The Voice Of Reason

[Bentley Bullet]

OK, I'm back for a one-off. I know this might upset the handful of Remoaners that try to rule this forum with displays of insolence in order to keep the silent majority silent but I'll tell you what I think. The supreme court think they made the right decision to the delight of the bad loser Remoaners (surprise surprise), but do the majority of the public?

Of course, only time will tell, so all I can say going forward is General election please Jezza when you've plucked up enough courage.

[Not Now Kato]

Been on the sauce again BB? 

[IDM]

No point in calling a GE until no deal is off the table.  No one trusts BJ not to revert to no deal.

That’s a really simple premise and is relevant to all sides of the argument.

What makes you think you’re going to get a sensible debate using terms like bad loser, display of insolence and remoaner.?  Not exactly a voice of reason is it.

Are the majority of the population qualified in constitutional law, to say the court was wrong, or do we accept that they are the experts and therefore accept their judgement.?

And if you are going to start a thread with my old 606 forum username, ask first..?

[Bentley Bullet]

Been on the sauce again BB? 

NNK, you're a bitter and twisted Remoaner, but tomorrow I shall be sober and you will still be a bitter and twisted Remoaner.

[Bentley Bullet]

No point in calling a GE until no deal is off the table.  No one trusts BJ not to revert to no deal.

That’s a really simple premise and is relevant to all sides of the argument.

What makes you think you’re going to get a sensible debate using terms like bad loser, display of insolence and remoaner.?  Not exactly a voice of reason is it.

Are the majority of the population qualifies in constitutional law?

And if you are going to start a thread with my old 606 forum username, ask first..?

No point in calling a GE until no deal is off the table.  No one trusts BJ not to revert to no deal.

That’s a really simple premise and is relevant to all sides of the argument.

What makes you think you’re going to get a sensible debate using terms like bad loser, display of insolence and remoaner.?  Not exactly a voice of reason is it.

Are the majority of the population qualifies in constitutional law?

And if you are going to start a thread with my old 606 forum username, ask first..?

If that's your former username no wonder you changed it.

[IDM]

So you start a thread with the express purpose of abusing those who reply..

How very grown up.. hope the admins take note.

606 closed down, in case you had forgotten..

[Glyn_Wigley]

When the British Public know as much about the Law and Constitution as the Supreme Court, then I'll start to care what they think.

[Bentley Bullet]

IDM, do you honestly think that the handful of Remoaners on this forum haven't done nothing but start threads, and contribute to them with the express purpose of abusing Leave voters for the last three years? Has admin taken notes? They certainly haven't taken action. If admin wants to ban me fair enough, I won't ask for a revote.

[tommy toes]

The Supreme court were completely right in ruling as they did. They were nullifying a dangerous precedent that had far wider ramifications than Brexit.

Labour's stance on Brexit and any election seems sensible to me.
It's democratic which is more that can be said for the other two main parties.

Corbyn's speech today was magnificent but will get lost and ignored and he will continue to be seen as unelectable, which is unfortunately true at the moment; but who knows what will happen in an election campaign when people may want to listen to what Labour policies actually are.

I still think Labour needs to move back to the centre a bit under a new leader, in which case they'd hack up whenever the vote comes.
No chance of that currently though.

[Bentley Bullet]

But Tommy, you would think that you're a Remainer! You will think nothing of the precedence that has now been set while you celebrate what you think is an act of great democracy.

[Bentley Bullet]

When the British Public know as much about the Law and Constitution as the Supreme Court, then I'll start to care what they think.

So if you don't care what the public think why are you on this forum?

[tommy toes]

But Tommy, you would think that you're a Remainer! You will think nothing of the precedence that has now been set while you celebrate what you think is an act of great democracy.

Bentley..
The Supreme court have only ruled that a PM or anyone else can't silence parliament any time they feel like it because they don't agree with him or her about something.

For instance if Trump was PM and he wanted to nuke Iran he could get his way by proroguing parliament if they disagreed.
The Supreme Court has just stopped that happening.

[Glyn_Wigley]

When the British Public know as much about the Law and Constitution as the Supreme Court, then I'll start to care what they think.

So if you don't care what the public think why are you on this forum?

It gives me a good idea of how little you they know.

[Bentley Bullet]

But Tommy, you would think that you're a Remainer! You will think nothing of the precedence that has now been set while you celebrate what you think is an act of great democracy.

Bentley..
The Supreme court have only ruled that a PM or anyone else can't silence parliament any time they feel like it because they don't agree with him or her about something.

For instance if Trump was PM and he wanted to nuke Iran he could get his way by proroguing parliament if they disagreed.
The Supreme Court has just stopped that happening.

Tomy,I'm intrigued. What's Trump got to do with it?

[Bentley Bullet]

When the British Public know as much about the Law and Constitution as the Supreme Court, then I'll start to care what they think.

So if you don't care what the public think why are you on this forum?

