Monarchy v Republic

[drfchound]

it hard to believe that people don’t appreciate and understand that the work done by the Royals isn’t productive and important.

Yes, the work itself is productive and important. But why does it have to be done by royalty? Non-royal countries seem able to do it just as well.

Yes, can’t disagree with that.
The point is though that the Royals ARE there, you can’t change history, and that they do their bit for the country and various charities.
As Boomstick has already said, us having the Royal family is the envy of many countries around the World.

Most of Europe seemed to be able to change history and seem to manage perfectly well without a monarchy.

But they didn’t change history did they.
What happened has happened, that is history as well isn’t it.

It’s a shame that you didn’t highlight the rest of my sentence rather than the bit you did.

They changed their history by getting rid of the monarchy. The point being that they seem able to do everything without a monarchy that we apparently can't do without one.

No they didn’t change their history.
They changed their future when they got rid of the Monarchy.

Do you think that our Royals DONT do a decent job of promoting the Country or charities.

[Glyn_Wigley]

it hard to believe that people don’t appreciate and understand that the work done by the Royals isn’t productive and important.

Yes, the work itself is productive and important. But why does it have to be done by royalty? Non-royal countries seem able to do it just as well.

Yes, can’t disagree with that.
The point is though that the Royals ARE there, you can’t change history, and that they do their bit for the country and various charities.
As Boomstick has already said, us having the Royal family is the envy of many countries around the World.

Most of Europe seemed to be able to change history and seem to manage perfectly well without a monarchy.

But they didn’t change history did they.
What happened has happened, that is history as well isn’t it.

It’s a shame that you didn’t highlight the rest of my sentence rather than the bit you did.

They changed their history by getting rid of the monarchy. The point being that they seem able to do everything without a monarchy that we apparently can't do without one.

No they didn’t change their history.
They changed their future when they got rid of the Monarchy.

Do you think that our Royals DONT do a decent job of promoting the Country or charities.

Yes they do. But they're not the only people who can do exactly the same job. We don't need a monarchy to do it.

[Boomstick]

it hard to believe that people don’t appreciate and understand that the work done by the Royals isn’t productive and important.

Yes, the work itself is productive and important. But why does it have to be done by royalty? Non-royal countries seem able to do it just as well.

Yes, can’t disagree with that.
The point is though that the Royals ARE there, you can’t change history, and that they do their bit for the country and various charities.
As Boomstick has already said, us having the Royal family is the envy of many countries around the World.

Most of Europe seemed to be able to change history and seem to manage perfectly well without a monarchy.

But they didn’t change history did they.
What happened has happened, that is history as well isn’t it.

It’s a shame that you didn’t highlight the rest of my sentence rather than the bit you did.

They changed their history by getting rid of the monarchy. The point being that they seem able to do everything without a monarchy that we apparently can't do without one.

No they didn’t change their history.
They changed their future when they got rid of the Monarchy.

Do you think that our Royals DONT do a decent job of promoting the Country or charities.

Yes they do. But they're not the only people who can do exactly the same job. We don't need a monarchy to do it.

But they ARE the ONLY people in THAT position, that are ADORED by millions across the commonwealth and beyond.

So NO, there simply IS NOT anyone in the world that can do the same job.

[Glyn_Wigley]

The Commonwealth and beyond are welcome to them.

[Boomstick]

The Commonwealth and beyond are welcome to them.

Wow, what a well reasoned and thought out response.

The ironic thing, that is lost on you is that the majority of people in the commonwealth DO welcome them, as they do the huge crowds that greet them.

[Glyn_Wigley]

The Commonwealth and beyond are welcome to them.

Wow, what a well reasoned and thought out response.

The ironic thing, that is lost on you is that the majority of people in the commonwealth DO welcome them, as they do the huge crowds that greet them.

I was following your lead in the lack of throught and reason.

[Boomstick]

The Commonwealth and beyond are welcome to them.

Wow, what a well reasoned and thought out response.

The ironic thing, that is lost on you is that the majority of people in the commonwealth DO welcome them, as they do the huge crowds that greet them.

I was following your lead in the lack of throught and reason.

Hmmm, don't think I've said anything that's not true.
You, however have claimed countries in Europe have the power to change their histories.
Perhaps you've read too many Michael Crichton novels .

[Glyn_Wigley]

The Commonwealth and beyond are welcome to them.

Wow, what a well reasoned and thought out response.

The ironic thing, that is lost on you is that the majority of people in the commonwealth DO welcome them, as they do the huge crowds that greet them.

I was following your lead in the lack of throught and reason.

Hmmm, don't think I've said anything that's not true.
You, however have claimed countries in Europe have the power to change their histories.
Perhaps you've read too many Michael Crichton novels .

So NO, there simply IS NOT anyone in the world that can do the same job.

So this is the product of thought and reason, eh? Hmmm indeed.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Never quite got this argument that we get shit loads of tourists because we have a Queen.

Do tourists really come in the belief that they are going to see her?

Would they not come to see Buckingham Palace and the Tower whether or not we had a reigning monarch?

Been a long time since there was a Pharoh on the throne in Egypt but folk still go to see the Pyramids.

Didn't think you'd get it....

We wouldn't get half the tourists.

But then it's not just about the billions they bring in.

