Leaving the EU (I never use the B word if I can avoid it)

[Glyn_Wigley]

I agree with most of that but is it Farage's fault that it will continue after Brexit? Didn't he want an Australian style immigrant selection process?

Didn't he also say 80 million Turks were queuing up to enter Britain?

[bobjimwilly]

I agree with most of that but is it Farage's fault that it will continue after Brexit? Didn't he want an Australian style immigrant selection process?

He did but I personally wouldn't agree with that system anyway. Many of the argument against immigration from EU countries were either fabricated or made out to be worse than they are. The argument was made that immigration is the cause of no jobs, too many kids in schools, immigrants flooding our hospitals, immigrants all claiming maximum benefits etc etc, when all of it is bullsh*t. There are obviously problems in certains parts of the country, but that should and can be handled by local councils and local policies customised to the needs of the local economy i.e. just because we had a problem with Romanian immigrants in Doncaster does not mean we should kick out all romanians from the entire country!

[Bentley Bullet]

Did Farage want all immigrants out or just the problem ones?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Who knows what he was wanting when he unveiled this poster?



Whatever it was, there was no mention of immigration selection processes. By which I mean that it wasn't a poster that was designed to encourage a sensible debate on the pros and cons of immigration, was it?

[Bentley Bullet]

Wasn't that his vision of what would happen in a few years with the common asylum policy?

[BillyStubbsTears]

I’ve no idea. You tell me. I don’t really set much store by the predictions and comments that Farage made during the campaign.

He campaigned on the “fact” that we pay £350m/week to the EU. We don’t.

He predicted that 80 million Turks would get the right to move to the U.K.  They won’t.

He said that we should look at Norway as an example of a successful country outside the EU. Ignoring the fact that they are in the SM and accept freedom of movement.

[hoolahoop]

Currently running  :-

Remain..........32
Leave ............24

Surprising me so far,   however those that have either changed their mind or are minded to vote this time virtually cancel each other out . Despite the way  Brexit is going seems locally many would still ìbe happy with a potential cliff edge.

[Bentley Bullet]

Using the logical assumption that this poll is based on readers of this thread only, it suggests so far, despite the posts being largely in support of remaining, their efforts have failed to prevent two and a half times more people changing their mind in favour of leaving than have gone in favour of remaining.

It seems the outcome is greatly dependent on the new voters to make up the deficit.

[SydneyRover]

A point on the Australian solution to immigration.

The lnp government is a coalition of right wing liberals and further the right National party.

The lnp is wholeheartedly supported by the majority of the media which is centre right or right wing and mostly Murdoch owned.

Deaths at sea is used by the lnp as an excuse to stop the boats when really its dog whistling to the many racists that hide behind this policy. Labor voters would prefer not to torture people in off shore concetration camps and are in a moral dilemma over this issue. Labor cannot now be seen to be weak (or dont have the guts) as they know if they opt to make this an election issue they will be crucified by the media and lose. Media diversity is a massive problem in Australia and the lnp relaxed the laws about media concentration last year knowing that this will benefit them as seen today as an entertainment company launched a takeover for an established news company which will see it obliterated in a mountain of clickbait.

[DonnyOsmond]

Surprised more people would switch to Leave over Remain.

[SydneyRover]

I dont think they have?

[DonnyOsmond]

In the poll. 5 would switch Remain > Leave. Only 3 would switch Leave > Remain.

[Axholme Lion]

I voted leave.
I voted  leave to leave, not to remain in, in a watered down membership.
What is there not to understand? If I say I am leaving the house, I leave. I do not go out but say I may just stay in a little bit.
May is a traitor as well as being useless. Sack her off and get Rees Mogg in for a no deal Brexit.

[MachoMadness]

If I say I am leaving the house, I leave. I do not go out but say I may just stay in a little bit.

When do you leave? Where are you going? How do you get there? Walking? Driving? Bus? How are you getting back? What will you wear? Are you getting food out or having tea at home? Are you going alone or not? What's the weather like, do you need a coat?

That metaphor is actually perfect because, just like Brexit, there are a million and one possibilities that you can take from "leaving the house". It's far too vague a statement to be summed up with a yes or no answer. Before you leave the house, you know where you're going and what you're doing. Brexit is like leaving the house because you've been told there's free beer at the pub, only to get there and find the prices have been hiked and there's a fiver door fee now as well. And they only serve Carling.

[Bentley Bullet]

And they only serve Carling? Maybe they admired the way he wound up folk on here.

[Axholme Lion]

If I say I am leaving the house, I leave. I do not go out but say I may just stay in a little bit.

When do you leave? Where are you going? How do you get there? Walking? Driving? Bus? How are you getting back? What will you wear? Are you getting food out or having tea at home? Are you going alone or not? What's the weather like, do you need a coat?

