Would you consider...

[Boomstick]

Wouldn't have an issue in principle, but how do you get round the changing room issue?

What issue?

Potentially seeing lots of naked men, would be the obvious issue.

Whose 'obvious issue' is this? The female manager, the male players or just you?

Don't know what your problem is to be honest, think your trying to derail this thread into an argument, and I'm not going to bite and stoop to your level.
The issue i raised, is valid and plain to see.

Nobody else sees an issue, so it's not plain to see why you say there is one. I'm just trying to find out what it's based on instead of just you saying 'there's an issue' and not saying why.

And - as others have pointed out - do you think whatever the 'issue' is is still an 'issue' when a man manages a womens' team? Because to me it just looks like you wouldn't want a female managing a mens' team just because she's a woman.

Your a wum, and I'm not going to engage on this subject anymore with you.
The issue is both ways, Wether its a man in a female changing room, or a woman in a men's changing room.
Your trying to portray me as sexist, to get a rise out of me.
Unlucky, you'll have to try harder.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Wouldn't have an issue in principle, but how do you get round the changing room issue?

What issue?

Potentially seeing lots of naked men, would be the obvious issue.

Whose 'obvious issue' is this? The female manager, the male players or just you?

Don't know what your problem is to be honest, think your trying to derail this thread into an argument, and I'm not going to bite and stoop to your level.
The issue i raised, is valid and plain to see.

Nobody else sees an issue, so it's not plain to see why you say there is one. I'm just trying to find out what it's based on instead of just you saying 'there's an issue' and not saying why.

And - as others have pointed out - do you think whatever the 'issue' is is still an 'issue' when a man manages a womens' team? Because to me it just looks like you wouldn't want a female managing a mens' team just because she's a woman.

Well at least two replies show that not everyone is ok with it.
Retdon1 and Col from Donny wouldn’t want a female manager in men’s football.
Mr Wiggerly not reading the thread properly again.

I know what they said. Neither of them mentioned an unexplained nebulous 'issue' that I wanted to know more about. Looks like you weren't paying attention, and you have the nerve to try and make out I've not read the thread properly?

[Glyn_Wigley]

Wouldn't have an issue in principle, but how do you get round the changing room issue?

What issue?

Potentially seeing lots of naked men, would be the obvious issue.

Whose 'obvious issue' is this? The female manager, the male players or just you?

Don't know what your problem is to be honest, think your trying to derail this thread into an argument, and I'm not going to bite and stoop to your level.
The issue i raised, is valid and plain to see.

Nobody else sees an issue, so it's not plain to see why you say there is one. I'm just trying to find out what it's based on instead of just you saying 'there's an issue' and not saying why.

And - as others have pointed out - do you think whatever the 'issue' is is still an 'issue' when a man manages a womens' team? Because to me it just looks like you wouldn't want a female managing a mens' team just because she's a woman.

Your a wum, and I'm not going to engage on this subject anymore with you.
The issue is both ways, Wether its a man in a female changing room, or a woman in a men's changing room.
Your trying to portray me as sexist, to get a rise out of me.
Unlucky, you'll have to try harder.

If your 'issue' is just the same when it's a man managing a womens' team they don't seem to have an 'issue' with it at all considering there's so many men managing women, so what I can't understand is why you think they can't not have an 'issue' with it when it's the other way round. That's all. I'm not trying to portray you as sexist, you're doing that. I'm giving you the opportunity to not look like one.

[drfchound]

Wouldn't have an issue in principle, but how do you get round the changing room issue?

What issue?

Potentially seeing lots of naked men, would be the obvious issue.

Whose 'obvious issue' is this? The female manager, the male players or just you?

Don't know what your problem is to be honest, think your trying to derail this thread into an argument, and I'm not going to bite and stoop to your level.
The issue i raised, is valid and plain to see.

Nobody else sees an issue, so it's not plain to see why you say there is one. I'm just trying to find out what it's based on instead of just you saying 'there's an issue' and not saying why.

And - as others have pointed out - do you think whatever the 'issue' is is still an 'issue' when a man manages a womens' team? Because to me it just looks like you wouldn't want a female managing a mens' team just because she's a woman.