Strange then that far more tourists visit Versailles, the Colliseum and the Kremlin every year, than visit Buckingham Palace or Windsor Castle.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_visited_palaces_and_monuments

Odd that the lack of opportunity to see Louis XIV, Caesar Augustus or Ivan the Terrible doesn't stop them visiting.

Still. I'm sure you're right and I've just search for information that supports what I already thought.

[Boomstick]

Never quite got this argument that we get shit loads of tourists because we have a Queen.

Do tourists really come in the belief that they are going to see her?

Would they not come to see Buckingham Palace and the Tower whether or not we had a reigning monarch?

Been a long time since there was a Pharoh on the throne in Egypt but folk still go to see the Pyramids.

Didn't think you'd get it....

We wouldn't get half the tourists.

But then it's not just about the billions they bring in.

Strange then that far more tourists visit Versailles, the Colliseum and the Kremlin every year, than visit Buckingham Palace or Windsor Castle.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_visited_palaces_and_monuments

Odd that the lack of opportunity to see Louis XIV, Caesar Augustus or Ivan the Terrible doesn't stop them visiting.

Still. I'm sure you're right and I've just search for information that supports what I already thought.

Completely irrelevant point, plus your cherry picking points to support your failing argument. It's laughable.

Those buildings in russia, France and Italy are far more interesting than those you chose to compare in this country.
It's utterly irrelevant.

The point is, in THIS country, if the royal family dissolved. There WOULD be a huge decline in tourism, and far less people would visit.

Not to mention, the tourist in this country are literally spoilt for choice when it comes to choosing which royal property to visit.

Those russian, French and Italian buildings are very unique and worth visiting in their own right.

So yes, you've searched for information, and twisted it, in a very poor attempt to support what you already thought.

[Boomstick]

The Commonwealth and beyond are welcome to them.

Wow, what a well reasoned and thought out response.

The ironic thing, that is lost on you is that the majority of people in the commonwealth DO welcome them, as they do the huge crowds that greet them.

I was following your lead in the lack of throught and reason.

Hmmm, don't think I've said anything that's not true.
You, however have claimed countries in Europe have the power to change their histories.
Perhaps you've read too many Michael Crichton novels .

So NO, there simply IS NOT anyone in the world that can do the same job.

So this is the product of thought and reason, eh? Hmmm indeed.

YES, even if you have taken my point out of context

[Bentley Bullet]

Yet again another thread with the same minority people telling the majority they're wrong!

Maybe they can demand another vote if it stays in favour of pro-Monarchy, on the grounds that Wolfie works for Cambridge Analytica and put the Monarchy choice on top so all us idle internet bas**rds will not be arsed to read the choices properly and just tick the top box!

[BillyStubbsTears]

BB

Me, I'm relaxed about the whole thing. If folk want some Ruritanian pomp to put some lead in their pencil, then that's fine. I do think that the purported tangible benefits through tourism are hugely exaggerated. Given that 5 times more visitors visit the Tower every year, (history) than visit Buckingham Palace (present) I find it hard to believe that huge numbers of tourists wouldn't come if our monarchy was confined to history.

[drfchound]

It could be that visitors can go into the Tower.
They can’t obviously go into Buck House.

[Bentley Bullet]

BST

I bet the tower didn't make a billion quid in one day like Harry's recent wedding did.

[BillyStubbsTears]

BB
Was that £1bn from foreign tourists? Or £1bn to the Central London economy, predominantly from UK royal fans.

But grand. If we want to marry a royal off to a minor celeb every other month to bolster the economy,  that'd be grand.

[drfchound]

Just hope THIS ONE does not morph into an EU / B****t debate

I think it has morphed into a Glyn Wigley and BST against everyone else thread though.

[Bentley Bullet]

Do you mean the self Righteous brothers!

[BillyStubbsTears]

Goodness. Is it THAT time already?

[Donnywolf]

BB

Me, I'm relaxed about the whole thing. If folk want some Ruritanian pomp to put some lead in their pencil, then that's fine. I do think that the purported tangible benefits through tourism are hugely exaggerated. Given that 5 times more visitors visit the Tower every year, (history) than visit Buckingham Palace (present) I find it hard to believe that huge numbers of tourists wouldn't come if our monarchy was confined to history.

... as they still visit Paris after their Monarchy was abolished

And its a Tenner a Pint there compared to around a Fiver in London (in comparitive places of course)

[SydneyRover]

Just in from the commonwealth:

I personally can't wait until people throng the streets waving disunion flags hailing charley the philanderer, political interferer and total goose to the throne.

For old times sake.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNMKX7CA-l8

[SydneyRover]

Just hope THIS ONE does not morph into an EU / B****t debate

I think it has morphed into a Glyn Wigley and BST against everyone else thread though.

If our gracious Royal Family had stuck to it's guns (so to speak) Britain would have been a member of Europe earlier than anyone wanted, without a vote!.

''The British Royal Nazis: It wasn’t just Edward VIII, or even Prince Philip!''

http://cecaust.com.au/releases/2015_08_04_Royal_Nazis.html

I've added a couple more links for balance.

https://www.sbs.com.au/guide/article/2017/08/28/brief-history-british-royals-and-their-alleged-nazi-connections

https://www.timesofisrael.com/crown-fumes-over-video-of-queens-nazi-salute-as-child/