The Voice Of Reason

[selby]

  According to the polls this morning interviewed on talkradio this morning  it has made no difference to the polls on Brexit, and the Conservative lead in the polls in a general election has gone up over 1% since yesterdays judgement results.

[BillyStubbsTears]

You need to change your radio station Selby.

As far as I can see,there have been  no polls on voting intention published after the SC verdict.

Either you're not listening properly or someone is deliberately lying to you.

[wing commander]

     Well one things for sure Billy.If Labour don't get a surge after the fiasco in the courts yesterday followed by Corbyns speech promising everybody all the Gold they can eat then they are in real trouble looking towards the general election..

[IDM]

How ironic that the remainers are banging on about democracy but are happy to ignore the referendum result. Also they bottled a GE because they KNOW that the vast majority of the public would back Boris. It's nothing to do with democracy, it's all to do with trying every shabby trick in the book to get their own way and keep their noses in the trough.

How ironic that leave means leave don’t care about no deal folks wanted the UK to take back control and sovereignty - to our parliament and to our courts - don’t like it when the Supreme Court goes against them (unanimously) and when the PM tries to bully his way over parliamentary process..

Also, not wanting no deal doesn’t mean not accepting the referendum result. Delivering Brexit would, but the issue at hand is securing a deal to achieve that.

As for the GE, the ONLY reason this hasn’t been voted for yet is to avoid a no deal Brexit.  Not to avoid Brexit, just avoid no deal.

Even Farage thinks the 31 Oct date will be extended and then have a GE, and for once I agree with him..

[BillyStubbsTears]

Yeah but...but...but...

Prorogation of Parliament was nothing to do with Brexit, so why are the Brexit Death Cult so upset about it?

It's almost as though all that matters is winning...

[Axholme Lion]

Yeah but...but...but...

Prorogation of Parliament was nothing to do with Brexit, so why are the Brexit Death Cult so upset about it?

It's almost as though all that matters is winning...

Don't make me laugh 'Brexit Death Cult', it's the remainiac zealots who will stop at nothing to get their own way. Unfortunately for you most of the rest of the country thinks otherwise in my experience of speaking to people.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I don't get what you are saying AL.

Was prorogation about Brexit or not?

[Axholme Lion]

I don't get what you are saying AL.

Was prorogation about Brexit or not?

Calling Brexiters a death cult. We only want what we voted for.

[selby]

 Billy, stop panicing when something is said on the radio that frightens you, I certainly will not change the station I listen to, it is not as slanted as the BBC and gives both sides equal air time.
   The gentleman on the programme was a collator of all polls, and was talking about information taken since yesterdays decision, if you think he was talking b******s that is up to you, it is only the same as I think about the reams of posts on the Brexit subject posted on here.

[Bentley Bullet]

OK, I'm back for a one-off. I know this might upset the handful of Remoaners that try to rule this forum with displays of insolence in order to keep the silent majority silent but I'll tell you what I think. The supreme court think they made the right decision to the delight of the bad loser Remoaners (surprise surprise), but do the majority of the public?

Of course, only time will tell, so all I can say going forward is General election please Jezza when you've plucked up enough courage.

Did you go with Thomas Cook? just asking for a friend.

Aye, and the bas**rds have left me stranded here in Skeggy.

[DonnyOsmond]

I don't get what you are saying AL.

Was prorogation about Brexit or not?

Calling Brexiters a death cult. We only want what we voted for.

Don't blame Remainers then. You should be blaming people like Jacob Rees-Mogg and Boris. They've voted done one deal and are taking their time with this one. It's their fault you're not getting what you're asking for.

[Glyn_Wigley]

BB: I'm fed up with the sneering insults of Remainers.

Also BB: Bitter and twisted! Bad losers! Pathetic!

"Is this a five minute argument or the full half-hour?"

[Axholme Lion]

I don't get what you are saying AL.

Was prorogation about Brexit or not?

Calling Brexiters a death cult. We only want what we voted for.

Don't blame Remainers then. You should be blaming people like Jacob Rees-Mogg and Boris. They've voted done one deal and are taking their time with this one. It's their fault you're not getting what you're asking for.

I don't want a deal.

[Bentley Bullet]

Of course, the Remainers are to blame because it's them that want us to stay in! It's now't to do with how we leave, they don't want to.

 If they wanted to leave they wouldn't call themselves Remainers!

[IDM]

I don't get what you are saying AL.

Was prorogation about Brexit or not?

Calling Brexiters a death cult. We only want what we voted for.

Don't blame Remainers then. You should be blaming people like Jacob Rees-Mogg and Boris. They've voted done one deal and are taking their time with this one. It's their fault you're not getting what you're asking for.

I don't want a deal.

Why not.? You’d prefer chaos to an orderly Brexit.?

[DonnyOsmond]

I don't get what you are saying AL.