Well at least two replies show that not everyone is ok with it.
Retdon1 and Col from Donny wouldn’t want a female manager in men’s football.
Mr Wiggerly not reading the thread properly again.

I know what they said. Neither of them mentioned an unexplained nebulous 'issue' that I wanted to know more about. Looks like you weren't paying attention, and you have the nerve to try and make out I've not read the thread properly?

They didn’t have to say anything specific.
Anyway, Mr WUM, I will leave you to argue with yourself about this.

Bye.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Wouldn't have an issue in principle, but how do you get round the changing room issue?

What issue?

Potentially seeing lots of naked men, would be the obvious issue.

Whose 'obvious issue' is this? The female manager, the male players or just you?

Don't know what your problem is to be honest, think your trying to derail this thread into an argument, and I'm not going to bite and stoop to your level.
The issue i raised, is valid and plain to see.

Nobody else sees an issue, so it's not plain to see why you say there is one. I'm just trying to find out what it's based on instead of just you saying 'there's an issue' and not saying why.

And - as others have pointed out - do you think whatever the 'issue' is is still an 'issue' when a man manages a womens' team? Because to me it just looks like you wouldn't want a female managing a mens' team just because she's a woman.

Well at least two replies show that not everyone is ok with it.
Retdon1 and Col from Donny wouldn’t want a female manager in men’s football.
Mr Wiggerly not reading the thread properly again.

I know what they said. Neither of them mentioned an unexplained nebulous 'issue' that I wanted to know more about. Looks like you weren't paying attention, and you have the nerve to try and make out I've not read the thread properly?

They didn’t have to say anything specific.
Anyway, Mr WUM, I will leave you to argue with yourself about this.

Bye.

When someone says in effect 'I don't have an issue with it, but there's an issue with it' don't you think that needs some sort of explanation?

And yet again you call me a WUM when all I do is ask a question and don't get a straight answer.

[Glyn_Wigley]

A lot of this is assuming the female manager is straight, when there’s a possibility that 11 Dicks might not do it for her.

Hope Powell springs to mind there.

[sha66y]

Oh my lord whatever next....it’s not neadetholic to say NO!
I bet you lot make ya own cuppa forchristsake......

However I’m certainly not opposed to women boxers fighting at the men’s weight.... professionally of course....lol..

[anton123]

It’s a no from me just don’t think they would get the respect of the players as much as a male manager

[Canadian Rover]

If you wouldn't consider it on the basis of gender then you're sexist.

[WheatleyRover]

Signs of the end some might say

[KiwiRover]

Wouldn't have an issue with it. Why would anyone?

It's simple really, isn't it? If you'd have a problem with a manager because he's black, you're a racist. By definition. If you'd have a problem with a manager because she's a woman, you're sexist. Whether you think you are or not, and whatever means you use to try and justify your position.

That's just what those words mean. You can't argue any different, surely?

[Warwickshire Red]

No, it’s men’s football not women’s

It's not men's or women's football is it.  It's football.  On a Saturday do you go out the house and say I'm just off to watch the men's football.  Be back later.   No you say I'm going to watch the football.   What does it matter if managers are men, women, black, white, gay, straight etc.  If they are qualified for the job they are qualified for the job in whatever profession.   Would you go to the doctor's and ask to see a male doctor because your male or a female doctor because your female


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[selby]

  It is a bit of a non issue when you consider that the England women's team have only done well under the last two managers who happen to have been male.
  The question is, will the England women's team ever appoint a female manager again, or go for a high profile manager like Neville who is using them to try and get a start in men's football.

[Boomstick]

Wouldn't have an issue with it. Why would anyone?

It's simple really, isn't it? If you'd have a problem with a manager because he's black, you're a racist. By definition. If you'd have a problem with a manager because she's a woman, you're sexist. Whether you think you are or not, and whatever means you use to try and justify your position.

That's just what those words mean. You can't argue any different, surely?

There's a huge difference between being sexist, and not having a problem with it in principle, but recognising potential issues.

[Boomstick]

  It is a bit of a non issue when you consider that the England women's team have only done well under the last two managers who happen to have been male.
  The question is, will the England women's team ever appoint a female manager again, or go for a high profile manager like Neville who is using them to try and get a start in men's football.

