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Bessie Red

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Re: Marquis
« Reply #270 on July 29, 2019, 06:50:15 pm by Bessie Red »
Brammall is an excellent businessman, there is no way he would let his most valued asset leave the club for free.

From a business point of view, that will depend on what value is placed on Marquis playing for us this season.

Although nothing is guaranteed in football, and there’s no guarantee the money we received from selling him we couldn’t re invest into someone who would score the same goals.
Letting his contract expire would be poor business whichever way you look at it

If we don’t sell and if he doesn’t sign a new contract with us, but we then get promoted or in the play offs with JM scoring loads, isn’t that as good as getting cash for him now.?

No, because how would we replace him with a similar player of his calibre if we allow him to leave on a free and we’re still in league one?
I'm sure we didn't pay much,if any for him when we first signed him. Surely we could do similar with another player should he leave on a free at the end of his contract.



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dickos1

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« Reply #271 on July 29, 2019, 06:50:19 pm by dickos1 »
I didn’t say that..
Brammall is an excellent businessman, there is no way he would let his most valued asset leave the club for free.

From a business point of view, that will depend on what value is placed on Marquis playing for us this season.

Although nothing is guaranteed in football, and there’s no guarantee the money we received from selling him we couldn’t re invest into someone who would score the same goals.
Letting his contract expire would be poor business whichever way you look at it

If we don’t sell and if he doesn’t sign a new contract with us, but we then get promoted or in the play offs with JM scoring loads, isn’t that as good as getting cash for him now.?

No, because how would we replace him with a similar player of his calibre if we allow him to leave on a free and we’re still in league one?

In all honesty if he stays o can’t see him not signing a new contract..

It’d just my opinion, but I would happily have a season like last, even if it means not getting money for him.



I agree with the first bit, I don’t think he will stay unless we can get him to sign a new contract.

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Re: Marquis
« Reply #272 on July 29, 2019, 06:50:50 pm by dickos1 »
I didn’t say that..

I know, I was replying to dearne valley

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Re: Marquis
« Reply #273 on July 29, 2019, 06:52:11 pm by IDM »
But also a prospective buying club would want him now, rather than waiting a year to get him for nowt.?

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« Reply #274 on July 29, 2019, 06:53:38 pm by IDM »
I didn’t say that..

I know, I was replying to dearne valley

Ok no worries..

I think it is a fair question though, or what’s better for DRFC - sell him now or have his services for another season.?

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« Reply #275 on July 29, 2019, 06:53:57 pm by dickos1 »
Brammall is an excellent businessman, there is no way he would let his most valued asset leave the club for free.

From a business point of view, that will depend on what value is placed on Marquis playing for us this season.

Although nothing is guaranteed in football, and there’s no guarantee the money we received from selling him we couldn’t re invest into someone who would score the same goals.
Letting his contract expire would be poor business whichever way you look at it

If we don’t sell and if he doesn’t sign a new contract with us, but we then get promoted or in the play offs with JM scoring loads, isn’t that as good as getting cash for him now.?

No, because how would we replace him with a similar player of his calibre if we allow him to leave on a free and we’re still in league one?
I'm sure we didn't pay much,if any for him when we first signed him. Surely we could do similar with another player should he leave on a free at the end of his contract.

Brammall is an excellent businessman, there is no way he would let his most valued asset leave the club for free.

From a business point of view, that will depend on what value is placed on Marquis playing for us this season.

Although nothing is guaranteed in football, and there’s no guarantee the money we received from selling him we couldn’t re invest into someone who would score the same goals.
Letting his contract expire would be poor business whichever way you look at it

If we don’t sell and if he doesn’t sign a new contract with us, but we then get promoted or in the play offs with JM scoring loads, isn’t that as good as getting cash for him now.?

No, because how would we replace him with a similar player of his calibre if we allow him to leave on a free and we’re still in league one?
I'm sure we didn't pay much,if any for him when we first signed him. Surely we could do similar with another player should he leave on a free at the end of his contract.

When we signed him though we weren’t trying to replace a guaranteed 20 goals. We would be next summer

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Re: Marquis
« Reply #276 on July 29, 2019, 06:54:50 pm by dickos1 »
But also a prospective buying club would want him now, rather than waiting a year to get him for nowt.?

