority you’re linking to their Copps.

You’d do well to read around Melanie McDonagh’s other writings on gay rights, women’s rights, Islam etc before you blunder into quoting her for supporting yer man. You might piece together a reason why she doesn’t want to see anyone taking on Putin.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Well, McDonnell has finally clarified Labour’s position and it’s refreshing to hear.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-politics-43448563

Mr McDonnell told ITV's Peston's on Sunday: "I agree completely with the prime minister.

"What she's said is that Russia is culpable, either by direct commission - either [President] Putin's ordered this - or they've lost control of their supplies."

He added: "There's a pattern of people being murdered here, therefore it leads you to the conclusion that Putin has questions to answer, because this is highly likely this could have been a state execution."

Simple. Straightforward. Unambiguous.

That is PRECISELY what Corbyn should have said last Monday and last Wednesday and PRECISELY what he took great pains to avoid saying.

There’s a pattern here. Labour ought to have a very powerful message on foreign policy. Corbyn ought to reap big benefits from having been so staunchly opposed to the Iraq catastrophe. But every single time we get onto foreign policy issues, he makes the story about himself - his and Milne’s obsessive anti-Americanism means that he can’t shut these issues down. Every topic has to be viewed through that prism.

So, when Putin is giving cover to Assad to gas and barrel bomb his own people, the line from the Leader of the Opposition is not flat, outright opposition. It is “The focus on Russian atrocities or Syrian army atrocities I think sometimes diverts attention from other atrocities that are taking place.

“Independent assessments are that there have been very large scale civilian casualties as a result of the US-led coalition bombing. There are several cases of large numbers of civilian deaths in single attacks.

“And there hasn’t been as so much attention on those atrocities or those casualties. And both the United States and British Governments have been reluctant to accept any independent assessment of what’s taken place as a result of those campaigns.”

(Seamus Milne, October 2016).

Milne and Corbyn have this British Left generations-old approach that the USA is the real foreign enemy. And the logical conclusion is that the enemy of my enemy (Putin) should not be condemned and attacked.

See it through that lens and Corbyn’s verbal contortions are logical. At least McDonnell is showing that there’s someone near the top of the Labour Party who has the common sense to step outside of the self-policing left wing thought bubble on foreign affairs.