Labour policies

[Bristol Red Rover]

What counts most is the poll for the party, not the leader.

For sure Corbyn's rating matter, it's one of those factors that effects the floaters when they're in the voting booth. He has the chance in this run up to the election to impress people. The relentless slurs on him will have had their effect but in a way the media has shot their load on that. I think his ratings will improve now, how much is down to him - being less shouty would help!

On the other hand, Johnson's rating will drop. Swinson is very vulnerable, could go either way, though she is still in the honeymoon period, like Johnson, and it's more than likely both of them will be losing that positive effect.

[SydneyRover]

Sorry BRR someone posted the exact opposite the other day

[GazLaz]

I’m no Corbyn fan but having just watched his conference speech, how anyone could vote for anyone but labour in the next GE I’ll never know.

If they had a different leader they would win at a canter.

It was an excellent speech, but here's the problem.

These figures show the worst poll ratings for each Leader of the Opposition for the last 40 years.

https://mobile.twitter.com/keiranpedley/status/1175007654533566464

Let's be brutally honest. He's not winning a majority in any election from that position. Full stop.

And before anyone from the Cult of Corbyn piles in to remind me about how superbly well he did when he didn't get a majority in 2017, he started off that campaign on -25% net satisfaction rating.

I'm sure it's the rest of us who are all wrong though.

I know that. They could have Sam Dingle up there saying the same thing and he would probably get a majority, Corbyn has little to no chance.

I don’t think it’s right personally but that’s people fore you.

Having said that, I spoke to a friend of mine today. Proper Tory. Went to an all boys nodding school, worth plenty, all the usual... he said to me he can’t vote for them and will be voting Labour. I would never have thought in a million years he would even consider that. Maybe it is not as clear as you, I and the polls think.

[drfcsteve]

Is it any coincidence that the only leader to have a positive net rating (Blair) was also the only Labour leader I can ever remember being supported by the right wing press?

That's not a dig at Blair, more a comment on how it seems that leaders, parties, and policies don't matter. What wins elections is who the Sun tell the ignorant to vote for.

[GazLaz]

Is it any coincidence that the only leader to have a positive net rating (Blair) was also the only Labour leader I can ever remember being supported by the right wing press?

That's not a dig at Blair, more a comment on how it seems that leaders, parties, and policies don't matter. What wins elections is who the Sun tell the ignorant to vote for.

Or do the Sun just back who they know will win?

[albie]

Corbyns speech key points;
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFQT8l4W4AIN5Ff.png

Green New Deal a big initiative, with a 2030 date.

[BillyStubbsTears]

All the big ideas are coming from Labour.

What does Johnson have?

An unbuildable bridge and a massive tax cut for the wealthiest.

All Governments run out of ideas after a while. The stress of governing militates against fresh thinking whilst opposition's have the opportunity to refresh their ideas.

Problem with the Tories is that they came to power with no f**king ideas in the first place.

They latched onto Austerity as an election winning gimmick, and what else did they have in the locker?

Big Society. Remember that? Meant f**k all.

March of the Makers? If you're too young to remember 2010, I shit you not - this was their Big Idea. It meant f**k all.

They did launch into a shambolic and massively expensive reorganisation of the NHS that ran out of control, has been slowly unpicked over the rest of the decade and was described by senior Tories as a disaster. So that was good.

And they cut open and infected a wound at the centre of society by the idiotic Referendum. Which they never planned to have in the first place.

So they came to power with no ideas. And now they've run out of the no ideas they originally had.

What a f**king disaster of a decade.

[bpoolrover]

All the big ideas are coming from Labour.

What does Johnson have?

An unbuildable bridge and a massive tax cut for the wealthiest.

All Governments run out of ideas after a while. The stress of governing militates against fresh thinking whilst opposition's have the opportunity to refresh their ideas.

Problem with the Tories is that they came to power with no f**king ideas in the first place.

They latched onto Austerity as an election winning gimmick, and what else did they have in the locker?

Big Society. Remember that? Meant f**k all.

March of the Makers? If you're too young to remember 2010, I shit you not - this was their Big Idea. It meant f**k all.

They did launch into a shambolic and massively expensive reorganisation of the NHS that ran out of control, has been slowly unpicked over the rest of the decade and was described by senior Tories as a disaster. So that was good.

And they cut open and infected a wound at the centre of society by the idiotic Referendum. Which they never planned to have in the first place.

So they came to power with no ideas. And now they've run out of the no ideas they originally had.