Was prorogation about Brexit or not?

Calling Brexiters a death cult. We only want what we voted for.

Don't blame Remainers then. You should be blaming people like Jacob Rees-Mogg and Boris. They've voted done one deal and are taking their time with this one. It's their fault you're not getting what you're asking for.

I don't want a deal.

But then you're going against the will of the people as that's what was said, that they'd get a good deal for the country.

[IDM]

Of course, the Remainers are to blame because it's them that want us to stay in! It's now't to do with how we leave, they don't want to.

 If they wanted to leave they wouldn't call themselves Remainers!

Nothing to do with the hardline Brexiteers helping to vote down May’s deal as agreed with the EU, three times.?

[Bentley Bullet]

They voted against May's deal because they didn't think it was a good deal. NOT because they want to remain!

[IDM]

Precisely, and at the moment Parliament has decided it doesn’t want no deal and passed a law so Johnson has to ask for an extension if he cant agree a deal, because no deal isn’t a good deal either, it’s much worse..

Not because they don’t want to honour the referendum..

[Axholme Lion]

I don't get what you are saying AL.

Was prorogation about Brexit or not?

Calling Brexiters a death cult. We only want what we voted for.

Don't blame Remainers then. You should be blaming people like Jacob Rees-Mogg and Boris. They've voted done one deal and are taking their time with this one. It's their fault you're not getting what you're asking for.

I don't want a deal.

But then you're going against the will of the people as that's what was said, that they'd get a good deal for the country.

We managed well enough before joining the Common Market trading block which has morphed into a super state without anyone being asked.

[Bentley Bullet]

Precisely, and at the moment Parliament has decided it doesn’t want no deal and passed a law so Johnson has to ask for an extension if he cant agree a deal, because no deal isn’t a good deal either, it’s much worse..

Not because they don’t want to honour the referendum..

The question should be, do the Remainers in Parliament want to carry out the democratic vote to leave or are they using delay tactics in the hope that we remain?

[DonnyOsmond]

I don't get what you are saying AL.

Was prorogation about Brexit or not?

Calling Brexiters a death cult. We only want what we voted for.

Don't blame Remainers then. You should be blaming people like Jacob Rees-Mogg and Boris. They've voted done one deal and are taking their time with this one. It's their fault you're not getting what you're asking for.

I don't want a deal.

But then you're going against the will of the people as that's what was said, that they'd get a good deal for the country.

We managed well enough before joining the Common Market trading block which has morphed into a super state without anyone being asked.

But you're still going against the will of the people.

[IDM]

Precisely, and at the moment Parliament has decided it doesn’t want no deal and passed a law so Johnson has to ask for an extension if he cant agree a deal, because no deal isn’t a good deal either, it’s much worse..

Not because they don’t want to honour the referendum..

The question should be, do the Remainers in Parliament want to carry out the democratic vote to leave or are they using delay tactics in the hope that we remain?

It is a valid point BB and apparently the election promise from Lib Dems to revoke article 50.

Equally valid is the hardline Brexiteers in Parliament, including our own PM, want a no deal Brexit and seem happy to act unlawfully to do so..

Wasn’t it the same Parliament (under May) that invoked article 50 in the first place, therefore passing a law to respect the referendum result.?

That they cant agree on the terms of Brexit (yet) since, is another matter.

[Not Now Kato]

Yeah but...but...but...

Prorogation of Parliament was nothing to do with Brexit, so why are the Brexit Death Cult so upset about it?

It's almost as though all that matters is winning...

Don't make me laugh 'Brexit Death Cult', it's the remainiac zealots who will stop at nothing to get their own way. Unfortunately for you most of the rest of the country thinks otherwise in my experience of speaking to people.

Remind me, which side was the guy who killed Jo Cox on?

[Pancho Regan]

I find it depressing and rather sad that so much of the Brexit debate on here descends so quickly into petty bickering, mud-slinging, and personal insults.

Decent, sensible, reasoned discussion is, to a large extent, long gone.

This thread, and its opening post in particular, merely serves to perpetuate this sorry saga. 

[Bentley Bullet]

Pancho, how can you have a reasoned debate when the big difference between Leavers and Remainers regarding all the predicted doom and gloom is Leavers hope they're wrong, and Remainers hope they're right.

[IDM]

Surely the debate is how to avoid resultant doom and gloom, regardless of how each side voted.?

[Bentley Bullet]

If the decision is taken off us despite how we voted what is the point of voting?

[IDM]

If what we voted for can’t be delivered, then we get another choice perhaps? The Lib Dems would have us effectively voting leave or remain at a GE, unless Brexit is resolved before then or if another referendum is called.  You may not agree with that, but at least they are putting their cards on the table..

[Bentley Bullet]

What choice do we have if what we voted for can't be delivered? What difference would another leave vote make?