Sydney

[scawsby steve]

I'm doing this one specially for you Sydney, seeing as you so kindly kept us all so well informed as to the latest score on the recent Remain petition.

Brexit Party - 34%

Labour - 21%

Lib Dems - 12%

Have a nice day. x

[SydneyRover]

I'm doing this one specially for you Sydney, seeing as you so kindly kept us all so well informed as to the latest score on the recent Remain petition.

Brexit Party - 34%

Labour - 21%

Lib Dems - 12%

Have a nice day. x

Why thank you kind sir, I think what it shows is what a combined vote of lab + Lib Dem could do in a common cause but also shows that there is a huge part of society that will support a conman, Trump, Farage, Johnson all able to lie through their teeth without the merest pang of conscience and a willing possibly naive possibly ignorant public ready to support them, who knew.

[scawsby steve]

I'm doing this one specially for you Sydney, seeing as you so kindly kept us all so well informed as to the latest score on the recent Remain petition.

Brexit Party - 34%

Labour - 21%

Lib Dems - 12%

Have a nice day. x

Why thank you kind sir, I think what it shows is what a combined vote of lab + Lib Dem could do in a common cause but also shows that there is a huge part of society that will support a conman, Trump, Farage, Johnson all able to lie through their teeth without the merest pang of conscience and a willing possibly naive possibly ignorant public ready to support them, who knew.

What it also shows is that a lot of you on here have a penchant for backing losers.

Please don't tip Rovers to win at Charlton on Friday.

[SydneyRover]

I'm doing this one specially for you Sydney, seeing as you so kindly kept us all so well informed as to the latest score on the recent Remain petition.

Brexit Party - 34%

Labour - 21%

Lib Dems - 12%

Have a nice day. x

Why thank you kind sir, I think what it shows is what a combined vote of lab + Lib Dem could do in a common cause but also shows that there is a huge part of society that will support a conman, Trump, Farage, Johnson all able to lie through their teeth without the merest pang of conscience and a willing possibly naive possibly ignorant public ready to support them, who knew.

What it also shows is that a lot of you on here have a penchant for backing losers.

Please don't tip Rovers to win at Charlton on Friday.

Steve, if your statement means that you consider Trump, Farage and Johnson as winners I am more than happy to sit with the losers.

As an afterthought it's the winners that has given us Austrerity, the cashless welfare card, sold council homes and chaos as far as I can remember, go the winners aye?

[Bentley Bullet]

SS, it's not so bad having a penchant for backing losers anymore. You now just refuse to accept results if they don't go your way, and demand a replay.

[idler]

SS, it's not so bad having a penchant for backing losers anymore. You now just refuse to accept results if they don't go your way, and demand a replay.

BB, Farage stated that he wouldn't accept the result if he lost by a small margin though so that is no different.

[SydneyRover]

SS, it's not so bad having a penchant for backing losers anymore. You now just refuse to accept results if they don't go your way, and demand a replay.

What's the time limit between getting a mandate and carrying out the deed BB, is it indefinite, do you require a mandate to rework something that has already been dealt with, are you a winner or a loser if you promise to do something but it goes against you and you throw the toys out of the pram?

[Bentley Bullet]

SS, it's not so bad having a penchant for backing losers anymore. You now just refuse to accept results if they don't go your way, and demand a replay.

BB, Farage stated that he wouldn't accept the result if he lost by a small margin though so that is no different.

Idler. There is a difference between refusing to accept a result and fighting on for the cause. If Farage had lost and then refused to accept the result and enticed his supporters to demand an immediate revote, then he would have been wrong, and so would those supporters who agreed with him.

I'm absolutely, completely, totally and utterly sure that you would feel EXACTLY the same if the result had gone the other way.

[Bentley Bullet]

Of course, the big difference is that Farage wasn't, and still isn't in a position to sabotage the result like the present government is.

[BillyStubbsTears]

No. But he was and is in a position to syphon Kremlin money into our election campaigns.

Simply astonishing that no-one on the Leave side gives a shit about that. It is FAR bigger than the actual vote result.

[Bentley Bullet]

So you're latest excuse for stopping Brexit is because Farage syphoned Kremlin money?

What was your excuse before you knew that as an actual fact?

[SydneyRover]

So you're latest excuse for stopping Brexit is because Farage syphoned Kremlin money?

What was your excuse before you knew that as an actual fact?
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An excuse is not required BB it's just common sense.

[Bentley Bullet]

SS, it's not so bad having a penchant for backing losers anymore. You now just refuse to accept results if they don't go your way, and demand a replay.

BB, Farage stated that he wouldn't accept the result if he lost by a small margin though so that is no different.

No, he didn't. Farage said this.......
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36306681

[BillyStubbsTears]

I didn't have one BB. I was grimly resigned to accepting The Will of The People, because I believe in the democratic process.

I was of the assumption that we'd go for a sensible Norway type deal and, while it would be demonstrably worse than our current situation, I figured that was a sensible compromise.

The information that has come to light over the past two years has blown a hole straight through that, and anyone still talking about the sanctity of the 2016 democratic decision has either not followed what has emerged, or doesn't actually care about the real principles of democracy.

I'm not sure which of those two camps you are in.

[Bentley Bullet]

So you're latest excuse for stopping Brexit is because Farage syphoned Kremlin money?

What was your excuse before you knew that as an actual fact?
[/quote
An excuse is not required BB it's just common sense.

So you're latest excuse for stopping Brexit is because Farage syphoned Kremlin money?

