Looks like the lack of investment.........

[godlike1]

Sadlike1

Erm at what point have I ever attacked or criticised a fellow contributed to the forum. Fine comment on what I have put but start making comments at my expense and nit even in relation to my topic of conversation and I will take serious offence to that

[godlike1]

There are too many people rushing to judge GM in what has been a very short time for him to evaluate what he has and what he needs.

He did the very sensible, and brave, act of not rushing into the marketplace and blowing all his budget in the opening spell of the season, preferring instead to evaluate his players when they have had time to adapt to his playing style. He's no fool, he can see what we see and he'll make the corrections needed when he gets the opportunity. The club have already gone public and stated that they will respond to his requests when the opportunity arises.

The OP is wrong to suggest that the club have been doing things on the cheap. A top 6 budget is not doing things on the cheap however you want to dress it up. GM has chosen to do things his way, and that necessitates respect and an acknowledgement that he knows his own mind and will act when he is sure of what he wants. The January window will give him that opportunity.

I don't get this top 6 budget stuff. It sounds great but What is the actual transfer budget he has available to spend?

My understanding of this is that say DF had the same budget for staff, players wages etc and used it all up then he has to let some people go before bringing any players in. So ergo if his approach is naff, it gives his replacement v little room to spend or bring anyone in.

I may be behined the times but 6the transfer kitty I'm interested in. Does one even exist?

[godlike1]

Oh sorry Godlike not Goblike. ! I just did not realise YOU had the words to make us all rejoice.

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Oh I'm sorry you dont like someone voicing their opinions and views on. An open forum set up for that exact reason. If you don't like it don't read it.

The lack of intelligent responses or debate over this is mind blowing only dickos and sm have the decency of a decent discussion over it. I'm wondering if the rest of you are Leeds fans in disguise.

Your certainly showing the same lack of intelligence as them

[Campsall rover]

Nobody on here I am sure objects to criticism but what we want to hear is constructive criticism.
Some of the comments made on here are totally without substance or any credible thought.

[vaya]

There are too many people rushing to judge GM in what has been a very short time for him to evaluate what he has and what he needs.

He did the very sensible, and brave, act of not rushing into the marketplace and blowing all his budget in the opening spell of the season, preferring instead to evaluate his players when they have had time to adapt to his playing style. He's no fool, he can see what we see and he'll make the corrections needed when he gets the opportunity. The club have already gone public and stated that they will respond to his requests when the opportunity arises.

The OP is wrong to suggest that the club have been doing things on the cheap. A top 6 budget is not doing things on the cheap however you want to dress it up. GM has chosen to do things his way, and that necessitates respect and an acknowledgement that he knows his own mind and will act when he is sure of what he wants. The January window will give him that opportunity.

I don't get this top 6 budget stuff. It sounds great but What is the actual transfer budget he has available to spend?

My understanding of this is that say DF had the same budget for staff, players wages etc and used it all up then he has to let some people go before bringing any players in. So ergo if his approach is naff, it gives his replacement v little room to spend or bring anyone in.

I may be behined the times but 6the transfer kitty I'm interested in. Does one even exist?

1) No-one's going to tell you how much the manager has available to spend, it'd be commercial suicide.

2) Can you prove there isn't money available to spend?

[godlike1]

There are too many people rushing to judge GM in what has been a very short time for him to evaluate what he has and what he needs.

He did the very sensible, and brave, act of not rushing into the marketplace and blowing all his budget in the opening spell of the season, preferring instead to evaluate his players when they have had time to adapt to his playing style. He's no fool, he can see what we see and he'll make the corrections needed when he gets the opportunity. The club have already gone public and stated that they will respond to his requests when the opportunity arises.

The OP is wrong to suggest that the club have been doing things on the cheap. A top 6 budget is not doing things on the cheap however you want to dress it up. GM has chosen to do things his way, and that necessitates respect and an acknowledgement that he knows his own mind and will act when he is sure of what he wants. The January window will give him that opportunity.

I don't get this top 6 budget stuff. It sounds great but What is the actual transfer budget he has available to spend?

My understanding of this is that say DF had the same budget for staff, players wages etc and used it all up then he has to let some people go before bringing any players in. So ergo if his approach is naff, it gives his replacement v little room to spend or bring anyone in.

I may be behined the times but 6the transfer kitty I'm interested in. Does one even exist?

1) No-one's going to tell you how much the manager has available to spend, it'd be commercial suicide.