That metaphor is actually perfect because, just like Brexit, there are a million and one possibilities that you can take from "leaving the house". It's far too vague a statement to be summed up with a yes or no answer. Before you leave the house, you know where you're going and what you're doing. Brexit is like leaving the house because you've been told there's free beer at the pub, only to get there and find the prices have been hiked and there's a fiver door fee now as well. And they only serve Carling.

The question was leave or remain. Leave won, so the anti-democracy remainiacs need to get over it, shut up and deal with it. Out is out!

[MachoMadness]

If I say I am leaving the house, I leave. I do not go out but say I may just stay in a little bit.

When do you leave? Where are you going? How do you get there? Walking? Driving? Bus? How are you getting back? What will you wear? Are you getting food out or having tea at home? Are you going alone or not? What's the weather like, do you need a coat?

That metaphor is actually perfect because, just like Brexit, there are a million and one possibilities that you can take from "leaving the house". It's far too vague a statement to be summed up with a yes or no answer. Before you leave the house, you know where you're going and what you're doing. Brexit is like leaving the house because you've been told there's free beer at the pub, only to get there and find the prices have been hiked and there's a fiver door fee now as well. And they only serve Carling.

The question was leave or remain. Leave won, so the anti-democracy remainiacs need to get over it, shut up and deal with it. Out is out!

Remainiacs! I like that one. Marks for originality at least. I think what is more anti-democracy is bending over for Russia, offshore millionaires, and rich Tory politicians who want to become PM, and selling out your country just so you can thumb your nose at people and go "ner ner, we won, you lost, get over it". Swings and roundabouts innit.

[Bentley Bullet]

https://youtu.be/O_pUgkECn9s

[DonnyOsmond]

If I say I am leaving the house, I leave. I do not go out but say I may just stay in a little bit.

When do you leave? Where are you going? How do you get there? Walking? Driving? Bus? How are you getting back? What will you wear? Are you getting food out or having tea at home? Are you going alone or not? What's the weather like, do you need a coat?

That metaphor is actually perfect because, just like Brexit, there are a million and one possibilities that you can take from "leaving the house". It's far too vague a statement to be summed up with a yes or no answer. Before you leave the house, you know where you're going and what you're doing. Brexit is like leaving the house because you've been told there's free beer at the pub, only to get there and find the prices have been hiked and there's a fiver door fee now as well. And they only serve Carling.

The question was leave or remain. Leave won, so the anti-democracy remainiacs need to get over it, shut up and deal with it. Out is out!

But there's different kind of outs we can take.

[BillyStubbsTears]

If I say I am leaving the house, I leave. I do not go out but say I may just stay in a little bit.

When do you leave? Where are you going? How do you get there? Walking? Driving? Bus? How are you getting back? What will you wear? Are you getting food out or having tea at home? Are you going alone or not? What's the weather like, do you need a coat?

Do you go out the back door or out the front door?

Do you walk straight down the path or stop and shit in your neighbour's hedge?

Do you go to work at the market that you've always worked at, or get waylaid and inadvertently destroy £120bn your wealth on the way?

Loads of ways you can leave the house Axholm.

[Not Now Kato]

If I say I am leaving the house, I leave. I do not go out but say I may just stay in a little bit.

When do you leave? Where are you going? How do you get there? Walking? Driving? Bus? How are you getting back? What will you wear? Are you getting food out or having tea at home? Are you going alone or not? What's the weather like, do you need a coat?

That metaphor is actually perfect because, just like Brexit, there are a million and one possibilities that you can take from "leaving the house". It's far too vague a statement to be summed up with a yes or no answer. Before you leave the house, you know where you're going and what you're doing. Brexit is like leaving the house because you've been told there's free beer at the pub, only to get there and find the prices have been hiked and there's a fiver door fee now as well. And they only serve Carling.

The question was leave or remain. Leave won, so the anti-democracy remainiacs need to get over it, shut up and deal with it. Out is out!

But don't you understand that it was a binary question to a multipoint issue.  A simple Yes/No was silly in the extreme.
 
As MM has said, there are multiple ways of leaving the EU, several of these were put forward by the various Leave organisations prior to the electio - The Norwegian Model, the Swiss Model, the Hard Break model, etc etc. Which Leave did you vote for?  and do you honestly think that everyone who voted Leave voted for the same kind of leave you did?  Heck, I even know people who voted leave simply as a protest vote in the firm belief that Remain would win anyway!
 
And if it's as simple as you appear to suggest then why are we two years down the line with no agreement?
 
Let's take your Going Out analogy to it's logical conclusion... are you simpy suggesting that we walk away from the EU, close the door, stop trading with them?  Stop interchanging security information with them?  Stop all joint ventures with them?  implement a hard border between Northern and Southern Ireland? Because that's what your Going Out analogy means.
 
