Australians caught ball tampering

[ravenrover]

how many actually believe the punishment from Cricket Australia will be anything more than a reprimand and a couple of games ban? Half the team should be in it right up to their necks but Smith and Warner will be the only two senior players to be brought to book JMHO

[hoolahoop]

No I think you will be surprised the Aussies are embarrassed.

[wing commander]

   Smith and Warner should be stripped and banned by the Australians and for once I think they might be..However for me the ICC punishment is as much a talking point here..Your match fee and a one test ban is not sending out the required message that this is not acceptable is it....

[The Red Baron]

   Smith and Warner should be stripped and banned by the Australians and for once I think they might be..However for me the ICC punishment is as much a talking point here..Your match fee and a one test ban is not sending out the required message that this is not acceptable is it....

The problem is that as far as the ICC is concerned ball-tampering is not considered the most serious type of offence. It is considered no worse than a bad case of verbal abuse, ie a Level 2.

Clearly this incident shows that the ICC needs to change its code of conduct and penalties.

[Filo]

To salvage any credibility Cricket Australia need to ban anyone involved for a lengthy period, make an example of them. Personally I would give David Warner a lifetime ban, just for being David Warner

[Bollinger]

To salvage any credibility Cricket Australia need to ban anyone involved for a lengthy period, make an example of them. Personally I would give David Warner a lifetime ban, just for being David Warner

I'm with you on that. Not sure if someone mentioned it here or not but it's a fact that if something bad happens on or off the pitch Warner is usually right in the middle of it.

I got lucky a few years ago and got the chance to see Border, Boon, Hughes etc close up over the course of a few days. They were flinty and hard as nails but seemed decent enough and knew where to draw the line. Warner, however, is an absolute scumbag.

[wing commander]

   it's been going on for years,some of the old Indian and Pakistan teams were masters of it.The difference is these days the tv cameras follow your every move in close up hd..I cant get my head round how they thought they would get away with it..
   Warner,Smith and Lehman have to go,its really that simple as any other action will bring the credibility of test cricket into serious question..The icc need, as somebody said to completely overhaul there code of conduct...One or two others in that team are also guilty imo...
   Still some of our bowlers could use a tin of pledge and a sanding disc and still struggle to reverse it..lol

[RedJ]

Personally I would give David Warner a lifetime ban, just for being David Warner

If they didn't do that to Ricky Ponting they're not going to do it to anyone.

[Highland Rover]

 According to the latest SSN , the Australian squad have asked for David Warner to be removed from the team hotel before there's an ' incident ' . Read into that  what you may

[The Red Baron]

Perhaps now is a good time to tell the story of when I witnessed the results of a particularly gratuitous example of ball tampering.

Warwickshire v Sussex 1983. The game was going nowhere on the last day with Warwickshire seemingly batting for a draw. Imran Khan of Sussex had been injured and was playing as a batsman so it was a surprise when he came on to bowl. Within the space of five overs he'd taken six wickets for six runs including a hat-trick. It was an amazing spell of bowling on what was a slow pitch.

Many years later Imran admitted that he had gouged the ball with a bottle top and was surprised how much he got it to swing. He'd been taught the trick by a senior Pakistan bowler. In those days no-one was really looking out for ball tampering and the match in question wasn't televised.

Ironically Imran's actions probably lost his team the game. Warwickshire's spinners got to work and bowled Sussex out. A dull day was transformed into a fascinating one.

Now I'm not for a minute advocating ball tampering, rather pointing out how spectacular the results can be.

[selby]

  Warner is finished, he will be lucky to play top class cricket again. Smith too possibly.

[Draytonian III]

Lipsill is the best thing for shining the ball up, also bowlers tend to have long thumb nails . The bottle top thing is as old as the hills

[selby]

  Just ask another Ausie what is the best thing to shine a ball, I am sure Massie would be forthcoming.

[Colemans Left Hook]

Sithe .. Can anyone remember Fred Trueman had dark hair and always had loads of brylcream on ... strangely always had this habit of putting his right hand not his left (wonder why) through his hair whilst preparing to bowl sussed it out in the test matches on tv well before he got to was it 311 test wickets

the world just accepted that as gamemanship ??

a good nickname for him would be  Arthur as in which half are you shining
 

[Filo]

Warner, Smith and Bancroft, sent home with significant sanctions to follow in the next 24 hours

[ravenrover]

kop out, senior management group consists of 2 players, Lehman unaware, there are pigs on my roof!

