Fed up of Marquis bashing

[Branton Rover]

Guy wasn’t a completely different player he was nesh & would never put himself in harms way - an accusation you could never level at Marquis - Guy on the other hand used to draw defenders to him by running the channels & creating space for Heffernan/Hayter

[dickos1]

I’m not saying he’s a bad player,
And we would be lost without him. But he’s just not scoring it’s irrelevent that he scored all the goals in the first half of the season.
He hasn’t scored a goal in open play in 11 games, even players such as Kane would be given a rest with a run as bad as that.
I see no reason to not try a front three of copps, sadlier and wilkes

[grayx]

I’m not saying he’s a bad player,
And we would be lost without him. But he’s just not scoring it’s irrelevent that he scored all the goals in the first half of the season.
He hasn’t scored a goal in open play in 11 games, even players such as Kane would be given a rest with a run as bad as that.
I see no reason to not try a front three of copps, sadlier and wilkes

My thoughts exactly.. the best strikers in the world get rested/ subbed when things arent going their way. They often benefit from it in the long run.

[Campsall rover]

Strange isn’t it he was a superstar in January judging by most of the comments on here. Many thought he was on his way for 2 million +
Now he is suddenly a villain because the goals have dried up.
Football supporters eh bloody rubbish.
I tell you what when he is banging the goals in next season for someone else there are going to be some red faces on here.
CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR.
Slagging off a player with a one in two goal scoring record is not a clever move imo.

[graingrover]

Those fans are unfortunately the ones who are in the minority but far from silent ! Most players read this forum and are active on social media in general .If your were JM would you feel loyalty to fans like  that ? If I read his personality correctly he is more likely to give  them the two fingers sign when the window opens .
The winner goes the losers stay to continue their sad diatribes characteristic of  most losers in life .

[dickos1]

Strange isn’t it he was a superstar in January judging by most of the comments on here. Many thought he was on his way for 2 million +
Now he is suddenly a villain because the goals have dried up.
Football supporters eh bloody rubbish.
I tell you what when he is banging the goals in next season for someone else there are going to be some red faces on here.
CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR.
Slagging off a player with a one in two goal scoring record is not a clever move imo.

Not slagging him off,
And I’m sure his form will return but no goals in 11 games is not helping us at all at this crucial time of the season
And a rest may do him and us some good

[BillyStubbsTears]

I’m not saying he’s a bad player,
And we would be lost without him. But he’s just not scoring it’s irrelevent that he scored all the goals in the first half of the season.
He hasn’t scored a goal in open play in 11 games, even players such as Kane would be given a rest with a run as bad as that.
I see no reason to not try a front three of copps, sadlier and wilkes

Harry Kane scored 1 goal in Spurs' first 13 games of 2015/16. That was a tap in after a free-kick hit the post, so I'm not sure if you'd count that as an open play goal or not.

Spurs didn't drop him.

He scored another 28 goals for them over the rest of the season. 

Mo Salah scored 1 in 11 for Liverpool this season between mid Jan and early April.

It happens.

Strikers go through droughts. Good goalscorers are still far more likely to start scoring again than bad goalscorers, though.

[dickos1]

Of Course it’s open play, being in the right place at the right time is an art.

There’s some differences between your examples, neither was for as long and the team was still winning every week.
Since marquis’s last goal have a look at our form it’s not very good at all.
If spurs and Liverpool had been struggling then I’m sure they would’ve been rested at some point

[BillyStubbsTears]

Dickos

Actually, Spurs were not winning every week. Their record in that period was:

P13 W4 D6 L3.

Which is God awful form for them.

The principle is that if you have a proven goalscorer who is going through a bad patch, you stick with him.

[steve@dcfd]

Since January 1st John has scored 5 goals out of 21 scored by the team.
It could and should have been better. But overall we have scored 72 goals which is 5th best in the league. John has scored 26% of those goals. We have played open football all season the managers way, he has tried to entertain and succeeded in the majority of the season. But we have also conceeded 56 goals which is equal 11th in the league. Therefore in some games especially away from home we would have been tighter then we may not have been so reliant on John and other players to score.

It has been said before if he had taken more chances which he had before the end of the transfer window he would not have been here, some may be happy at that. Would we have signed another striker better than John don’t know, can only look at our recent history I would say no.

[dickos1]

Dickos

Actually, Spurs were not winning every week. Their record in that period was:

P13 W4 D6 L3.

Which is God awful form for them.

The principle is that if you have a proven goalscorer who is going through a bad patch, you stick with him.

Spurs record is actually better without Kane so maybe they should have dropped him.
Either way, I’m not suggesting he’s useless or we should get rid. But he’s not even looking like scoring at the moment and in my opinion a slight change of the front 3 at this moment in time would benefit us.

