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Thanks for the transparent and up to date info, and of course a huge thanks to our Directors for keeping th etarin rolling.Forgive my ignorance here. Isn't the Club Doncaster money simply other language for what is essentially input from the Directors (shares, loans etc). So, the calling a spade a spade version is that DRFC were running at a loss of £2.8m, something that is likely to be similar for the year ending 30th June 2019?How does that work out long term? eg all being the same, in 10 years without writing off debts we'll be in £30m debt?
Bristol, If you read the report again you'll see that we referenced the loan to equity conversion. The season before last the club wrote off about £12m of debt leaving DRFC pretty much debt free. An incredible amount of money for a club of our size and incredible generosity from our owners.
They exchanged debt (where one party owes another money) for equity (a share of ownership and potentially, share of profit). As there will never be any profit derived from Rovers (or Club Doncaster) then the equity has no value other than as a claim on the underlying assets, which given we do not actually own the stadium are pretty minimal. So they have effectively gifted the club a load of money, for a load of pointless equity because not only are we not a profitable concern and have few assets but the owners are I think something like 99pc owners of the currently issued share capital anyway. Short story - they have given us money for free.
Quote from: Chris Black come back on May 05, 2019, 11:32:41 amThey exchanged debt (where one party owes another money) for equity (a share of ownership and potentially, share of profit). As there will never be any profit derived from Rovers (or Club Doncaster) then the equity has no value other than as a claim on the underlying assets, which given we do not actually own the stadium are pretty minimal. So they have effectively gifted the club a load of money, for a load of pointless equity because not only are we not a profitable concern and have few assets but the owners are I think something like 99pc owners of the currently issued share capital anyway. Short story - they have given us money for free. Throwback to when Terry Bramall was only in it to line his own pocket (what the f**k was that all about) and only wanted to be part of the club so he could build a hotel/casino/rocket to the moon on car park 3.
Quote from: silent majority on May 04, 2019, 10:33:17 pmBristol, If you read the report again you'll see that we referenced the loan to equity conversion. The season before last the club wrote off about £12m of debt leaving DRFC pretty much debt free. An incredible amount of money for a club of our size and incredible generosity from our owners."equity conversion" - you lost me there!I may be the only one not immediately and thoroughly understanding all this... Is "equity conversion" where there is a debt and it is written off, or changed to shares?If that's the case, then we are only "sustainable" because directors (or Club Doncaster?) are effectively gifting us money. £2.5m a year is massive gifting, and obviously appreciated, but I can't see it as "sustainable" any more than someone who has a rich mama and dadda funding their lifestyle is sustainable - I'm assuming I'm not getting it, help me here Another question - approximately how do we rank amongst say other League 1 clubs in terms of the amount of debt we have year on year (albeit debt that is somehow magically wiped out).
Quote from: RedJ on May 05, 2019, 01:23:43 pmQuote from: Chris Black come back on May 05, 2019, 11:32:41 amThey exchanged debt (where one party owes another money) for equity (a share of ownership and potentially, share of profit). As there will never be any profit derived from Rovers (or Club Doncaster) then the equity has no value other than as a claim on the underlying assets, which given we do not actually own the stadium are pretty minimal. So they have effectively gifted the club a load of money, for a load of pointless equity because not only are we not a profitable concern and have few assets but the owners are I think something like 99pc owners of the currently issued share capital anyway. Short story - they have given us money for free. Throwback to when Terry Bramall was only in it to line his own pocket (what the f**k was that all about) and only wanted to be part of the club so he could build a hotel/casino/rocket to the moon on car park 3.Yes, there was one particular poster on here who argued vociferously and often that he knew exactly what TB's intentions were because of his 'insider knowledge'. According to him it was all about getting their hands on the land so they could exploit it to be able to make money. I'll not embarrass him by naming him, or his dad, although I'm seriously tempted. After all I became his target too, not just on here but he would attack me on that Facebook page too, the clown!