If he’s available for nowt there would be a host of clubs fighting to sign him and his wage demands would increase dramatically.

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« Reply #277 on July 29, 2019, 07:06:12 pm by DearneValleyRover »
So it’s a fact then that this value goes down the closer you get to the end of said players contract

I didn’t say that either. The club has a figure they feel he is worth it’s the same figure as the one in January I’m really not sure which bit of that you are funding difficulty with

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Re: Marquis
« Reply #278 on July 29, 2019, 07:07:13 pm by DearneValleyRover »
But also a prospective buying club would want him now, rather than waiting a year to get him for nowt.?

If he’s available for nowt there would be a host of clubs fighting to sign him and his wage demands would increase dramatically.


How do you know they haven’t already?

drfchound

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« Reply #279 on July 29, 2019, 07:08:10 pm by drfchound »
If no clubs make a bid for him now, by signing a new improved contract he could be earning more money next season.
A year is a long time in the life of a footballer so why not enjoy the extra money while he is here.
A win win really.
He gets paid more and if he had yet another good season then clubs would still be interested in him a year on.

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« Reply #280 on July 29, 2019, 07:18:06 pm by dickos1 »
But also a prospective buying club would want him now, rather than waiting a year to get him for nowt.?

If he’s available for nowt there would be a host of clubs fighting to sign him and his wage demands would increase dramatically.


How do you know they haven’t already?

Because that’s what the club are telling us?

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« Reply #281 on July 29, 2019, 07:20:56 pm by dickos1 »
So it’s a fact then that this value goes down the closer you get to the end of said players contract

I didn’t say that either. The club has a figure they feel he is worth it’s the same figure as the one in January I’m really not sure which bit of that you are funding difficulty with

We rejected 2 million for him in January,
There’s no way someone would pay 2 million for him now with 10 months left on his contract.
As others have also stated his value automatically goes down as each week passes by.

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Re: Marquis
« Reply #282 on July 29, 2019, 07:26:28 pm by StocktonRover »
Surely January is when clubs who are desperate to avoid relegation or are scared of missing out on promotion make bids greater than they would have done at the start of the season because they need someone right then?

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« Reply #283 on July 29, 2019, 07:32:18 pm by dknward2 »
Johns goals could be the difference of a team staying in the championship and being relegated which is worth 6 million so asking for 2 million it not out of range.

If we keep him and he runs out his contract but his goals get us into the championship then he’s basically made the club 6 million.

The 2nd choice is an outside chance but is one that has potential

Bessie Red

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Re: Marquis
« Reply #284 on July 29, 2019, 07:37:43 pm by Bessie Red »
Brammall is an excellent businessman, there is no way he would let his most valued asset leave the club for free.

From a business point of view, that will depend on what value is placed on Marquis playing for us this season.

Although nothing is guaranteed in football, and there’s no guarantee the money we received from selling him we couldn’t re invest into someone who would score the same goals.
Letting his contract expire would be poor business whichever way you look at it

If we don’t sell and if he doesn’t sign a new contract with us, but we then get promoted or in the play offs with JM scoring loads, isn’t that as good as getting cash for him now.?

No, because how would we replace him with a similar player of his calibre if we allow him to leave on a free and we’re still in league one?
I'm sure we didn't pay much,if any for him when we first signed him. Surely we could do similar with another player should he leave on a free at the end of his contract.

Brammall is an excellent businessman, there is no way he would let his most valued asset leave the club for free.

From a business point of view, that will depend on what value is placed on Marquis playing for us this season.

Although nothing is guaranteed in football, and there’s no guarantee the money we received from selling him we couldn’t re invest into someone who would score the same goals.
Letting his contract expire would be poor business whichever way you look at it

If we don’t sell and if he doesn’t sign a new contract with us, but we then get promoted or in the play offs with JM scoring loads, isn’t that as good as getting cash for him now.?

No, because how would we replace him with a similar player of his calibre if we allow him to leave on a free and we’re still in league one?
I'm sure we didn't pay much,if any for him when we first signed him. Surely we could do similar with another player should he leave on a free at the end of his contract.