2) Can you prove there isn't money available to spend?

Nope. I'm just trying to get my head around the line that keeps getting repeated time after time about a budget that's in the top 6-7 in the league. That's what got me thinking about the scenario over DF.

If there's no transfer budget to supplement the playing budget then I struggle to see how we can improve year on year. Hence why we still have Coops being one of, if not the best player on our books and no one looking remotely close to being as gòod

We don't get the players coming through or give them a chance so we won't be making any extra money that way.

[vaya]

There are too many people rushing to judge GM in what has been a very short time for him to evaluate what he has and what he needs.

He did the very sensible, and brave, act of not rushing into the marketplace and blowing all his budget in the opening spell of the season, preferring instead to evaluate his players when they have had time to adapt to his playing style. He's no fool, he can see what we see and he'll make the corrections needed when he gets the opportunity. The club have already gone public and stated that they will respond to his requests when the opportunity arises.

The OP is wrong to suggest that the club have been doing things on the cheap. A top 6 budget is not doing things on the cheap however you want to dress it up. GM has chosen to do things his way, and that necessitates respect and an acknowledgement that he knows his own mind and will act when he is sure of what he wants. The January window will give him that opportunity.

I don't get this top 6 budget stuff. It sounds great but What is the actual transfer budget he has available to spend?

My understanding of this is that say DF had the same budget for staff, players wages etc and used it all up then he has to let some people go before bringing any players in. So ergo if his approach is naff, it gives his replacement v little room to spend or bring anyone in.

I may be behined the times but 6the transfer kitty I'm interested in. Does one even exist?

1) No-one's going to tell you how much the manager has available to spend, it'd be commercial suicide.

2) Can you prove there isn't money available to spend?

Nope. I'm just trying to get my head around the line that keeps getting repeated time after time about a budget that's in the top 6-7 in the league. That's what got me thinking about the scenario over DF.

If there's no transfer budget to supplement the playing budget then I struggle to see how we can improve year on year. Hence why we still have Coops being one of, if not the best player on our books and no one looking remotely close to being as gòod

We don't get the players coming through or give them a chance so we won't be making any extra money that way.

With the best will in the world godlike, what you seem to be doing is arguing for a transfer budget, rather than showing much evidence for the lack of one. I doubt you’ll get many people (including the club) disagreeing with the need to bring players in as and when the manager chooses to.

As for Copps being the crux of proof that there’s no transfer budget, considering that he’s been here for over a decade, following your argument through would mean that not one of over half a dozen managers have had any transfer budget available to replace him, which seems unlikely. I’d hazard a guess he’s still playing on the basis of merit rather than financial expediency.

[dickos1]

Not suggesting I agree with godlike but I don’t think he was saying copps should have been replaced just that he’s been far and away our best player ever since sod left

[Campsall rover]

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Not suggesting I agree with godlike but I don’t think he was saying copps should have been replaced just that he’s been far and away our best player ever since sod left
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That just shows how good he is then doesn’t it?

[vaya]

Not suggesting I agree with godlike but I don’t think he was saying copps should have been replaced just that he’s been far and away our best player ever since sod left

Which is a point many will share dickos, but it still doesn't provide any proof either way that successive managers have wanted to replace him but have been unable to for financial reasons.

[DonnyOsmond]

Godlike is the kind of person that'd moan if we signed Messi on a free transfer with a massive signing on fee but he'd say we have no transfer budget.

[sha66y]

It appears that some on here just like to put out a point that in effect has little substance,
probably to “itch a scratch”
Why whinge about something you can’t change???
Unless seeking pointless debate...

So here goes with an equally pointless debate!

“Why can’t our crap owners and manager buy 15 new players that are better than any in this division so we can win every game and get promoted”

Sack the board,! sack the board,! Sack the Manager too !

Tongue firmly rooted to inner cheek.....

[Campsall rover]

It appears that some on here just like to put out a point that in effect has little substance,
probably to “itch a scratch”
Why whinge about something you can’t change???
Unless seeking pointless debate...

So here goes with an equally pointless debate!

“Why can’t our crap owners and manager buy 15 new players that are better than any in this division so we can win every game and get promoted”

Sack the board,! sack the board,! Sack the Manager too !

Tongue firmly rooted to inner cheek.....

Nice one.
There are some unfortunately that don’t live in the real world.
Fortunately we have owners who are going to run our club in the correct way.