It gives me a good idea of how little you they know.

Well, Mr Wiggerley, after the general election it might just show how little YOU  know!

[tommy toes]

Oh I see you're in wind up mode.
Goodnight old chap.
Up the Rovers!

[Bentley Bullet]

No Tommy, I'm certainly not winding you up, Heaven forbid. It was a genuine question about why Trump should be used in a situation of nuclear war as as an example of Boris Johnson wanting to carry out his country's choice to leave the EU?

[tommy toes]

No Tommy, I'm certainly not winding you up, Heaven forbid. It was a genuine question about why Trump should be used in a situation of nuclear war as as an example of Boris Johnson wanting to carry out his country's choice to leave the EU?

I've explained what the Supreme Court's decision is about. It stops an individual riding roughshod over our democratically elected parliament.

You seem to forget that Boris insisted that his proroguing parliament was nothing to do with Brexit but the need for a fresh Queen's Speech.

[Bentley Bullet]

And did the supreme court say that wasn't true?

[Glyn_Wigley]

No Tommy, I'm certainly not winding you up, Heaven forbid. It was a genuine question about why Trump should be used in a situation of nuclear war as as an example of Boris Johnson wanting to carry out his country's choice to leave the EU?

Boris said the prorogation was nothing to do with Brexit. As you're conflating the two in contradiction of what Boris said, you must think that it wasn't true regardless of what the Supreme Court said.

[Bentley Bullet]

Who's conflating the two!

[SydneyRover]

OK, I'm back for a one-off. I know this might upset the handful of Remoaners that try to rule this forum with displays of insolence in order to keep the silent majority silent but I'll tell you what I think. The supreme court think they made the right decision to the delight of the bad loser Remoaners (surprise surprise), but do the majority of the public?

Of course, only time will tell, so all I can say going forward is General election please Jezza when you've plucked up enough courage.

Did you go with Thomas Cook? just asking for a friend.

[Not Now Kato]

Been on the sauce again BB? 

NNK, you're a bitter and twisted Remoaner, but tomorrow I shall be sober and you will still be a bitter and twisted Remoaner.

Really?
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdHXJT_AGx4

[DonnyOsmond]

OK, I'm back for a one-off. I know this might upset the handful of Remoaners that try to rule this forum with displays of insolence in order to keep the silent majority silent but I'll tell you what I think. The supreme court think they made the right decision to the delight of the bad loser Remoaners (surprise surprise), but do the majority of the public?

Of course, only time will tell, so all I can say going forward is General election please Jezza when you've plucked up enough courage.

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/09/24/49-30-britons-agree-supreme-courts-ruling-prorogui

Yes.

[tommy toes]

And did the supreme court say that wasn't true?

No. They saw the bigger picture which is why the vote was 11-0.
I'd imagine some of those judges are committed Tories yet still voted emphatically against him.
Some things are bigger than party loyalties

[Copps is Magic]

Just to add to the weight of the answers that the OP has already been provided with.

I listened to Nigel Farage on LBC calling multiple times for Johnson to resign. I am sure part of that is opportunistic political strategising, but you could also tell in the tone of his voice/the conversation that he knows that he can't on the one hand campaign for greater national control of laws, and greater parliamentary sovereignty and then on the other ignore the rulings and determinations of those (democratic) institutions! Its a massive existential contradiction.

This is the conundrum leave means leave people simply do not want to address. It seems to me those who want to remain are fighting a political and institutional battle to do so. But those who think leave means leave, think that this means impunity in relation to all the things they are actually fighting for (national control of laws, national sovereignty)!

[SydneyRover]

There is no voice of reason in the leave camp, if there was we'd have heard it as they would have told us what it was (and they wouldn't have had to prorogue parliament) some of us may have well agreed but there you have it apart from a few ideas, quite legitimate on their own such as nationalising the railways but never big enough to compensate for the impending losses.

[IDM]

IDM, do you honestly think that the handful of Remoaners on this forum haven't done nothing but start threads, and contribute to them with the express purpose of abusing Leave voters for the last three years? Has admin taken notes? They certainly haven't taken action. If admin wants to ban me fair enough, I won't ask for a revote.

I’m sure the tone of those threads arguing against leaving or leaving with no deal are about the issues.

Read your OP, look at the language you used, you’re having a pop at the people more than the issues.

That’s not a voice of reason, is it.?

Anyway, there’s little point in debating with you as you never seem to accept that people can disagree, that you always have to be right..

[MachoMadness]

BB: I'm fed up with the sneering insults of Remainers.

Also BB: Bitter and twisted! Bad losers! Pathetic!

[Axholme Lion]

How ironic that the remainers are banging on about democracy but are happy to ignore the referendum result. Also they bottled a GE because they KNOW that the vast majority of the public would back Boris. It's nothing to do with democracy, it's all to do with trying every shabby trick in the book to get their own way and keep their noses in the trough.