Strange one.
In women's football it can be cunstrued as sexist by appointing a manager of the opposite sex.
But in men's football, it can also be cunstrued as sexist by NOT appointing a manager of the opposite sex.

I guess that's the society we live in now.

[drfchound]

No, it’s men’s football not women’s

It's not men's or women's football is it.  It's football.  On a Saturday do you go out the house and say I'm just off to watch the men's football.  Be back later.   No you say I'm going to watch the football.   What does it matter if managers are men, women, black, white, gay, straight etc.  If they are qualified for the job they are qualified for the job in whatever profession.   Would you go to the doctor's and ask to see a male doctor because your male or a female doctor because your female


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A cousin of mine worked as a receptionist at a doctors surgery.
Apparently plenty of people asked to see a doctor of their own gender.

[KiwiRover]

Wouldn't have an issue with it. Why would anyone?

It's simple really, isn't it? If you'd have a problem with a manager because he's black, you're a racist. By definition. If you'd have a problem with a manager because she's a woman, you're sexist. Whether you think you are or not, and whatever means you use to try and justify your position.

That's just what those words mean. You can't argue any different, surely?

There's a huge difference between being sexist, and not having a problem with it in principle, but recognising potential issues.

Hmmm...
Really?

History is full of people 'recognising potential issues' with the mixing of races. We now, rightly, see those people as racist bigots.

I don't see any potential issues here, including the dressing room thing, that don't boil down to 'but she's not the same as them'. Can you describe one that doesn't?

[KiwiRover]

No, it’s men’s football not women’s

It's not men's or women's football is it.  It's football.  On a Saturday do you go out the house and say I'm just off to watch the men's football.  Be back later.   No you say I'm going to watch the football.   What does it matter if managers are men, women, black, white, gay, straight etc.  If they are qualified for the job they are qualified for the job in whatever profession.   Would you go to the doctor's and ask to see a male doctor because your male or a female doctor because your female


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A cousin of mine worked as a receptionist at a doctors surgery.
Apparently plenty of people asked to see a doctor of their own gender.

My doctor retired recently. My surgery only had female doctor's at the moment. I was asked if that would be a problem.

When I said 'No. Do many people think it's a problem.' I was told, 'Yes, mostly older folks'.

Times, and the people in them, move on.

[selby]

  It is like all the premiership managers qualified with the top coaching badges, have all the best youth players and coaching facilities, and then don't play the youngsters because they don't trust them, and go out and buy ready made players.
  Now women's football is getting commercial, more and more teams at the top will have men as managers.
   It will come down to the people putting money in to the teams picking the managers they think will bring success.

[Bentley Bullet]

No, it’s men’s football not women’s

It's not men's or women's football is it.  It's football.  On a Saturday do you go out the house and say I'm just off to watch the men's football.  Be back later.   No you say I'm going to watch the football.   What does it matter if managers are men, women, black, white, gay, straight etc.  If they are qualified for the job they are qualified for the job in whatever profession.   Would you go to the doctor's and ask to see a male doctor because your male or a female doctor because your female


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A cousin of mine worked as a receptionist at a doctors surgery.
Apparently plenty of people asked to see a doctor of their own gender.

My doctor retired recently. My surgery only had female doctor's at the moment. I was asked if that would be a problem.

When I said 'No. Do many people think it's a problem.' I was told, 'Yes, mostly older folks'.

Times, and the people in them, move on.

I imagine that it's quite normal for someone to hope for a same-gender doctor in some circumstances. Take for instance a bloke with a genital problem. I'm sure he'd be even slightly more embarrassed dropping his pants and asking a female GP if she'd "got any Leeches for this".

[KiwiRover]

No, it’s men’s football not women’s

It's not men's or women's football is it.  It's football.  On a Saturday do you go out the house and say I'm just off to watch the men's football.  Be back later.   No you say I'm going to watch the football.   What does it matter if managers are men, women, black, white, gay, straight etc.  If they are qualified for the job they are qualified for the job in whatever profession.   Would you go to the doctor's and ask to see a male doctor because your male or a female doctor because your female


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A cousin of mine worked as a receptionist at a doctors surgery.
Apparently plenty of people asked to see a doctor of their own gender.