When we signed him though we weren’t trying to replace a guaranteed 20 goals. We would be next summer
It's a irrelevant if we are replacing a 20 goal a season player or a 100 goal a season player. What's to say that the replacement wouldn't score 30 goals a season. John wasn't exactly prolific when he signed for us was he.

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Re: Marquis
« Reply #285 on July 29, 2019, 07:52:43 pm by RoversAlias »
Brammall is an excellent businessman, there is no way he would let his most valued asset leave the club for free.

From a business point of view, that will depend on what value is placed on Marquis playing for us this season.

Although nothing is guaranteed in football, and there’s no guarantee the money we received from selling him we couldn’t re invest into someone who would score the same goals.
Letting his contract expire would be poor business whichever way you look at it

If we don’t sell and if he doesn’t sign a new contract with us, but we then get promoted or in the play offs with JM scoring loads, isn’t that as good as getting cash for him now.?

No, because how would we replace him with a similar player of his calibre if we allow him to leave on a free and we’re still in league one?
I'm sure we didn't pay much,if any for him when we first signed him. Surely we could do similar with another player should he leave on a free at the end of his contract.

Brammall is an excellent businessman, there is no way he would let his most valued asset leave the club for free.

From a business point of view, that will depend on what value is placed on Marquis playing for us this season.

Although nothing is guaranteed in football, and there’s no guarantee the money we received from selling him we couldn’t re invest into someone who would score the same goals.
Letting his contract expire would be poor business whichever way you look at it

If we don’t sell and if he doesn’t sign a new contract with us, but we then get promoted or in the play offs with JM scoring loads, isn’t that as good as getting cash for him now.?

No, because how would we replace him with a similar player of his calibre if we allow him to leave on a free and we’re still in league one?
I'm sure we didn't pay much,if any for him when we first signed him. Surely we could do similar with another player should he leave on a free at the end of his contract.

When we signed him though we weren’t trying to replace a guaranteed 20 goals. We would be next summer
It's a irrelevant if we are replacing a 20 goal a season player or a 100 goal a season player. What's to say that the replacement wouldn't score 30 goals a season. John wasn't exactly prolific when he signed for us was he.

Marquis is the exception to the rule though, 20+ goal strikers on free transfers are very rare.

I totally agree with Hound, if he doesn't find a suitable move now then he should sign a new deal, it pays him more money a week and we can get a top value fee for him if he performs well and then goes in January or next summer instead. Win-win for everyone.

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Re: Marquis
« Reply #286 on July 29, 2019, 07:58:48 pm by Bessie Red »
Brammall is an excellent businessman, there is no way he would let his most valued asset leave the club for free.

From a business point of view, that will depend on what value is placed on Marquis playing for us this season.

Although nothing is guaranteed in football, and there’s no guarantee the money we received from selling him we couldn’t re invest into someone who would score the same goals.
Letting his contract expire would be poor business whichever way you look at it

If we don’t sell and if he doesn’t sign a new contract with us, but we then get promoted or in the play offs with JM scoring loads, isn’t that as good as getting cash for him now.?

No, because how would we replace him with a similar player of his calibre if we allow him to leave on a free and we’re still in league one?
I'm sure we didn't pay much,if any for him when we first signed him. Surely we could do similar with another player should he leave on a free at the end of his contract.

Brammall is an excellent businessman, there is no way he would let his most valued asset leave the club for free.

From a business point of view, that will depend on what value is placed on Marquis playing for us this season.

Although nothing is guaranteed in football, and there’s no guarantee the money we received from selling him we couldn’t re invest into someone who would score the same goals.
Letting his contract expire would be poor business whichever way you look at it

If we don’t sell and if he doesn’t sign a new contract with us, but we then get promoted or in the play offs with JM scoring loads, isn’t that as good as getting cash for him now.?

No, because how would we replace him with a similar player of his calibre if we allow him to leave on a free and we’re still in league one?
I'm sure we didn't pay much,if any for him when we first signed him. Surely we could do similar with another player should he leave on a free at the end of his contract.

When we signed him though we weren’t trying to replace a guaranteed 20 goals. We would be next summer
It's a irrelevant if we are replacing a 20 goal a season player or a 100 goal a season player. What's to say that the replacement wouldn't score 30 goals a season. John wasn't exactly prolific when he signed for us was he.