What was your excuse before you knew that as an actual fact?
[/quote
An excuse is not required BB it's just common sense.

It doesn't say much for our satisfaction in being members of the EU when it leaves us with a majority of citizens with no common sense.

[Bentley Bullet]

I didn't have one BB. I was grimly resigned to accepting The Will of The People, because I believe in the democratic process.

I was of the assumption that we'd go for a sensible Norway type deal and, while it would be demonstrably worse than our current situation, I figured that was a sensible compromise.

The information that has come to light over the past two years has blown a hole straight through that, and anyone still talking about the sanctity of the 2016 democratic decision has either not followed what has emerged, or doesn't actually care about the real principles of democracy.

I'm not sure which of those two camps you are in.

BST. I'm of the camp that believes a democratic vote should be democratically carried out and not sabotaged because politicians are against the result. The fact that some of us support the politicians doing this is the end of democracy as we know it.

[BillyStubbsTears]

So one side having broken the law on a number of occasions, syphoned money from a hostile state which paid for campaigning, and campaigning passionately for a very soft Brexit, then flipping after the vote and calling a soft Brexit a betrayal?

That's all fine is it? We ignore all that and still stand by The Will of The People do we?

Strange understanding of democracy you have there.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Oh yeah. I forgot.

And the illegal microprofiling of social media users, to enable specific and unanswerable lies to be aimed directly at them. Paid for by illegal funding to Aggregate IQ and Cambridge Analytica (for which prominent members of the Leave campaign have been convicted of criminal activity).

None of that affects the sanctity of the 2016 vote? Because everybody's at it? Is that a correct reading of your opinion?

[Bentley Bullet]

If you could convince leavers that all your accusations are true and that the Remain side was squeaky clean then they might not ignore you.

[MachoMadness]

Why do you need an "excuse" to not want Russian money illegally influencing our democracy? There are some weird definitions of patriotism out there these days.

[Bentley Bullet]

I don't need an excuse, it's proof I need. Until I get proof it's just an excuse as far as I'm concerned.

[BillyStubbsTears]

BB

Aaaannnddd off we go again.

If Remain is not "squeaky clean" then the evidence of criminality bordering on Treason on the Leave side is pardonable.

As I say, your take is that if you also me in the face and I smash your head in with a pick axe handle, were both guilty of assault, therefore the score is even and we should ignore both actions.

Almost as if you're more interested in arguing the toss than REALLY being concerned for democracy. I'm sure you DON'T really think like that but it's how it comes across.

[BillyStubbsTears]

By the way BB, "I" can't convince anyone. All I can do is offer facts and evidence. If folk want to ignore that, that's their call.

But the evidence IS out there.

Vote Leave as an organisation, and a key staff member as an individual were convicted of breaking electoral law over campaign financing.

Arron Banks, the supposed chief funder of Leave.EU has been referred by the Electoral Commission to the National Crime Agency over evidence that he broke the law by syphoning money into the campaign from overseas based companies. And Banks just coincidentally had 13 meetings with the Russian Ambassador in the 12 months leading up to the 2016 vote. (He himself insisted he'd had 1 social lunch with the Ambassador, before e-mails were leaked showing how many unreported meetings he'd had.)

Farage DID repeatedly say that he wanted a Norway-style arrangement, before flipping after the vote to say that Norway was a betrayal and we needed to leave with No Deal.

Vote Leave DID pay Aggregate IQ to illegally microtarget voters and send them lies (£350m/week, EU allows polar bears to be culled, EU to ban kettles, 80m Turks are about to get the right to move in next to you) directly into people's social media feed, which, because that was done secretly, meant that no one on the other side knew about it or could address the lies.

All that is established fact.

If you want to ignore it and say that it doesn't matter because all sides do it (they don't) then that's between you and your conscience.

I can't make your mind up for you. All I can do is remind you of those established facts.

[Bentley Bullet]

If I hit you in the face and you smashed my head in with a pickaxe handle would the severety of your crime be reason enough not to mention my relatively innocuous provocation in court?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Like I say, you give every impression of just wanting an argument.

[Bentley Bullet]

Well stop being bloody wrong then.

[Axholme Lion]

Like I say, you give every impression of just wanting an argument.

Arrggghhhh! IRONY ALERT!

[Monkcaster_Rover]

2 bright chaps. Wonder how you'd get on over a pint of Stella*.

*tipple is up to you

[SydneyRover]

Lots of funny one -liners in here! only the joke's on us.

Was the “personal note of support” sent? We don’t know, but it’s a fascinating, revealing, and disturbing insight into the nature of the relationship between officials representing the Russian government and the main funder of the Leave campaign. A relationship that was, until now, partly covert and hidden. And which Banks conceded in parliament on Tuesday that he’d lied about for two years.

THIS WAS THE CAMPAIGN HEADED BY NIGEL FARAGE, whose close friend and ally, Steve Bannon, had been Trump’s campaign manager and who said, on Wednesday: “I have never received any Russian financial or political support...”

''So far, all that we can say for sure is that, for the last two years, Banks and Wigmore have lied about it. And, it’s this, perhaps, that raises the most critical question of all: why?''

A good question, if everything was above board and on the level, because after all is said and done it's not illegal to deal with russia is it, why the f**k would you lie unless you have something to hide?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jun/16/arron-banks-nigel-farage-leave-brexit-russia-connection

[idler]

Remember the saying judge a man by the company he keeps.