[dickos1]

Not suggesting I agree with godlike but I don’t think he was saying copps should have been replaced just that he’s been far and away our best player ever since sod left

Which is a point many will share dickos, but it still doesn't provide any proof either way that successive managers have wanted to replace him but have been unable to for financial reasons.

I could be wrong but I don’t think he mentions replacing copps.

[RedJ]

Not suggesting I agree with godlike but I don’t think he was saying copps should have been replaced just that he’s been far and away our best player ever since sod left

Which is a point many will share dickos, but it still doesn't provide any proof either way that successive managers have wanted to replace him but have been unable to for financial reasons.

I could be wrong but I don’t think he mentions replacing copps.

He doesn't, but he's clearly hinting that the reason he hasn't been replaced is because of money.

[godlike1]

Godlike is the kind of person that'd moan if we signed Messi on a free transfer with a massive signing on fee but he'd say we have no transfer budget.

Get your head out of the club's backside.  it is not unreasonable to ask whether we even have a transfer kitty. Just repeating this line about the budget does not mean that the club are prepared to invest to progress year on year. They are essentially putting that in the hands of who even the manager is. Look at Man City for example. Guad will have a budget to manage but will have ben told he has a transfer kitty to work with too. That's why be spends £50m on a defender as a one off

Before any if you imbeciles start, no I'm not comparing us to them, just using them as an example

[godlike1]

It appears that some on here just like to put out a point that in effect has little substance,
probably to “itch a scratch”
Why whinge about something you can’t change???
Unless seeking pointless debate...

So here goes with an equally pointless debate!

“Why can’t our crap owners and manager buy 15 new players that are better than any in this division so we can win every game and get promoted”

Sack the board,! sack the board,! Sack the Manager too !

Tongue firmly rooted to inner cheek.....

Nice one.
There are some unfortunately that don’t live in the real world.
Fortunately we have owners who are going to run our club in the correct way.

It seems you will be happy with league 1 and 2 football for the foreseeable.future then. Which is fine and I have no issue with that and yes I will still.go and support the team and club  no matter what league we are in.

I am an ambitious person and want and wish the club to continue to push for the best, not just accept that we are where we are as we will get left behind

[dickos1]

Not suggesting I agree with godlike but I don’t think he was saying copps should have been replaced just that he’s been far and away our best player ever since sod left

Which is a point many will share dickos, but it still doesn't provide any proof either way that successive managers have wanted to replace him but have been unable to for financial reasons.

I could be wrong but I don’t think he mentions replacing copps.

He doesn't, but he's clearly hinting that the reason he hasn't been replaced is because of money.

I read it as he’s saying we’ve never signed anyone of a similar level to copps. Not to replace him but to have players in the side of a similar standard

[RedJ]

Godlike is the kind of person that'd moan if we signed Messi on a free transfer with a massive signing on fee but he'd say we have no transfer budget.

Get your head out of the club's backside.  it is not unreasonable to ask whether we even have a transfer kitty. Just repeating this line about the budget does not mean that the club are prepared to invest to progress year on year. They are essentially putting that in the hands of who even the manager is. Look at Man City for example. Guad will have a budget to manage but will have ben told he has a transfer kitty to work with too. That's why be spends £50m on a defender as a one off

Before any if you imbeciles start, no I'm not comparing us to them, just using them as an example

You've repeatedly been told there is a kitty, what more do you want? Jesus wept, they're hardly going to tell you what it is are they.

[godlike1]

Godlike is the kind of person that'd moan if we signed Messi on a free transfer with a massive signing on fee but he'd say we have no transfer budget.

Get your head out of the club's backside.  it is not unreasonable to ask whether we even have a transfer kitty. Just repeating this line about the budget does not mean that the club are prepared to invest to progress year on year. They are essentially putting that in the hands of who even the manager is. Look at Man City for example. Guad will have a budget to manage but will have ben told he has a transfer kitty to work with too. That's why be spends £50m on a defender as a one off

Before any if you imbeciles start, no I'm not comparing us to them, just using them as an example

You've repeatedly been told there is a kitty, what more do you want? Jesus wept, they're hardly going to tell you what it is are they.

No they don't. They say we have a budget that's the 8th biggest in the league. They add that they will supplement it if really needed or justified.

That last bits fine but it says to me that there is no initial transfer kitty, just a playing budget to manage. Then in an emergency the board will give funds if really pushed e.g. we have no for defenders

 I keep saying I don't want to know what the value of the kitty is, I've never asked that question once.