Marquis is the exception to the rule though, 20+ goal strikers on free transfers are very rare.

I totally agree with Hound, if he doesn't find a suitable move now then he should sign a new deal, it pays him more money a week and we can get a top value fee for him if he performs well and then goes in January or next summer instead. Win-win for everyone.
That's my point though, John wasn't a 20 goal a season player when we signed him and look how he turned out!!

dickos1

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Re: Marquis
« Reply #287 on July 29, 2019, 08:12:05 pm by dickos1 »
Like he said though, that doesn’t happen very often and if we can 1.5 million for him we’re giving ourselves a much better chance of signing the type of striker we need

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« Reply #288 on July 29, 2019, 08:20:04 pm by DearneValleyRover »
So it’s a fact then that this value goes down the closer you get to the end of said players contract

I didn’t say that either. The club has a figure they feel he is worth it’s the same figure as the one in January I’m really not sure which bit of that you are funding difficulty with

We rejected 2 million for him in January,
There’s no way someone would pay 2 million for him now with 10 months left on his contract.
As others have also stated his value automatically goes down as each week passes by.

Was it £2m? It’s an easy one if the clubs value isn’t met he won’t be leaving, if he leaves then the value will have been met.

DearneValleyRover

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Re: Marquis
« Reply #289 on July 29, 2019, 08:21:51 pm by DearneValleyRover »
But also a prospective buying club would want him now, rather than waiting a year to get him for nowt.?

If he’s available for nowt there would be a host of clubs fighting to sign him and his wage demands would increase dramatically.


How do you know they haven’t already?

Because that’s what the club are telling us?

I was referring to what John thinks he’s worth because his wage demands to any club wanting him will be a factor and I’m sure they will be a lot higher than what we are paying him now.

dickos1

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« Reply #290 on July 29, 2019, 08:25:46 pm by dickos1 »
They will, but it’s common knowledge that a player joining a club on free gets greater wages because the club he is going to haven’t paid a transfer fee.

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« Reply #291 on July 29, 2019, 08:26:37 pm by dickos1 »
So it’s a fact then that this value goes down the closer you get to the end of said players contract

I didn’t say that either. The club has a figure they feel he is worth it’s the same figure as the one in January I’m really not sure which bit of that you are funding difficulty with

We rejected 2 million for him in January,
There’s no way someone would pay 2 million for him now with 10 months left on his contract.
As others have also stated his value automatically goes down as each week passes by.

Was it £2m? It’s an easy one if the clubs value isn’t met he won’t be leaving, if he leaves then the value will have been met.

That’s what we were told at the time so I can only assume it was 2 million yes

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« Reply #292 on July 29, 2019, 09:39:30 pm by Dare to dream! »
At tonights managers special Stendel said if he could take one player from another south yorkshire club it would be Marquis..

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« Reply #293 on July 29, 2019, 09:39:51 pm by PDX_Rover »
If he goes will it be undisclosed or about 500k, no way Pompey will pay more than that

Dick.

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« Reply #294 on July 29, 2019, 09:51:06 pm by dknward2 »
At tonights managers special Stendel said if he could take one player from another south yorkshire club it would be Marquis..

But he’s too old he added on after, too old at 27 wow.

Darren replied with I’ll take Sharp then

drfchound

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« Reply #295 on July 29, 2019, 09:54:48 pm by drfchound »
I have just had a message from a Forest fan saying that DRFC have a £1.5m bid accepted from NFFC for John.
To be confirmed in the next couple of days.
« Last Edit: July 29, 2019, 10:11:17 pm by drfchound »

Dare to dream!

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« Reply #296 on July 29, 2019, 10:05:27 pm by Dare to dream! »
Not true i don't think. Forest are trying to sign a striker from Wolves.

drfchound

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« Reply #297 on July 29, 2019, 10:09:35 pm by drfchound »
Could be wrong I suppose but my pal has good connections at Forest.

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Re: Marquis
« Reply #298 on July 29, 2019, 10:10:14 pm by DonnyBazR0ver »
Bit of a waste of petrol the trip to Portsmouth then!

drfchound

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« Reply #299 on July 29, 2019, 10:11:54 pm by drfchound »
Bit of a waste of petrol the trip to Portsmouth then!






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