My doctor retired recently. My surgery only had female doctor's at the moment. I was asked if that would be a problem.

When I said 'No. Do many people think it's a problem.' I was told, 'Yes, mostly older folks'.

Times, and the people in them, move on.

I imagine that it's quite normal for someone to hope for a same-gender doctor in some circumstances. Take for instance a bloke with a genital problem. I'm sure he'd be even slightly more embarrassed dropping his pants and asking a female GP if she'd "got any Leeches for this".

Gotta say, if someone's gonna have to fiddle with my chopper, I'd rather let my new Serbian female doctor get to grips with it than the old male Kiwi codger who's just retired.

Each to their own, I guess.

[Bentley Bullet]

I think you're confusing a GP's surgery with a brothel.

[Boomstick]

Wouldn't have an issue with it. Why would anyone?

It's simple really, isn't it? If you'd have a problem with a manager because he's black, you're a racist. By definition. If you'd have a problem with a manager because she's a woman, you're sexist. Whether you think you are or not, and whatever means you use to try and justify your position.

That's just what those words mean. You can't argue any different, surely?

There's a huge difference between being sexist, and not having a problem with it in principle, but recognising potential issues.

Hmmm...
Really?

History is full of people 'recognising potential issues' with the mixing of races. We now, rightly, see those people as racist bigots.

I don't see any potential issues here, including the dressing room thing, that don't boil down to 'but she's not the same as them'. Can you describe one that doesn't?

Aye, multi culturalism is going swimmingly well, and has never envountered a single problem. 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♀️.
To be honest, I think your being pedantic in order to seek attention.
You see no potential issue in a testosterone filled changing room, with 11 semi naked/naked men strutting round a single female?
Yeah right....

[KiwiRover]

Wouldn't have an issue with it. Why would anyone?

It's simple really, isn't it? If you'd have a problem with a manager because he's black, you're a racist. By definition. If you'd have a problem with a manager because she's a woman, you're sexist. Whether you think you are or not, and whatever means you use to try and justify your position.

That's just what those words mean. You can't argue any different, surely?

There's a huge difference between being sexist, and not having a problem with it in principle, but recognising potential issues.

Hmmm...
Really?

History is full of people 'recognising potential issues' with the mixing of races. We now, rightly, see those people as racist bigots.

I don't see any potential issues here, including the dressing room thing, that don't boil down to 'but she's not the same as them'. Can you describe one that doesn't?

Aye, multi culturalism is going swimmingly well, and has never envountered a single problem. 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♀️.
To be honest, I think your being pedantic in order to seek attention.
You see no potential issue in a testosterone filled changing room, with 11 semi naked/naked men strutting round a single female?
Yeah right....

I'm not seeking attention. I'm pointing out that your views are somewhat outdated. Not sure I needed to though, you seem to be doing a decent job of that yourself.

Do football changing rooms not have doors? As pointed out before, it's not a problem when men manage women's teams. I reckon there's a not too problematic solution to be found.

[IDM]

I can’t imagine it being too difficult to agree a period of time for changing/showering where the staff of the other gender stay out of the room.?

How does it work with female physios.? I don’t think the issue of different sexes and changing rooms is particularly problematic..

[KiwiRover]

I can’t imagine it being too difficult to agree a period of time for changing/showering where the staff of the other gender stay out of the room.?

How does it work with female physios.? I don’t think the issue of different sexes and changing rooms is particularly problematic..

Exactly. It's a nonsense, spouted by by people holding onto outdated ideas of gender roles.

[Bristol Red Rover]

There's been so many powerful and effective female leaders in this world. All kinds of styles too not just the woman in a man's suit.
The main issue, currently, is the lack of woman with the necessary skills. That will change though there's always going to be a more obvious career path for men from players to manager.

How refreshing to be having such theoretical chat on here! Something must be going well?

[Boomstick]

That's fine, if your saying to avoid showers and changing areas.
Thankyou, you've now provided a solution to the potential issue I've raised.

Wasn't that easier than accusing people of being racist and sexist.

Jesus wept, what a snowflake kiwifruit

[Bentley Bullet]

When I was a kid the only roles womenfolk filled were bread rolls.

[IDM]

Signs of the end some might say

Please explain this.?