50 League goals for Marquis

[BillyStubbsTears]

I wonder how he stands in the list of players with fewest appearances to get to that mark?

DU?
TRB?
BRR?

[acacia94]

Sorry Bill not a complete reply but I loved something John did at oakwell last week. Brilliant bit of quality that speaks yards of the bloke. When he slotted that lovely ball in front of the away end to Alf and he slammed it wide and high instead of burying the bugger Alf glanced back at John and he just did a quick wave of the hand to say 'don't worry lad, it happens'. Now, I don't reckon I misinterpreted a tosser gesture. John just shook his head in that way a proper big professional bloke would and signalled 'its OK Alf, carry on. Right lovely stuff.

[Bentley Bullet]

He's scored 50 goals in 110 league games. No mean feat.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Put it in perspective.

Billy Sharp, who is by far the best striker we've had in my lifetime, scored 44 League goals for us in 92 starts plus 6 sub appearances.

So, Marquis has scored at a very similar rate (albeit at a lower level) whilst also being the target man.

Marquis's League goals per start (0.45) is way ahead of Heffernan's (0.40) or Blundell's (0.38), or Chris Brown's (who is the only regular goalscorer we've had in the past 35 years who was also a target man - 0.32).

Some boy, Marquis.

[Bristol Red Rover]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Doncaster_Rovers_F.C._records_and_statistics#Goalscorers

Just Colin Booth and Peter Doherty did better on fewer appearances.
Booth with a League rate of 0.648
Doherty 0.534

A stat I'm not about to work out would be how many appearances did others need to get to 50 goals but I suspect Tom Keetley did better than anyone.

[The Red Baron]

I was going to throw Colin Booth into the mix. He had a phenomenal record when you consider he was only here for two seasons (and played in a bang average team, although he had a decent foil in Alfie Hale.)

Tom Keetley scored a lot in the back end of his Rovers career but I'll try and have a look tomorrow. I've not long got back from the match tonight.

[Bristol Red Rover]

Oh, go on then...
Tom got 51 in 95 appearances (2 in his 95th game). A strike rate of 0.537 to that 51.

King Alick made it in 104 appearances nudging Marquis into 5th quickest to his *first* 50, though I haven't checked Tindall and Kitchen.

[SydneyRover]

JM is certainly rubbing shoulders with the best, I'd like to see stats of how many metres/klms he covers in a game, not that others don't but he must be viewed as a right pain in the arse by most oppositions.

[idler]

Oh, go on then...
Tom got 51 in 95 appearances (2 in his 95th game). A strike rate of 0.537 to that 51.

King Alick made it in 104 appearances nudging Marquis into 5th quickest to his *first* 50, though I haven't checked Tindall and Kitchen.

When you consider Alick's age on debut and the level that he started at that is a phemomanel achievement. A sad day for English football when he broke his leg.

[Dutch Uncle]

Great thread that I missed last night.

A related stat is that only Tom Keetley (72) and Colin Booth (62) have scored more than John's 53 in all competitions in their first three seasons at the club (and Colin Booth only played two seasons for us!)

The corresponding league goals totals to compare with John's 50 are 68 for Keetley and 57 for Booth, and again John is clear third.

If we can keep him in January he has a chance to be the first Rovers player ever to score 20 league goals in a season at this level. All other players scoring 20 league goals in a season have been at lower levels, either tier 4, conference (Paul Barnes) or regionalised third tier which was effectively tier 3.5.

[steve@dcfd]

According to stat just seen he is the 10th player for Doncaster Rovers to score 10 goals in 3 consecutive seasons. Only Billy Sharp in recent times achieved that.

[BillyStubbsTears]

DU

Wow! I didn't realise we've never had a player score 20 League goals at a level above the bottom league.

Can't be many clubs with that dubious honour.

[drfchound]

DU

Wow! I didn't realise we've never had a player score 20 League goals at a level above the bottom league.

Can't be many clubs with that dubious honour.

My bet is that there will be plenty of clubs who share that honour.

[BillyStubbsTears]

At a quick skim, I reckon there's 65 current League clubs who have had the top scorer of the season in a league above the bottom one, with that scorer getting 20±
http://www.rsssf.com/tablese/engtops.html

Bearing in mind that there will have been loads of players who got 20+ and weren't the top scorer in the division, that suggests that there won't be much more than a dozen or so clubs sharing our distinction. 

[Dutch Uncle]

According to stat just seen he is the 10th player for Doncaster Rovers to score 10 goals in 3 consecutive seasons. Only Billy Sharp in recent times achieved that.

That is for scoring 10 in the League only:

The others are (in chronological order)

Tom Keetley
Stan Burton
Bert Tindill
Tony Leighton
Peter Kitchen
Brendan O'Callaghan
Glyn Snodin
Colin Douglas
Billy Sharp

In total there are 13 players who have scored 10 or more in 3 consecutive seasons in all competitions, with Albert Turner, Ray Harrison and Michael McIndoe to be added to the 10 above.

[Pancho Regan]

If we can keep him in January he has a chance to be the first Rovers player ever to score 20 league goals in a season at this level. All other players scoring 20 league goals in a season have been at lower levels, either tier 4, conference (Paul Barnes) or regionalised third tier which was effectively tier 3.5.

That's an amazing piece of information Dutch!

[BillyStubbsTears]

At a quick skim, I reckon there's 65 current League clubs who have had the top scorer of the season in a league above the bottom one, with that scorer getting 20±
http://www.rsssf.com/tablese/engtops.html

Bearing in mind that there will have been loads of players who got 20+ and weren't the top scorer in the division, that suggests that there won't be much more than a dozen or so clubs sharing our distinction. 