[Filo]

kop out, senior management group consists of 2 players, Lehman unaware, there are pigs on my roof!

Don't forget the bowlers, they were bowling with a ball tampered by an opening batsman, how did they not know. Also what did the 12th man say to Bancroft after being sent out there by Lehman, they must think everyone is stupid

[Draytonian III]

Lump your money on South Africa winning the next text,even the odds are 1/3 , Bancroft,Warner and Smith sent home , 3 out of the top 4 in the order. Pinching money 💰

[drfchound]

Sithe .. Can anyone remember Fred Trueman had dark hair and always had loads of brylcream on ... strangely always had this habit of putting his right hand not his left (wonder why) through his hair whilst preparing to bowl sussed it out in the test matches on tv well before he got to was it 311 test wickets

the world just accepted that as gamemanship ??

a good nickname for him would be  Arthur as in which half are you shining
 

Who doesn’t straighten their hair with their right hand?

[hoolahoop]

Sithe .. Can anyone remember Fred Trueman had dark hair and always had loads of brylcream on ... strangely always had this habit of putting his right hand not his left (wonder why) through his hair whilst preparing to bowl sussed it out in the test matches on tv well before he got to was it 311 test wickets

the world just accepted that as gamemanship ??

a good nickname for him would be  Arthur as in which half are you shining
 

Who doesn’t straighten their hair with their right hand?

Especially a right- handed player , sorry won't have a word said about a fellow Yorkshireman, especially this great one .

[glosterred]

Warner and Smith banned for a year, Bancroft 9 months. I bet they’ll lose out financially as well once the sponsors start leaving the sinking ship

[The Red Baron]

Warner and Smith banned for a year, Bancroft 9 months. I bet they’ll lose out financially as well once the sponsors start leaving the sinking ship

I think the whole point of those serious sanctions is to keep sponsors onside. Smith and Warner have also had their IPL contracts torn up.

[wing commander]

   I just cant help thinking that the Australians have been very smart here...They have hit the 3 players hard no doubt at an attempt to bring the situation to a swift end with the media,sponsors all happy they have been heavily punished..
   However I don't for one minute believe that nobody else was involved..The bowlers control the ball and decide how they want it worked on by the designated ball polisher based on the conditions..
   You are not telling me the bowlers did not realise for one minute that the ball they got back after Bancroft had worked on it was suddenly roughed up after a sandpapering...
    Not sure about the coach,but whether he knew or not he is responsible for the team and the buck should stop with him...
    What will be interesting is to see the next squad they pick after this series..Wouldn't shock me if one or two players disappeared out the squad...

[wing commander]

   As for Warner he wont play test cricket again regardless of the ban..He was obviously the main culprit in all this..The innocent Aussie players are obvious furious about this and who can blame them..They have now been labelled cheats by proxy and to a professional sportsmen that must hurt deep...He's lucky he got to the airport in one piece..There would be a revolt if his name appeared in a squad in the future..

[glosterred]

I find it difficult to believe that not one of the quick bowlers who were getting all the swing and reverse swing didn’t know that the ball was being tampered with. Fishy or what!

[idler]

Declare the test null and void and replay it. The Aussies wouldn't dare tamper with the ball and any Aussie bowler would see his wicket haul for the test expunged from the records.
That would send out a proper message

[Filo]

I can't believe Lehmann knew nothing about it, Bancfoft is contracted to play County Cricket this summer, surely he's not going to be allowed now?

[drfchound]

I find it difficult to believe that not one of the quick bowlers who were getting all the swing and reverse swing didn’t know that the ball was being tampered with. Fishy or what!

Totally agree.
They all examine the ball before every delivery.

[NickDRFC]

Declare the test null and void and replay it. The Aussies wouldn't dare tamper with the ball and any Aussie bowler would see his wicket haul for the test expunged from the records.
That would send out a proper message

Australia lost the test despite the ball tampering; not sure you'd get South Africa to agree to a replayed test!

[Filo]

Nicked from twitter

It’s Mitchell Starc I feel sorry for because according to @CricketAus it was only 3 batsmen who knew about the ball tampering designed to help the bowling attack. Poor f**ker has genuinely believed he’s Wasim Akram all this time........