[RedJ]

Do you think they have a lump sum of money just set aside in a piggy bank? Jesus. And does it really matter? how many transfers at this level are for big transfer fees, or fees at all? Why do people want us to go spending on transfer fees just for the sake of looking ambitious to the fans?

[godlike1]

Do you think they have a lump sum of money just set aside in a piggy bank? Jesus. And does it really matter? how many transfers at this level are for big transfer fees, or fees at all? Why do people want us to go spending on transfer fees just for the sake of looking ambitious to the fans?

Erm do I really need to answer that last statement?

[RedJ]

Do you think they have a lump sum of money just set aside in a piggy bank? Jesus. And does it really matter? how many transfers at this level are for big transfer fees, or fees at all? Why do people want us to go spending on transfer fees just for the sake of looking ambitious to the fans?

Erm do I really need to answer that last statement?

So you want the club to splash transfer fees about solely to satisfy people who think that we need to go splashing transfer fees about otherwise we're shit and the club don't care and are doing it on the cheap.

[wilts rover]

If we have two budgets (transfer budget and wages budget) these players we will be bringing in on transfer - will their wages come from the wages budget or the transfer budget?

Just asking for a friend like....

[raggytash]

I wouldn’t say splash cash we haven’t got but we certainly do everything on the cheap... almost every player over the last 12 month as been injury prone or similar..... sometimes it needs a bit of quality but that costs and the owners certainly won’t go over 100k I reckon..

[sha66y]

It appears that some on here just like to put out a point that in effect has little substance,
probably to “itch a scratch”
Why whinge about something you can’t change???
Unless seeking pointless debate...

So here goes with an equally pointless debate!

“Why can’t our crap owners and manager buy 15 new players that are better than any in this division so we can win every game and get promoted”

Sack the board,! sack the board,! Sack the Manager too !

Tongue firmly rooted to inner cheek.....

Nice one.
There are some unfortunately that don’t live in the real world.
Fortunately we have owners who are going to run our club in the correct way.

It seems you will be happy with league 1 and 2 football for the foreseeable.future then. Which is fine and I have no issue with that and yes I will still.go and support the team and club  no matter what league we are in.

I am an ambitious person and want and wish the club to continue to push for the best, not just accept that we are where we are as we will get left behind

I believe that your ambitions like many others are of no consequence to the success of the club,
We are a small catchment area club with generous benefactors,
our crowds are small and our ability to generate funds is probably a bare minimum, ..... so !
Perhaps a reality check is needed...
You nor I can change the prospects of Doncaster Rovers
We can marvel at the more than occasional passages of play..
We can get frustrated at the losses mounting up, and we can try to apportion blame where we deem it to lay

But at the end of the day, we have ABSOLUTELY no control over any aspect of our clubs future...all we can do is analyse, applaud and occasionally bitch about the impotence we feel as supporters...

Or just enjoy every victory, and hurt with every defeat like real supporters that we are....

[RoversAlias]

Surely we have one playing budget and within that is incorporated all of the squad's wages and then money for transfers? I don't see why the two would really be separate.

Too much obsession with budgets, it's not what's important in football. People moaned we didn't spend enough in the summer, but we're doing alright aren't we? I'd have taken 8th by November in a heartbeat if you'd offered it to me in July.

[Bentley Bullet]

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but didn't our benefactors raise our ambitions by declaring an intention of Championship football in the next couple of years?

[RedJ]

I wouldn’t say splash cash we haven’t got but we certainly do everything on the cheap... almost every player over the last 12 month as been injury prone or similar..... sometimes it needs a bit of quality but that costs and the owners certainly won’t go over 100k I reckon..

Key words.

[DonnyOsmond]

Surely we have one playing budget and within that is incorporated all of the squad's wages and then money for transfers? I don't see why the two would really be separate.

Too much obsession with budgets, it's not what's important in football. People moaned we didn't spend enough in the summer, but we're doing alright aren't we? I'd have taken 8th by November in a heartbeat if you'd offered it to me in July.

I think that's any sane persons take on it, it's one big pot.

Say the budgets £3million.
Our average player is on £2,200 a week, over a year for 23 players that will come to £2,631,200 in wages.
That leaves the remaining £368,300 to be used for transfer fees, agent costs, signing on fees, bonuses, etc.
If we wish to sign one player who would be fairly cheap to bring in but massive on wages it'll leave us less left over in the kitty and vice versa if we spent loads in transfer fees we'd have less for wages available.