What a f**king disaster of a decade.

all your doing is preaching to yourself or others like minded Corbyn will never be trusted because of his foriegn policy you can say whatever about boris true or false and it makes no difference labour will never get in while Corbyn is in charge

[bpoolrover]

My opinions might and probably are wrong and I talk shit, but it’s my opinion, yourself glum Sydney and red dik are like trolls the minute someone has a different opinion you demand answers even if your right the way you go about things would make people disagree with you, I will leave this topic as I think it’s poor that I resort to call fellow rovers fans

[Bentley Bullet]

Stand firm pal and f**k 'em.

[SydneyRover]

Stand firm pal and f**k 'em.

They have wifi at Skeggy then?

[SydneyRover]

My opinions might and probably are wrong and I talk shit, but it’s my opinion, yourself glum Sydney and red dik are like trolls the minute someone has a different opinion you demand answers even if your right the way you go about things would make people disagree with you, I will leave this topic as I think it’s poor that I resort to call fellow rovers fans

Spot on again bp.

[albie]

Lets discuss the policies and their merits, and stop having digs at people who have a different opinion.

Food banks and Universal Credit to be removed;
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/labour-pledges-end-food-bank-20158183

I agree with both these objectives.
If you disagree, please say why?

[SydneyRover]

Both these two major parts of labour policy are admirable but promising to remove food banks will not be easy, it's almost saying labour will remove poverty. I for one would hope they are both achievable.

[RedJ]

My opinions might and probably are wrong and I talk shit, but it’s my opinion, yourself glum Sydney and red dik are like trolls the minute someone has a different opinion you demand answers even if your right the way you go about things would make people disagree with you, I will leave this topic as I think it’s poor that I resort to call fellow rovers fans

Hahaha red dik, how f**king mature.

[drfchound]

Both these two major parts of labour policy are admirable but promising to remove food banks will not be easy, it's almost saying labour will remove poverty. I for one would hope they are both achievable.

All parties promise the Earth when campaigning in a GE.
Delivering is the hard bit.
Most fail.

[albie]

I agree with that post, Hound.

But the journey has to start somewhere. You will never deliver on these things if you do not even try.

There is a full summary here, now the Conference is over:
https://labourlist.org/2019/09/policies-announced-and-motions-passed-at-labour-conference-2019/

[SydneyRover]

Agreed, that the tories have allowed the country to disintegrate to such a degree that families have to queue for hand-outs is deplorable, indefensible and should never be forgotten nor forgiven.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

The question on that is what is the cause. It doesnt feel to me that it should be too hard to get by but for some it genuinely is.

[albie]

Labour to announce the end of Universal Credit;
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/labour-confirm-theyll-scrap-universal-20318280?1

Anybody dealing with hardship this has caused will raise a cheer for this.
Still got to vote for it, fellas!

[drfchound]

Labour to announce the end of Universal Credit;
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/labour-confirm-theyll-scrap-universal-20318280?1

Anybody dealing with hardship this has caused will raise a cheer for this.
Still got to vote for it, fellas!

Albie, I have just put the telly on and a Labour MP (Andrew someone, I did not catch his surname) was being interviewed about this.
When the presenter asked him what they would do to replace it.......he couldn’t say.

[SydneyRover]

well one obvious answer is to go back to the previous model, what's your suggestion hound?

[wilts rover]

To be strictly accurate they are not scrapping the policy of having one benefit instead of several different ones.

What they are proposing are radical changes to the way it is administered, who is eligible, how people apply and what they might receive - so that there is almost nothing left of the current system.

It's very complex so impossible for me to summarise better than that - but there is a lot more detail here:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/27/labour-promises-to-overhaul-cruel-universal-credit-system

[drfchound]

well one obvious answer is to go back to the previous model, what's your suggestion hound?

My suggestion?
I don’t have one.
But then again I am not saying I will replace anything am I.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Hound.

It took the Tories 5 years to devise and implement the nasty, vicious, demeaning horror that is UC. You expect a Labour MP to be able to explain to you in 30 seconds how Labour will unpick it?

The point is, for now, there is an intention to replace it and a proposed budget. Details will follow. Slowly, I suspect.

[drfchound]

No BST, I don’t expect them to do anything because Labour can’t win with Jeremy in charge.
He can promise whatever he wants b3cayse he will never have to deliver.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I agree that Labour won't win a majority.

Saying Corbyn won't be PM is a whole different thing.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Actually, he might be PM this time next week...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-49863544

[drfchound]

Worryingly, he might be an interim PM if Boris is removed from his position.

[Glyn_Wigley]

It's not as worrying as Boris still being PM.