Alfie May's Expected Goals

[DonnyOsmond]

Just seen this on Twitter. From the shots he's making he should be getting around a similar number of goals per game as Marquis gets. 

Surely we can do better?

[IDM]

Yes we can do better, those colours in that chart do not do it any favours..

Alfie May hasn’t been our best scorer yet he continues to make good contributions.

[Bentley Bullet]

If you compare a player who in your mind can do no wrong, to a player who you think can do no right, your opinion is bound to be questionable.

[donny dave]

So what is the point of this thread, to have a go at a ROVERS Player.

[Chris Black come back]

He isn’t very good at finishing and that if anything appears to have got worse the longer he has been with us.

On the flip side, he works hard, presses, has a good attitude and at least gets in good positions.

He does this season need to prove that he has at least improved his finishing/goals ratio. At present for someone playing in front three his return is very poor.

[Bentley Bullet]

He was our joint third highest scorer last season!

[Canadian Rover]

Good squad player. Puts in a shift and is creative still making progress in the pro game. I'd like to see a chart on £ per goal.

[Draytonian III]

Dear oh dear, isn’t there pubs open where you live, next time you feel so negative either go for a pint or go on the Notts County forum, either way it should cheer you up for an hour or so .

[Retdon1]

Not good enough for league 1 level in my opinion. Can’t fault the lads work rate but ability wise, not at the level we need

[SouthStandFan]

Seems like a nice guy and gives his all but I agree he is not League 1 standard in my opinion

[Bentley Bullet]

He was our joint third highest scorer last season!

[SouthStandFan]

four of seven goals were in a one sided FA cup game against Chorley

this is a statistical anomaly, not a true representation of his average performance.

[5minstogo]

He's improving year on year. He's under contract so we get to see what a new manager thinks. Happy 26th birthday Alfie!

[Bentley Bullet]

four of seven goals were in a one sided FA cup game against Chorley

this is a statistical anomaly, not a true representation of his average performance.

You can look at his record as negatively as you want, although I find that sort of treatment from a Rovers fan about a Rovers player quite a glaring anomaly of loyalty.

A player whose starts/minutes on the pitch is limited to such 'trivial' games can only do his best in them, and as joint third top scorer May's 'best' was surely good enough.

[RoversAlias]

I think he's done well when played wide of the front three at times, look at the way he set us away for what was nearly the winning goal at Charlton. He has good movement, energy and presses superbly well. His only real flaw is his finishing, it can be excellent (goal v Blackpool in the cup for instance) but just isn't consistent enough. Let's hope that improves this season.

[PDX_Rover]

Alfie’s developed in my view. It can happen.

[phil old leake]

If only every player on the pitch had his energy and enthusiasm

[SouthStandFan]

four of seven goals were in a one sided FA cup game against Chorley

this is a statistical anomaly, not a true representation of his average performance.

You can look at his record as negatively as you want, although I find that sort of treatment from a Rovers fan about a Rovers player quite a glaring anomaly of loyalty.

A player whose starts/minutes on the pitch is limited to such 'trivial' games can only do his best in them, and as joint third top scorer May's 'best' was surely good enough.

Is it the norm on this forum then that whenever you dare to show anything less than high praise for a player or the club you are deemed disloyal or not a true fan.

It has happened two or three times to me and I've only made a handful or posts. Apparently because I don't rate Alfie May I'm disloyal, because I don't agree to double the cost of bronze membership I'm not willing to fund the club.

The club and players do not warrant blind loyalty. They are open to critique. Yes there has been massive leaps in where we are as a club in the last 10-20 years, but that doesn't mean it is perfect and I wish we could discuss it without being accused of not being a true fan.

[DonnyOsmond]

I didn't realise all we could post was positive stuff on here.

The discussion is about how he should really be averaging similar goals per game to Marquis.

[RobTheRover]

four of seven goals were in a one sided FA cup game against Chorley

this is a statistical anomaly, not a true representation of his average performance.

You can look at his record as negatively as you want, although I find that sort of treatment from a Rovers fan about a Rovers player quite a glaring anomaly of loyalty.

A player whose starts/minutes on the pitch is limited to such 'trivial' games can only do his best in them, and as joint third top scorer May's 'best' was surely good enough.

Is it the norm on this forum then that whenever you dare to show anything less than high praise for a player or the club you are deemed disloyal or not a true fan.

It has happened two or three times to me and I've only made a handful or posts. Apparently because I don't rate Alfie May I'm disloyal, because I don't agree to double the cost of bronze membership I'm not willing to fund the club.

The club and players do not warrant blind loyalty. They are open to critique. Yes there has been massive leaps in where we are as a club in the last 10-20 years, but that doesn't mean it is perfect and I wish we could discuss it without being accused of not being a true fan.

No, it's a forum. Things get debated. People will have other opinions to you.

[SouthStandFan]

four of seven goals were in a one sided FA cup game against Chorley

this is a statistical anomaly, not a true representation of his average performance.

You can look at his record as negatively as you want, although I find that sort of treatment from a Rovers fan about a Rovers player quite a glaring anomaly of loyalty.

A player whose starts/minutes on the pitch is limited to such 'trivial' games can only do his best in them, and as joint third top scorer May's 'best' was surely good enough.

