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If Wigan and Blackburn were to finish first or second in L1 every season I think it would be very predictable.Why wouldn’t it be?
With the amount of money Wigan lose every year Dickos, if it had not been for the Whelan family they would be back in non league, which may happen in the next ten years, if the current owners are not as committed.
Quote from: drfchound on April 02, 2018, 09:03:42 amIf Wigan and Blackburn were to finish first or second in L1 every season I think it would be very predictable.Why wouldn’t it be?I didn’t say the top 2 every year but they’d be up near the top of the league. But that doesn’t mean the league is predictable, look at Shrewsbury, look at bury, look at Plymouth. Just because a couple of sides are doing well like they should be it’s daft to say the whole league is predictable. Simailar to the premier league,
The top 3 or 4 can be predicted but if you stopped promotion out of our league then Blackburn and Wigan would finish at the top every season also. Doesn’t mean the league is predictable.Look at Burnley, Bournemouth, Watford. There’s around 7/8 sides in the prem at the minute who’ve been promoted there in the last 4/5 years and none of them are in the relegation zone
Your argument was the premier league is very predictable, but in reality it isn't. Not many would've predicted Burnley and Bournemouth to be in the top ten, or none of the promoted sides to be in the relegation zone, or Man City to be 16 points clear and last years champions to be 8 points off the top 4. And it's not just this season,
Dickos Aye. But I wouldn’t have given you long odds on the sides comprising the top 6. Year after year after stupendously boring year.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 03, 2018, 10:17:07 amDickos Aye. But I wouldn’t have given you long odds on the sides comprising the top 6. Year after year after stupendously boring year. It’s not year after year though.Last few years qualifying for Europe you’ve had in addition to this years top 6.West Ham EvertonSouthampton Newcastle Aston Villa Leicester
Quote from: dickos1 on April 03, 2018, 12:38:01 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 03, 2018, 10:17:07 amDickos Aye. But I wouldn’t have given you long odds on the sides comprising the top 6. Year after year after stupendously boring year. It’s not year after year though.Last few years qualifying for Europe you’ve had in addition to this years top 6.West Ham EvertonSouthampton Newcastle Aston Villa LeicesterSo not in the top six then which is the point under discussion.
Quote from: dickos1 on April 03, 2018, 12:38:01 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 03, 2018, 10:17:07 amDickos Aye. But I wouldn’t have given you long odds on the sides comprising the top 6. Year after year after stupendously boring year. It’s not year after year though.Last few years qualifying for Europe you’ve had in addition to this years top 6.West Ham EvertonSouthampton Newcastle Aston Villa Leicester Dickos. See my post above. In the last 10 season’s, these are the sides that have filled too 6 places. Arsenal 10 times Man C 9 Man U 9Spurs 9Chelsea 9Liverpool 6Everton 3Villa 2Leicester 1Southampton 1Newcastle 1In the ten years before the PL started, the figures were 19 different clubs who made the top 6. Only Liverpool featured every year. The next best were Arsenal and Man U on 7, then Spurs & Everton on 5, Forest on 4. Others who made it included:Sheff WedsLeedsMan CPalaceVillaChelseaNorwichDerbyQPRWimbledonWest HamSouthamptonWatford. THAT was a competitive league. The current one has had most competition throttled out of it because the key result is that the money men see their clubs succeed.
Scotland had Celtic and Rangers. France have PSG and formerly Lyon. Portugal is Benfica and Porto. Spain has always been Madrid and Barca. Holland has always been Ajax and PSV. Italy was always Milan and Juventus. The fact is almost every other top league is the same, just on a different scale. It isn’t often another team in those leagues win their league. Success breeds more investment and the best players want to play for the most successful clubs. There isn’t a player in the world who doesn’t want to play for the best teams. Just like in the real world the most employable get the best paid jobs in their sector. It does kill off competition for other clubs. Which is unfortunate - much the same as corporations limit small businesses potential. But i do enjoy watching the creme de la creme going head to head because some beautiful football is there to be seen.However I feel slightly sorry for the super rich who can have whatever whenever. They never get to feel the happiness the everyday man does when they can finally afford to take their family on that dream holiday or buy that car they always hoped they would own. The years of shit for those magical days when it is finally your turn, like the Britannia, the millennium stadium and Wembley make supporting a club like ours worth it and extra special.
Quote from: boro_rover on April 01, 2018, 11:15:14 pmScotland had Celtic and Rangers. France have PSG and formerly Lyon. Portugal is Benfica and Porto. Spain has always been Madrid and Barca. Holland has always been Ajax and PSV. Italy was always Milan and Juventus. The fact is almost every other top league is the same, just on a different scale. It isn’t often another team in those leagues win their league. Success breeds more investment and the best players want to play for the most successful clubs. There isn’t a player in the world who doesn’t want to play for the best teams. Just like in the real world the most employable get the best paid jobs in their sector. It does kill off competition for other clubs. Which is unfortunate - much the same as corporations limit small businesses potential. But i do enjoy watching the creme de la creme going head to head because some beautiful football is there to be seen.However I feel slightly sorry for the super rich who can have whatever whenever. They never get to feel the happiness the everyday man does when they can finally afford to take their family on that dream holiday or buy that car they always hoped they would own. The years of shit for those magical days when it is finally your turn, like the Britannia, the millennium stadium and Wembley make supporting a club like ours worth it and extra special.Just a quibbleIn the Eredivisie it tends to be Ajax PSV and Feyenoord who won it last season
DickosYou’re more missing the point. The top division in England used to be the most competitive in the world. Frequently, clubs with a brilliant manager or with the good fortune to develop star players could burst into the top end of the table. Pretty much every year a club like Forest or Derby or Sheff W or Norwich or Watford or Wimbledon or Palace or QPR or Ipswich would emerge out of the pack and threaten the top of the table. That is now much, much rarer. 23 of the 25 PL titles have been won by just four clubs. You have to go back 21 years for the last time that a club outside the Big 6 finished second. If you’re happy with that then grand. Me, it bores me shitless.