[steve@dcfd]

Dickos

Actually, Spurs were not winning every week. Their record in that period was:

P13 W4 D6 L3.

Which is God awful form for them.

The principle is that if you have a proven goalscorer who is going through a bad patch, you stick with him.

Spurs record is actually better without Kane so maybe they should have dropped him.
Either way, I’m not suggesting he’s useless or we should get rid. But he’s not even looking like scoring at the moment and in my opinion a slight change of the front 3 at this moment in time would benefit us.

So who would be your front three?

[scawsby steve]

I've said on here time and time again, we can't drop John because he's the only natural centre forward in the squad; it's a specialist position that not every player can adapt to.

Whether John stays or not, it's essential that GM has at least 2 players for this position next season, even if it means converting someone to play it; maybe one of the younger players.

One thing's for certain, if John does leave, whoever replaces him will have to be very very good to achieve anything near what John's achieved over the last 3 seasons.

[scawsby steve]

I've said on here time and time again, we can't drop John because he's the only natural centre forward in the squad; it's a specialist position that not every player can adapt to.

Whether John stays or not, it's essential that GM has at least 2 players for this position next season, even if it means converting someone to play it; maybe one of the younger players.

One thing's for certain, if John does leave, whoever replaces him will have to be very very good to achieve anything near what John's achieved over the last 3 seasons.

I've always been keen to see Marquis up top in a simple front two with a natural big man who'll win balls, headers, flicks, draw defenders, etc, and be a general pain in the arse to mark and play against.

It wouldn't be stylish by any means but straight away the defenders would know they're going to be in for a horrible battle.

And the big boys presence may certainly allow Marquis to capitalise on his undoubted instincts and score more goals. People may also then just realise what a job he's done this season, on the whole, to be the focal point of the attack, working his nuts off AND the main goalscorer, too.

I agree with that Rigo, a Chris Brown type of player to play with John  would be perfect.

[esdailles left foot]

Seems it's ok to rip Alfie May a new one, but  marquis who's been abysmal for 4 months now is teflon. Also Grant's refusal to withdraw him boils my piss. Think we could have a rough diamond in Smith but we'll never know

[drfc1951]

I've said on here time and time again, we can't drop John because he's the only natural centre forward in the squad; it's a specialist position that not every player can adapt to.

Whether John stays or not, it's essential that GM has at least 2 players for this position next season, even if it means converting someone to play it; maybe one of the younger players.

One thing's for certain, if John does leave, whoever replaces him will have to be very very good to achieve anything near what John's achieved over the last 3 seasons.

I've always been keen to see Marquis up top in a simple front two with a natural big man who'll win balls, headers, flicks, draw defenders, etc, and be a general pain in the arse to mark and play against.

It wouldn't be stylish by any means but straight away the defenders would know they're going to be in for a horrible battle.

And the big boys presence may certainly allow Marquis to capitalise on his undoubted instincts and score more goals. People may also then just realise what a job he's done this season, on the whole, to be the focal point of the attack, working his nuts off AND the main goalscorer, too.

I agree with that Rigo, a Chris Brown type of player to play with John  would be perfect.

Tom Eaves from Gillingham is out of contract this summer I think

[southwestexile]

I’m not saying he’s a bad player,
And we would be lost without him. But he’s just not scoring it’s irrelevent that he scored all the goals in the first half of the season.
He hasn’t scored a goal in open play in 11 games, even players such as Kane would be given a rest with a run as bad as that.
I see no reason to not try a front three of copps, sadlier and wilkes

Like City rest Guero and play Jesus?

Who’s as good as Marquis at our club?

[esdailles left foot]

we'll never find out if they don't get the chance.

[dickos1]

I’m not saying he’s a bad player,
And we would be lost without him. But he’s just not scoring it’s irrelevent that he scored all the goals in the first half of the season.
He hasn’t scored a goal in open play in 11 games, even players such as Kane would be given a rest with a run as bad as that.
I see no reason to not try a front three of copps, sadlier and wilkes

Like City rest Guero and play Jesus?

Who’s as good as Marquis at our club?

City do rest aguero, quite often

[dickos1]

Dickos

Actually, Spurs were not winning every week. Their record in that period was:

P13 W4 D6 L3.

Which is God awful form for them.

The principle is that if you have a proven goalscorer who is going through a bad patch, you stick with him.

Spurs record is actually better without Kane so maybe they should have dropped him.
Either way, I’m not suggesting he’s useless or we should get rid. But he’s not even looking like scoring at the moment and in my opinion a slight change of the front 3 at this moment in time would benefit us.

So who would be your front three?

I’d have marquis in my front 3 usually, but for the last two games I’d play wilkes centrally with copps and sadlier.
Or I’d play Blair with sadlier and wilks and play copps in the middle with whiteman and Kane

[steve@dcfd]

Dickos

Actually, Spurs were not winning every week. Their record in that period was:

P13 W4 D6 L3.