Is it the norm on this forum then that whenever you dare to show anything less than high praise for a player or the club you are deemed disloyal or not a true fan.

It has happened two or three times to me and I've only made a handful or posts. Apparently because I don't rate Alfie May I'm disloyal, because I don't agree to double the cost of bronze membership I'm not willing to fund the club.

The club and players do not warrant blind loyalty. They are open to critique. Yes there has been massive leaps in where we are as a club in the last 10-20 years, but that doesn't mean it is perfect and I wish we could discuss it without being accused of not being a true fan.

No, it's a forum. Things get debated. People will have other opinions to you.

You're completely missing my point. I've tried to display a different opinion and the answer on more than one occassion hasn't been "I disagree, here's why....". It has been "you must not be a loyal rovers fan who wants the best for the club"


I thought it was a discussion forum not an obsession forum that's all I'm saying.

[sedwardsdrfc]

There is such thing as a good squad player and May is one of those he has a great attitude and does cause teams problems when he comes off the bench (ok a few more goals would be great). Players like him and Blair have a big impact on the squad as a whole even if they aren't in the team. It's easy to underestimate that value

[DonnyBazR0ver]

It doesn't matter a jot what we think anyway. I'm sure the manager will assess Alfie and make his own mind up. I'm sure for this reason, we'll see Alfie given a chance. That may also be true of Kiwomya and every other player in the squad.

Alfie does alot of good things on the pitch but just lacks a little on the conversion rate. If he can just put a few more away, we'll all be happy.

[DonnyOsmond]

It doesn't matter a jot what we think anyway. I'm sure the manager will assess Alfie and make his own mind up. I'm sure for this reason, we'll see Alfie given a chance. That may also be true of Kiwomya and every other player in the squad.

Alfie does alot of good things on the pitch but just lacks a little on the conversion rate. If he can just put a few more away, we'll all be happy.

Yeah if he got some shooting practise in he could be quality. He's clearly getting in the right positions and getting shots off from that xG, just needs to convert them.

[NickDRFC]

It doesn't matter a jot what we think anyway. I'm sure the manager will assess Alfie and make his own mind up. I'm sure for this reason, we'll see Alfie given a chance. That may also be true of Kiwomya and every other player in the squad.

Alfie does alot of good things on the pitch but just lacks a little on the conversion rate. If he can just put a few more away, we'll all be happy.

If it doesn’t matter what we think then wants the point in discussing any Rovers players or matters at all?!

If we were starting with Alfie come August I’d say we’d be unlikely to be in the play off mix again, but as others have said he’s a good option to bring off the bench with his energy and tenacity. Although his finishing is still weak I actually think other technical aspects of his game (passing, movement, first touch) have improved a decent amount since he first arrived.

[the vicar]

They should l

So what is the point of this thread, to have a go at a ROVERS Player.

they should leave Alfie alone the lad tries his best and in truth he does worry teams when he comes off the bench so just let him play and see what he can do

[IDM]

If Alfie May had been signed to be the club's leading striker then yes, the OP's argument would have more validity, or if we are expecting Alfie to take over the leading role assuming Marquis leaves this window.

Does anyone realistically expect we would have two strikers scoring at the rate Marquis has done? 

Alfie May brings other benefits to the game than scoring goals, he is similar to Marquis in his tenacity and workrate.  Don't forget May joined us from the 8th tier where he was prolific, so is he going to be the same at the 3rd tier? 

We need a squad where players can come on and affect the game.  We need players who can effectively be the main striker when others are rested such as in the Checkatrade or vs lower level teams in the cup.

We should judge May and any other player on the entirety of their contributions to the squad perhaps?

I also think the negative response to the OP may be due to that we haven't kicked a ball in anger in the new season yet - who's to say that May won't get 10-15 quality league 1 goals this time around??

[DonnyBazR0ver]

It doesn't matter a jot what we think anyway. I'm sure the manager will assess Alfie and make his own mind up. I'm sure for this reason, we'll see Alfie given a chance. That may also be true of Kiwomya and every other player in the squad.

Alfie does alot of good things on the pitch but just lacks a little on the conversion rate. If he can just put a few more away, we'll all be happy.

If it doesn’t matter what we think then wants the point in discussing any Rovers players or matters at all?!

If we were starting with Alfie come August I’d say we’d be unlikely to be in the play off mix again, but as others have said he’s a good option to bring off the bench with his energy and tenacity. Although his finishing is still weak I actually think other technical aspects of his game (passing, movement, first touch) have improved a decent amount since he first arrived.

Agree, it's when people start arguing amongst themselves to prove a point as fact rather than an opinion, often throwing insults around. It becomes more about them than the subject.

[drfchound]

four of seven goals were in a one sided FA cup game against Chorley

this is a statistical anomaly, not a true representation of his average performance.

All of his goals count in the seasons tally, irrespective of how and when they come.

In the women’s World Cup, Alex Morgan has scored seven so far for the USA.
Five of those came in a very one sided game against Thailand.
If she is still the leading scorer after the Final maybe they should give the Golden Boot to Ellen White because her goals were more evenly spread out.

[Danmckay456]

A player should work hard for the team that’s his job , And as a striker he will always be judged on goals a big season for Alfie next season could be make or break as a rovers player