Quick run through. I reckon that, according to that website (only up to 2007) the current league clubs who have never had a player who scored 20+ and finished top scorer in his division (not including the basement division are:

Rovers
Carlisle
Oldham
Fleetwood
Accrington
Wimbledon
MK Dons
Burton
Barnet
Crawley
Gillingham
Lincoln
Newport
Stevenage
Forest Green
Crewe
Yeovil
Morecambe
Cambridge
Cheltenham
Macclesfield

21 clubs, of which 10 have only been in the league for a few years. And presumably there will be several clubs on that list who had players who hit 20+ goals but weren't the division top scorer.

[Colemans Left Hook]

DU

Wow! I didn't realise we've never had a player score 20 League goals at a level above the bottom league.

Can't be many clubs with that dubious honour.

Hartlepool have to be certs & maybe Halifax & darlington

on a point of order football matches were 90 minutes in Colin Booth's day FULL STOP  as opposed to the 95 + now and as we know penalties were given for fouls not theatrical acting ability 

[BillyStubbsTears]

DU

Wow! I didn't realise we've never had a player score 20 League goals at a level above the bottom league.

Can't be many clubs with that dubious honour.

Hartlepool have to be certs & maybe Halifax & darlington

on a point of order football matches were 90 minutes in Colin Booth's day FULL STOP  as opposed to the 95 + now and as we know penalties were given for fouls not theatrical acting ability 

None of those are in the League.

[Bristol Red Rover]

But we were soooo close... Reg Baines got 19 in Div 2 in 35-36, and Alick got 15 in the 13 games before he broke his leg in 56-57.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Glynn got 18 in 84/85 too. From full back.

Typical of us to not have strikers who can score. Bloody shite Boldry.

[roversdude]

How many of the goals of our more ‘prolific’ strikers were penalties. I think it should be noted that JM has not stepped up to take many (yeah I know he’s missed a few)

[Dutch Uncle]

At a quick skim, I reckon there's 65 current League clubs who have had the top scorer of the season in a league above the bottom one, with that scorer getting 20±
http://www.rsssf.com/tablese/engtops.html

Bearing in mind that there will have been loads of players who got 20+ and weren't the top scorer in the division, that suggests that there won't be much more than a dozen or so clubs sharing our distinction. 

Quick run through. I reckon that, according to that website (only up to 2007) the current league clubs who have never had a player who scored 20+ and finished top scorer in his division (not including the basement division are:

Rovers
Carlisle
Oldham
Fleetwood
Accrington
Wimbledon
MK Dons
Burton
Barnet
Crawley
Gillingham
Lincoln
Newport
Stevenage
Forest Green
Crewe
Yeovil
Morecambe
Cambridge
Cheltenham
Macclesfield

21 clubs, of which 10 have only been in the league for a few years. And presumably there will be several clubs on that list who had players who hit 20+ goals but weren't the division top scorer.

Further reseach in Rothmans and a few other resources and I now have a definitive list to BST's great question.

We are one of only 11 clubs currently of the 92 league clubs never to have a player score 20 league goals at higher than the lowest level. All the other clubs are new to the Football League except Accrington Stanley if we accept that the phoenix club is the same as the old club. Equally we have to accept that the Newport County club is the old club for whom a certain Tommy Tynan scored 25 goals in Division 3 for them in 1982-83 (the year of the 7-5 Reading match and other high scoring fixtures involving DRFC). On the other hand, although I would like to, I am hesitating to include the original Wimbledon's records for AFC Wimbledon. If we do then we are one of only 10.

The other 10 are:

Accrington Stanley (neither current or earlier club managed a season above the lowest level until this year)
AFC Wimbledon (Alan Cork scored 29 in 1983-84 in Division 3, so I am open to crossing them off this list)
Burton Albion
Cheltenham
Crawley
Fleetwood
Forest Green Rovers
Macclesfield
Morecambe
Stevenage

I have found a scorer of 20 or more above the lowest level for all the other clubs.

We are without doubt by far the club with the most seasons above the lowest level (this season is our 38th) without a scorer of 20 league goals in any of those seasons.

Yet another FL record for DRFC 

[BillyStubbsTears]

Be a great Pointless question.

Cheers Dutch. Superb as ever.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Marquis has 13 goals before the first Advent Calendar choccy has digested.

This day in 16/17, he had 10 and he ended up with 27.

This day in 17/18, he had 7 and he ended up with 15.

Got me thinking. I wonder who our record scorer before Xmas is? I doubt that many will have topped 13 goals in the past 50 years.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Follow up

On this day in...

2002/03, Paul Barnes had 9 (finished with 25)
2003/04, Gregg Blundell's had 7 (19)
2006/07, Paul Heffernan had 5 (21)
1996/97, Colin Cramb had 9 (20)

Just something to think about for those who reckon Marquis hasn't been in top form.

[turnbull for england]

Well it is advent

[DonnyNoel]

Follow up

On this day in...

2002/03, Paul Barnes had 9 (finished with 25)
2003/04, Gregg Blundell's had 7 (19)
2006/07, Paul Heffernan had 5 (21)
1996/97, Colin Cranberry had 9 (20)

Just something to think about for those who reckon Marquis hasn't been in top form.

Refreshing to read those stats, particularly re Cranberry....

[BillyStubbsTears]

Aye. I'm always careful with my sources.

[drfchound]

Marquis has 13 goals before the first Advent Calendar choccy has digested.

This day in 16/17, he had 10 and he ended up with 27.

This day in 17/18, he had 7 and he ended up with 15.

Got me thinking. I wonder who our record scorer before Xmas is? I doubt that many will have topped 13 goals in the past 50 years.

Billy, one of those goals is in the Mickey Mouse Cup which isn’t a recognised first team fixture.
However, twelve at this stage of the season is still very very good.