The whole thing is an ill thought out mess, and it isn't Teresa May's fault, why do you think there hasn't been a leadership challenge in the Tory Party?  Those idiots like Mogg and Johnson don't have solutions either and they clearly don't want their reputations tarnishing by picking up this poisoned chalice!  Far easier for them to say, when it's all gone wrong, "we would have done it differently"
 
Oh, and it's not up to us Remainers to 'deal with it', that's down you Wrexiteers to to come up with the solutions to 'deal with it', after all, you voted for it!

[tommy toes]

Let me give my honest the opinion as a remoaning remaniac.....
You Brexiteers have been hoodwinked by Farage and a few far right self serving already rich Tory MPs like Rees-Mogg and his hedge funds. NONE of their wild promises will come true.
There are NO benefits and loads of negatives in leaving the EU especially for most of us ie the Northern working class.
Do you think that  the London fixated Tory Government would have made the money available for all the developments in Donny and other places up here?
Nope it's all EU funding. Look around you ffs.
All I hear from Brexiteers is stupid sabre rattling nationalistic nonsense. Can practically hear them humming Land of Hope and Glory.

[hoolahoop]

I voted leave.
I voted  leave to leave, not to remain in, in a watered down membership.
What is there not to understand? If I say I am leaving the house, I leave. I do not go out but say I may just stay in a little bit.
May is a traitor as well as being useless. Sack her off and get Rees Mogg in for a no deal Brexit.

Ok you get outside and realise it's pissing it down and you've only got a t shirt on what do you do in your oh so simplified world - do you think hmm might need to go home and  put a jacket on, even stay in or  rather look like a drenched  tit in the pub ?
I know what sensible people do and it's not what you do .
Ffs Axholme that metaphor is shite like Brexit.

Oh and this " Brexiteer " terminology was picked out very deliberately in the early days to make some mugs sound and feel like glorious musketeers " all for one and one for all "- perhaps even buccaneers.  All very romantic rather than being a Remoaner eh ?
Personally I prefer principals......

[Glyn_Wigley]

If I say I am leaving the house, I leave. I do not go out but say I may just stay in a little bit.

When do you leave? Where are you going? How do you get there? Walking? Driving? Bus? How are you getting back? What will you wear? Are you getting food out or having tea at home? Are you going alone or not? What's the weather like, do you need a coat?

That metaphor is actually perfect because, just like Brexit, there are a million and one possibilities that you can take from "leaving the house". It's far too vague a statement to be summed up with a yes or no answer. Before you leave the house, you know where you're going and what you're doing. Brexit is like leaving the house because you've been told there's free beer at the pub, only to get there and find the prices have been hiked and there's a fiver door fee now as well. And they only serve Carling.

The question was leave or remain. Leave won, so the anti-democracy remainiacs need to get over it, shut up and deal with it. Out is out!

So having a General Election two years after the previous one is democratic, but having an referendum more than two years after the last is anti-democratic!

[hoolahoop]

Who knows what he was wanting when he unveiled this poster?



Whatever it was, there was no mention of immigration selection processes. By which I mean that it wasn't a poster that was designed to encourage a sensible debate on the pros and cons of immigration, was it?

Scroll down the Facebook ads and you will find our new border soon will be with Syria - ( notwithstanding that we aren't even in Schengen ) but that  the populations of not only Turkey but also Serbia, Albania, North Macedonia and Montenegro will be arriving for not only jobs but also treatment on the NHS imminently.

[Axholme Lion]

So let me get this right, you are all happy with being told what to do by the unelected likes of Junker and his henchmen, banks and international big business. I'd rather throw in my lot with Russia.

[Not Now Kato]

So let me get this right, you are all happy with being told what to do by the unelected likes of Junker and his henchmen, banks and international big business. I'd rather throw in my lot with Russia.

I presume from this this that you are hppy to believe the lies you read in the Dail Mail?  You clearly have no understanding of how the EU works.

[Glyn_Wigley]

So let me get this right, you are all happy with being told what to do by the unelected likes of Junker and his henchmen, banks and international big business. I'd rather throw in my lot with Russia.

We get to tell them what to do just as much as they can to us. But you'll never read that in the papers.

[Boomstick]

So let me get this right, you are all happy with being told what to do by the unelected likes of Junker and his henchmen, banks and international big business. I'd rather throw in my lot with Russia.

junker, the biggest piss head alcoholic we never elected.
the man's a liability for the eu, 😂

[Muttley]

So let me get this right, you are all happy with being told what to do by the unelected likes of Junker and his henchmen, banks and international big business. I'd rather throw in my lot with Russia.

junker, the biggest piss head alcoholic we never elected.
the man's a liability for the eu, 😂

I'd say May is a bigger liability for the UK...and she's sober!