Which is God awful form for them.

The principle is that if you have a proven goalscorer who is going through a bad patch, you stick with him.

Spurs record is actually better without Kane so maybe they should have dropped him.
Either way, I’m not suggesting he’s useless or we should get rid. But he’s not even looking like scoring at the moment and in my opinion a slight change of the front 3 at this moment in time would benefit us.

So who would be your front three?

I’d have marquis in my front 3 usually, but for the last two games I’d play wilkes centrally with copps and sadlier.
Or I’d play Blair with sadlier and wilks and play copps in the middle with whiteman and Kane

Wilks is one dimensional coming from the right and hitting the ball with his left. He can’t shoot with his right or head a ball. The problem I have Wilks is all about him and doesn’t pass. Sadlier is slightly better but cuts from the left and shoots with his right. But we are not the manager and he will stand or fall by his selection

[dickos1]

I think sadlier is very much two footed as he’s proven already this season.

[RedJ]

I’m not saying he’s a bad player,
And we would be lost without him. But he’s just not scoring it’s irrelevent that he scored all the goals in the first half of the season.
He hasn’t scored a goal in open play in 11 games, even players such as Kane would be given a rest with a run as bad as that.
I see no reason to not try a front three of copps, sadlier and wilkes

Like City rest Guero and play Jesus?

Who’s as good as Marquis at our club?

City do rest aguero, quite often

Whoooooooosh.

[RoversAlias]

Imagine we drop Marquis for these two crucial games though, and then we miss the Play Offs. McCann would probably be slaughtered for it, on here and elsewhere.

[Herbert Anchovy]

That’s called form - & for an out of form striker one goal ca. Propel him back to somewhere near his best

JM has lost his form and is not scoring goals ,
the team by all accounts are not working hard enough to get JM into goal scoring positions,
there are only 2 games left,
we need to win both games to be certain of a very undeserved play off place ,
repeat ,.....
repeat,.....
repeat......

Why would it be underserved if we get it?
It would have been earned over 46 matches.

Because we have been playing crap in too many games and been saved by the odd bit of fortune....

Do you actually watch the games when you go sha66y or do you just go along to have a pop at JM? Either way, you’re talking shite

[Herbert Anchovy]

Strange isn’t it he was a superstar in January judging by most of the comments on here. Many thought he was on his way for 2 million +
Now he is suddenly a villain because the goals have dried up.
Football supporters eh bloody rubbish.
I tell you what when he is banging the goals in next season for someone else there are going to be some red faces on here.
CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR.
Slagging off a player with a one in two goal scoring record is not a clever move imo.

Not slagging him off,
And I’m sure his form will return but no goals in 11 games is not helping us at all at this crucial time of the season
And a rest may do him and us some good

How does he start scoring again if he’s dropped from the team?

[Campsall rover]

Strange isn’t it he was a superstar in January judging by most of the comments on here. Many thought he was on his way for 2 million +
Now he is suddenly a villain because the goals have dried up.
Football supporters eh bloody rubbish.
I tell you what when he is banging the goals in next season for someone else there are going to be some red faces on here.
CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR.
Slagging off a player with a one in two goal scoring record is not a clever move imo.

Not slagging him off,
And I’m sure his form will return but no goals in 11 games is not helping us at all at this crucial time of the season
And a rest may do him and us some good

How does he start scoring again if he’s dropped from the team?

Exactly.
He might actually be everyone’s superstar again if he fires us into the Championship
YOU DO NOT DROP YOUR TOP SCORER AT THIS STAGE OF THE SEASON, IT WOULD BE MADNESS
If he wasn’t working hard then fair enough.
But he is. He has not been getting the service.
Play him and Wilks as a 2 up top with Copps or Sadlier behind in the hole and I am confident we will win the last 2 games.

[dickos1]

Of course he’s been getting the service, he missed two good chances on Tuesday evening, the chances he was putting away earlier in the season he just simply isn’t putting away now.
A game or two out may do him some good. And give the likes of sadlier and wilks the opportunity to step up

[jackthelad]

Of course he’s been getting the service, he missed two good chances on Tuesday evening, the chances he was putting away earlier in the season he just simply isn’t putting away now.
A game or two out may do him some good. And give the likes of sadlier and wilks the opportunity to step up

A game or two could be the end of our season and the last we see of JM.

[RoversAlias]

Of course he’s been getting the service, he missed two good chances on Tuesday evening, the chances he was putting away earlier in the season he just simply isn’t putting away now.
A game or two out may do him some good. And give the likes of sadlier and wilks the opportunity to step up

He has had two games out already in barren spell, one through suspension and one through the concussion protocol window. He isn't going to rediscover his goalscoring form sitting on the bench, nor is the team going to find it easy to rediscover the scoring knack playing without a centre forward.